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(Here are the current rules about lotteries) ____________ As I'm frequently hosting lotteries, I have figured these rules are kinda "experimental". In my opinion, it is good to make some change on it, depending on staff vision of lotteries. Visions can be stuff like : 1- It's a good way to trade. 2- It should not be more used than direct selling or trading. 3- Its delays are problematic and should make it special/restrictive to host. 4- Can be failed (can't find enought customers) ? 5- Can be long to fill ? 6- Can be a scam ? 7- ... Some of these problematics are already related with measures you can find in the link above. But in my opinion, not all of them are treated the right way. Let me start by commenting the current rules : Players creating a lottery must first private message a Trade Corner Moderator before creating a thread. This is ok, but maybe there should be some filtering from moderators, judging the risk for the lottery to fail, according to the prize itself, and the price it is given. The player must mail the item/Pokemon being raffled to the Staff member who will keep it safe until all tickets are sold. This is a nice way to prevent scam. I'm totally supporting this measure, and happy moderators invest themselves in making lotteries possible in a safe way. Lottery threads must not be opened until the staff member has confirmed receipt of the prize. Same as above, can prevent some kind of "hold up" scam idk. But it's not exactely made the right way. This rule can be kept, but it should be completed with a rule making customers able to buy tickets only once the moderator himself gave the confirmation on holding the prize. (Which is currenly the case most of the time, but there are no rules about it). Once a lottery has been opened on the forums, it must be completed. This last rule is, in my opinion, the beggining of a nice rule, but it lacks too many details for it to be good. What happens if a lottery takes too long to find customers ? What is "too long" ? What if the host become inactive ? What if any customer want his money back at any moment ? After a certain duration ? What if the host want to change the lottery caracteristics after it started (price and/or number of tickets available) ? What about already paid tickets then ? And over than this, I've been doing stuff that is not mentionned at all, and may be good to give precision on, such as : Free lottery : Does it belong in trade corner ? How to determine time/ticket limit ? How to prevent alts ? Can the host put conditions on the ticket claiming ? What kind of conditions ? Varying price : Can the host put different prices for people who achived different kind of stuff ? What kind of achievement ? This can be overseen by a same rule for the changing ticket-price due to not filling. Free tickets in non-free lottery : Extreme version of varying prices, should it be allowed ? What kind of achievements can be asked for it ? _______________ All this must be regulated by precise rules in my opinion. Here are some I can suggest : (1) When the host private message the moderator, can be refused, according reasons such as : - Invaild prize Any prize that is not adapted to lotteries. Such as "lava cookie lottery", "1*31 field egg group breeder lottery". Lotteries are an investment (in time and effort) for both the host and the moderator, it must be reserved for valuable stuff. Also should disable lotteries for stuff like shiny eevee or highly limited items. Prevents high risks of failing lottery, give legitimity to the effort given by moderators on making lotteries possible. - Invalid price Total price of the tickets is way too high regarding the prize. Prevents high risks of failing lottery. - Any other reason that may give the lottery an high risk of failing. Any refusal will be directly discussed between the moderator and the host. (2) Thread must content : - The number of tickets available. - The prize, with every precisions that may affect its value. - The ticket price. - The time limit (if necessary). - The special rules (if some are allowed). - The ticket list, giving owners IGN as soon as the host can confirm they claimed their tickets. - The name of the moderator who confirmed the lottery, and holds the prize. - The mention "Wait [name of the moderator] confirmation before you can buy/claim any ticket.". So it goes with the rule : No ticket can be claimed before a moderator has confirmed the lottery validity on the thread. (3) If the lottery is not filled after 2 weeks, the moderator in charge will contact the host to : - Cancel the lottery : The host need to mail all the money he got from the lottery + 1k per customer to the moderator, so he can refund all customers before closing the thread, and mailing back the prize to the host. - Reduce the amount of tickets : Makes it more attractive, each ticket still cost the same, but gives more chance to win. He is then given one more week before being re-contacted if the lottery is still not filled. - Reduce the ticket price : Makes it more attractive, but harder to make than a ticket amount reducing. He needs to mail the difference between the last and new price, multiplied by the number of tickets already claimed, +1k per customer to the moderator, so he can refund all those who paid the first price. Then he is given one more week before being re-contacted if the lottery is still not filled. (Not making this refund would make people feared about buying tickets of recently opened lotteries, which increases the risk of failing) - Calling the draw : We put the hosts IGN on unclaimed tickets, and make the draw. (Of course it can favorise the host because he can end up having no loss and some profit, but in term of long term value, it obliges him to invest in tickets nobody wants, and will make him sometimes lose the prize for way less than he first predicted). The host will be contacted by forum mail, so the moderator will have first warned him to check it after two weeks if his lottery is still running. If the host gives no answer after 2 more weeks, then the lottery is stopped, and all remaining tickets are cut. The moderator makes the draw, taking in account only claimed tickets. (Exemple : 10 tickets lottery, only 5 and 8 are claimed, 5 becomes 1, 8 becomes 2, and the moderator draw between 1 and 2). (4) Customers can't ask their money back, only host or staff decision can make them refunded. (5) Any changing in ticket number, ticket price, or prize after the lottery started must be discussed between the host and the moderator, and approved by the moderator. Then, the moderator will announce it on the thread, and the host will edit the main post. As in rule (3) any reduction in ticket price must go along with refund of the difference. (Tickets must all give same winning probability regarding price.) (6) Free lotteries are allowed, an ending date must be precised. (7) Any special rule regarding catching achievement, creative achievement, storyline achievement, provable pvp achievement, is allowed to give the customer a discount on one, or all the tickets he wants to claim (depending on the rule). But it first needs to be approved by the moderator, and can be refused. Then, it needs to be clearly explained on the main post of the thread. ______________ Feel free to give your opinion, suggest more rules you think legit, or to modify any of the rules I suggest here. Thanks for reading.

