Rigamorty

Certain hordes are 3, others are 5. Spots with 5s that come to mind are cinnabar mansion and it's basement, pattern bush or what ever that heracross spot is, and sky pillar. Try those places. Sweet scent attracts hordes. Every time you use sweet scent it takes 5 pp from every Pokémon in the party with the move. Leppa berries restore pp.

@Parke

Access to U-Turn/Bullet Punch and also Technician could definitely push it over the edge. I fully expect the thing to hit OU by usage.

I don't think they will either, I was talking about how they will be coming back to OU from Ubers where they currently sit.

I think Ferrothorn is without a doubt going to be the most popular new competitive pokemon. I'm sure there will also be hype for the return of the old Ubers, prepare for Gengar/Tyranitar/Salamence.

Please end my suffering

Alright you weren't wrong that was pretty good.

I would say no

These CC's mark the 1 year anniversary of CC. That's why the prizes are special.

is that the jaden smith thing? looked pretty awful. hopefully its awful enough to at least be funny.

TJ: I'm not gonna get a lap dance, I don't want to Stripper: any of you guys want a dance? Me: my friend tj does a few minutes later TJ: you're the best Pokémon teammate I could ever ask for

Yo @Bestfriends. Me, @TJXD and @DiDi were thinking of you today. Got a couple pictures in NYC that you'll like.

Uber legends are to be added the way Mewtwo and Rayquaza exist. The OP as fuck legendaries that will never be allowed in PvP and PvE will presumably never be permanently obtainable. As for the first thing, I imagine they kinda want to trickle HA's in slowly. First because it gives them more time to make them work, and secondly because it gives pvp players something to look forward to in updates. It's not exactly unheard of for this game to change aspects of PvP like that slowly over the course of time through multiple updates.

When I saw that you tagged me in a post immediately what came to mind was "it's going to be a picture involving hair" also you should've seen my sink after I shaved my face the other day, it basically looked like that

Did you ignore the rest of the post where I say that it's stupid to actually try to beat venu with milo because venu exists like mostly because it counters milo

252+ SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Venusaur: 96-114 (51.3 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO And Milotic has higher base speed, so in your "venusaur switches in on milotic" scenario, it could get hit by ice beam, then get KO'd by the next one because Milotic is faster. Granted this will pretty much never happen because lol offensive milotic, but saying "okay so a hard counter comes in on your thing, what do you do to regain momentum?" is a good question, and the answer lies in prediction, the rest of your team, and how much of your team your opponent has seen. One of the things about Venusaur is, the way its coverage works, most of the time you've got like a 2/3 chance of switching in on it correctly, because while say something like milo gets hit hard by giga drain, it's tickled by sludge bomb and hp fire. Same goes for switching in shit like Metagross, Flygon, Skarmory, Arcanine, etc kinda just went down usage and named things. But yeah, point being, when you're predicting a move from Venusaur, you've got the advantage on attacking moves, and that's not even regarding the fact that Venusaur is going to want to use Growth at some point. Also what in the world would venu be suspected for? Offensive Uber? Seems like a super far stretch given the fact that it's pretty slow for a sweeper, requires set up, and is outclassed by other set up sweepers in the tier when it comes to the "you're fucked if it sets up" factor.

To build on this, I have a politoed that I got for 11~ a few months back, and wag definitely isn't a 5m step up from toed for me since toed is the one thing in the species that actually looks good shiny. Sableye I've seen go for like 7 or less a lot because again it's easy to hunt in hordes wobbuffet i have no idea, and that's probably why you don't get offers for it because I doubt I'm the only one pikachu I put at like 5-6, but I haven't paid a lot of attention to pika lately so I could be off

I traded my last shiny duskull for something like 6m + 2 flaming skull masks, and I valued that trade at about 17m at the time, so that's kinda where I put duskull. Although I sold because I had expected it to drop in value because it's an easily huntable horde Pokémon. As for OT squirtle I never really see people giving a shit about that (except for lolnoopkiller who will pay high for Lvl 1 OT squirtle pokemon) and quite frankly I don't see a reason too. Those prizes happened for a long time so they're not exactly rare to find, and any OT other than my own or close friends don't mean shit to me. So all in all, I put duskull at 17ish and expecting like 3m+ extra just because OT squirtle seems silly to me

Hullo

Heart gold and soul silver are only used for improved graphics/follower sprites. There is no Johto region

To answer a few things to the best of my knowledge to clarify: Good Defog is probably going to be a thing Hidden Abilities will not initially be a thing (pretty common knowledge) No perma-weather at all (as is already the case with sand stream) We're not really trying to predict usage, just placing things according to power at the moment, since we clearly have no usage to go by and we aren't psychic. So the things you say seem like BL, its basically because this is a huge BL tier list in the regard that we have no usage. I think a lot of your "LMAO WHY IS THIS HERE???" comes from the fact that all of us on tier council are a lot more used to pokemmo than gen 5 (i personally barely touched gen 5 competitively) so shit like Medicham, Blaziken (although with a lack of infernape to 100% totally outclass it it looks not as ass), Milotic, etc just seem good to us because its hard to think they'll go from top tier OU pokemon in game right now to being not OU at all later on. Those are basically the kinds of things we wanted to hear from the community on the matter, so thanks. Also cloyster will (probably) get shell smash + skill link (as its not hidden ability, just a secondary) and that's fucking terrifying to me. EDIT: note that these things are just how we were told to consider them when building our lists, so they're presumably becoming a thing, but not guaranteed, so dont be mad if it doesn't all happen the way i said

@Darkshade is actually satan and decided we won't be getting it until Sinnoh becomes a thing. ;_;7

Kyu once said something like "we'd go straight to gen 7 if 3DS roms weren't such a mystery" so we can probably assume that yes they'll try to go onto gen 6-7+ in the future.

Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. OU UU NU

New approach is trying to balance mechanics for the sake of nothing being uber. We'll see how that goes. Also we've been given permission to share the tier lists we've made for community input. I'll post those in this thread when I get home from work if no one does it before then.