Havsha

Ign: Havsha Team: Africa

I dunno, we've been asking for HAs for years now, Id rather a few tours get thrown into chaos than postpone ha releases. Im not about to look at a gift horse in the mouth

Not sure if this is known, but currently Transform won't copy stat changes from your opponent, which I'm pretty sure it is meant to. (It does on showdown at least) e. At least with Imposter Ditto, haven't tested without imposter

I don't really think I need to add my 2 cents, the points I've raised have already been mentioned in this thread, but tbh just based on how many players seem to be supporting a serp ban, well that's more than enough to convince me, I'm by no means an expert, if the majority of the community believe its busted, its probably busted

Im still struggling to see how you all say we dont already have the tools to deal with Serp. (I know Legendaries and more HAs will give us better tools, but the ones we have aren't all too bad). Defensively we have the bats that can switch in, U-turn to break sub, or threaten with Brave Bird (Or if youre so scared of recoil, then theres always U-Turn, Aerial Ace, Sludge Bomb, etc), Chansey/Bliss/P2 with teleport, Togekiss (haven't calced yet, but from experience it usually works) and Unaware Clef (Which should always beat Serp 252 SpA Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 60-72 (29.7 - 35.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery.) (Clef's always been a pretty staple mon in later gens, yeah it doesnt have fairy typing yet, but still viable) Offensively there's Volc, Weavile, Chandelure, Toge, Scarf Mon, and probably a bunch more I've left out. Most of the arguments I hear against these answers are all related to the the glare set which has a few issues as far as im concerned. Firstly it is rng reliant, paras can let Serp beat its checks, but thats not a unique trait to Serp. Secondly it limits Serps movepool to two attacks (unless you want glare and 3 attacks, in which case para fishing isn't a viable option) if you go HP fire then dragons can beat Serp, and if you run Dragon Pulse then its walled by ferro and scizor. And I guess finally, a mon like Volc getting para'd isnt as game breaking as some of yall are saying, you can run heal bell support if you're that worried about it. Regarding the issue about how expensive Serp is to make, thats not a PvP balance issue, thats a economy balance issue that is creating unnecessary barrier to pvp, which is bad, but I dont know if its relevant to the debate, but maybe im wrong.

Sun in BW, or more so weather in general, was broken because it lasted the entire battle not just a set amount of turns. Not really compariable to MMO.

Couldn't bat slow U-turn (breaking sub) and go to a scarfer/offensive mon that forces Serp out? Para is annoying true, id need to see that getting one or two paras is enough to beat golbat since youre boosting, seeing as at +6 its still only a chance to 2hit bat +6 252 SpA Serperior Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Golbat: 153-181 (43.3 - 51.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO and again, slow u-turn can just break the sub and you can go to a scarfer/offesnive mon that forces Serp out this would lose to golbat tbh, serp would run out of leaf storms unless you get some unlucky paras. I dont know how to calc for metronome, but this should still lose unless you get lucky paras +6 252 SpA Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Golbat: 217-256 (61.4 - 72.5%) -- not a KO Really, the more I think about it the more I feel like golbat is an answer, slow uturn can break sub and get in a more advantageous mon to deal with serp, it can roost up to do so multiple times, and really the only way it loses vs serp is paras, but thats the case for any para'd mon vs any other non para'd mon. 0 Atk Golbat U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Serperior: 88-104 (30.2 - 35.7%) -- 25.5% chance to 3HKO (Uturn always breaks substitute)

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't golbat a solid check? Even defensive could probably switch in on leaf storm, gets access to uturn brave bird, to threaten it, can recover with Roost, and Heck even gets access to haze. Even without infiltrator it feels like a solid answer. +2 252 SpA Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Golbat: 108-128 (30.5 - 36.1%) -- 51% chance to 3HKO +2 252 SpA Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Golbat: 74-88 (20.9 - 24.8%) -- guaranteed 5HKO Serp suffers from 4mss, no one set can beat everything. Sub Seed means no glare and only 2 attacks, if it doesn't have dpulse then dragons can check it(calcs may be needed I'm lazy). If it's dpulse, but no hp fire then ferro walls it. If it's 3 attack then golbat, weezing and maybe bliss/chansey (I don't know the calcs) can deal with it. Also weavile should always be able to revenge with Icicle Spear.

