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both lucario and raikou are arguably too much for the tier, doesnt matter if 30% usage "isnt impressive for our mmo". Dug wasn't 30% usage but it wasn't healthy for OU, usage and WR mean very little when defining how good a mon is. Saying 30% usage and 55% WR isnt impressive when you claim raikou is too good for the tier yet is the same WR and lower usage doesnt add up Raikou - not many good ground types to check it because of scald/hp grass, CM sets can beat mowtom or shaymin too Luca - few very good checks (rotom, sab + hippo, maybe sigi or crobat)

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sent, ty bro!

bet im gmt-5 so hope theres a time we are both on lol

how much for calm roserade and calm flygon? (assuming u havent finished the deal w goku)

no bro don’t worry, the new raid mons can beat it! weak armor mandibuzz and speed boost scolipede are the best answers ever!

once raptor is gone i'm a +1 for this, but then i think togekiss would need to be closely evaluated

Ban. Too strong. You mention mandibuzz as a check...it isnt. +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 183-216 (84.3 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (dead after rocks). You mention mence as a check, its not. +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 244+ Def Salamence: 109-129 (54.2 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 244 HP / 244+ Def Salamence: 97-116 (48.2 - 57.7%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO If my math is right, you dont even need to check if the CC damage means you're faster. You just kill with an espeed. Any ghost type runs the risk of losing to any +1 mash boosts. People also forget mach punch for things that resist espeed (im looking at you kabutops). This is just the physical variant too. While it has a few weaknesses (ground moves, sableye, faster full health mons that can ohko) it's a bit too centralizing for the tier imo. oh and staraptor and togekiss should get suspected too.

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hmmmmm interesting

i mean...staring down a +2 lucario isn't fun LOL, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be

I definitely think Lucario is more of a problem on paper because of its ability to go phys or special, but early season we've already seen an uptick in crobat + sableye usage which together shut down most variants of it. Plus like GB mentioned there are a few NU mons that can handle it like rotom regular (super underrated)...I think it'll be less of a "broken" problem and more of a centralization issue if we see everyone spamming the same 3-4 mons to beat it

Oh and a “cancel move” button

plz dont give them ideas 😅

I agree, but I think it's important to point it out and keep an eye on (which you guys said you would in the future) when it has a few answers on paper