I see no problem for trade evolve as long as it may just be a solution when no staff or friends are online. But comparing it to alts makes no sense. Alt is a way to make $. Using 2 PC is a way to be more efficient with any way to get $.

Bump, and please fix the forum, took me 10 try to edit 3 words.

but people who borrow are annoying

I keep thinking about stuff, but not for now sry dont wanna tease something that wont happen before months if only it happens

It's litteraly : finishing storyline put 2 moves on a smeargle, and level it. And if dangerous spot, level up one more mon. Doesnt need look at IVs/EVs. Compared to comp which is more like months for the first 6 comps. Cuz ye, comp preparation is also $ depending af while shiny hunting is not. Depending on how you hunt, you can also make money. I've never been hunting by 'sweetscent/run" before my slugma, always did pickup while leveling dragonites and stuff with expshare when I was a "begginer", this is what made me "rich". Oh and if you do the ev training yourself, theres a lot of chances you also have what's needed for shiny hunt. If you dont, then it takes more time farming $s. (Arent we going far off topic there ?^^')

At least it proves it's a lucky hatch

you keep assuming you talking about an old player who got easy ways to make himself prepared, which is wrong for the majority. You can shiny hunt whenever you want. It's just about how efficient you want it. Without a comp team, it's not about being efficient, you just cant play.

We use mods so you need minimal focus on screen. And btw, when I talk about how time consuming something can be (to prepare, and also to keep updated) you cant answer "lets say everything is already done, now it's not that time consuming"

Ye this is what I mean (part of it), allowing it will make some players do it for sure, because of how profitable it is, but it would have bad impact on the economy. From my point of view, people who shiny hunt by reflex while watching series or just being on the pc for other stuff have more "life" than those who do comp and theory all day tho. Just about point of view ?

Well in my opinion 2 PC shouldnt be allowed either^^' If it's clearly allowed (PC + Mobile cuz I dont have 2 PC I can play at the same time) I may be using it sometimes, cuz by its efficience (about hunting, $ farming, breeding, ...) we are encouraged to use it, but I will keep thinking that it is not really good for a global vision of the community/economy health

Imo it shouldnt be allowed. People will do it for sure because allowed or not it will be hard to control, but as I know it can only have bad repercutions for the community (only good reason to make it are individual)

Finally think im not gonna make it, sorry Im back ingame but i dont want to be as active as before (game can be soo time consuming) and this kind of project dont help saving time blame me :3

all my old spots getting filled more or less 3k5 since dewgong regarding leppas count, i dont really count since we all know shiny rate is 1/30k oh and whisper me if u got something to make it wurmple

If you don't care about the first character u created (the name), you can create another and select kanto as the starting region.

One of my oldest unachieved hunts

Well im pretty sure I already seen 5 seel, but ye, shouldnt matter much, and it's rare

Imo the fact you cant log more than 1 acc per PC is a clue about staff intentions. Btw, this is not clear enought yet to tell if u can get banned or not. Better have a moderator intervention, but imo, if u do it, you will first be warned, so you know you better not continue.

Im farming there often, I will try some more later cuz I also do -not surfing- sometimes. Will tell u if surfing is only 8+ as soon as i can Edit : Doesnt happen very often tho

As I know the dewgong spot is not 8min but 5, still, better specie than tentacool for same efficiency

Sounds like u live in a terrible world.

Allow a 1m debt makes no difference with giving 1m to every players. Even in real life, debt are controlled by experts, and here, in pokemmo, even if you have no bad intentions, nothing will constraint u to log in if u have debts to pay. As I know (and maybe I'm wrong but I try to get as informed as possible about economic mechanics) such a thing would just lower the value of everything (which means lowering the value of pokeyens). Not even talking about multiaccount abuse.

Still worth to mention, I always ev using leppas, i dont think im the only one, pc dont change anything for many players^^ But nice to get to know about unova spots

I'd recommand sevii's beautiflys hordes for spatk, gives 15 instead of 10 for x5roselias

Please add your IGN while taking tickets (normal way or by posting a picture), not everybody have same forum/ingame name Thanks for the awesome drawings ;) 192 tickets left