IGN: Havsha Tier (s): Untiered, Randoms Battle Discord: havsha#8566

IGN: Havsha Country: South Africa (Africa) Tiers: OU, UU, NU Discord: havsha#8566 Africa!!!!!

I dont really buy into the whole "versatility" and "exerience" stuff when it comes to dubs/singles. Theyre seperate formats, like VGC and singles, or heck to give a real world analogy sevens rugby vs rugby. Yeah there are obviously inherent similarities, but theyre different sports. I dunno, I guess the big thing is that if we want the players to be versatile, we should expect the same from the gym leaders. Unless we're just gonna acknowledge that the gym leaders aren't necessarily the best of that team, in which case their choice to select dubs is definetly a choice to try cheese things/the other better players dont want to be gym leader

I agree that people who only play dubs will be at more of a disadvantage than people who only play single. In an ideal world there would be a singles and dubs version of this event, but we just dont have a large enough player base

The big distinction between tiers and formats isnt the meta, its the mechanics. The mechanics of OU are the same as UU and NU, but the mechanics of a singles battle is totally different from doubles. Whilst you can take your knowledge of OU mechanics to the lower tiers, its far less applicable to Dubs (and vice versa)

Eh, still kinda feels cheesy. Challenges based on versatility should probably stick to the gym trainers, but I'm really not too concerned, I don't want to be a negative Nancy or anything

Stage 0 is optional, taking that challenge on will reduce the cool down and count towards a single victory in Stage 1. After you complete Stage 1 you will need to complete Stage 2. In stage 2 you have to earn 2 victories vs 2 elite trainers in 2 different tiers. So, UT, or any other tier you chose in Stage 0/1 will not count towards Stage 2's tier requirement.

I do kind of feel like the gym leader should always give an option of two tiers. (Perhaps one HAS to be OU) since having only one option (dubs) kind of cheeses the system a little. A gym can put a really good dubs player as their leader and effectively limit the possible competition who can realistically take their badge. Since a lot of the people challenging will not have played dubs, meaning they'll have to breed up a team, learn the tier and then win against someone who's been playing dubs for years. Is it possible for new dubs players to win in this time? Sure, but it does seem like a no brainer that if a gym wants to defend their badge they should just make the gym leaders dubs only. I dunno, I get the need to keep the gym leader as the biggest challenge, and enforcing one tier like dubs is a very easy way to do that. But, it feels like a fairly cheesy way of doing it, I'd rather a gym badge be difficult to get because the gym leaders are the best the team has to offer, not because of the barrier of entry of a tier.

If we go bo3 I think it should be (Gym Leader's Choice/Loser of M1 Choice/Loser of M2 Choice). I believe this is more in line with smogon tours, and just seems fairer, whilst still giving the gym leader an intial "advantage"

Defog will only remove screens on your opponents side of the field (not your own) so when Defog is Magic bounced, your screens are removed and not theirs

Giving lucario a chance in uu was a mistake

I posted this a while back in a movement discussion thread, its more so about arena trap than duggy specifically, but since the two go hand in hand I figured thats fine. The examples I gave I think were more NU orientated since it was NU back then, but the logic and theory remains the same.

For the record I think dugtrio is banworthy in OU too, but this is a discussion about it in UU not OU.

A manager should behave just drafted no one and played themselves the entire season as a flex ?wasted opportunities

Honestly valid, no one can expect you to do that. Like dont get me wrong the amount of effort you've been putting in as host is really admirable, I dont want you to think Im ragging on ya, I just don't agree with the confirmation fee, since it just feels too much like a half-heated sign up fee for some people and not for others Yeah exactly! Its just like posting on the forums but in a specified discord channel for the victory screens in the discord!

A couple of seasons ago id agree, but for last few psls and wcs we've almost exclusively used discord for sharing screenshots of victories and arranging our battles that I dont think this is an issue anymore

So in 13 seasons theres been just 3 cases of people signing up for someone else who refuses to play. That's really not bad at all considering the amount of sign ups we get per season. I dont think we ought to be disuading people from signing up (even if they dont have a forum account, and for one reason or another wont make one) The issue of players refusing to play isnt event exclusive to other people signing up for them, theres so many times people sign up stating "I wont play for x manager" and stuff. The issue of "joke registrations" isnt fixed with a 25k confirmation fee, people sign up for themselves with no intentions of playing saying things like "dont buy me I'm too busy" or whatever. There's likely more joke sign ups from people signing themselves up than there are people signing up for other people.