Ryukaai Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Why won't they hire a few additional helpers? It can't be that expensive right? Pushing back events is such a bad look and annoys players. I'm sure pokemmo brings in enough money to afford a few dedicated part time coders whose sole purpose is to get stuff out on time. Eventsoon™ HallifaxGrey, iankpoxdloll, JaviFX and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
Popular Post Kyu Posted May 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Ryukaai said: Why won't they hire a few additional helpers? It can't be that expensive right? This game is not structured in a way where we can divvy out work into hyperspecific chunks. All of the developers here wear all the hats they can, because that's what the project has needed up until this point. It allows us to run on a very lean team which is very good at producing results. If we were looking to invest into more software developers for the game, I'd guess it'd take around a year to train someone to fully understand the project like I do. It's pretty big, at over a million lines of code and 40 subprojects atm. And we're kind of picky, in that if we're looking to hire someone to work on the actual product, we don't want a revolving door of useless year 1 CS students touching the codebase with their grubby messy hands. If we did find someone who's both competent and underemployed, I'm pretty sure it'd cost at least $100 if we want them to show up every day. So yeah, it's pretty expensive. 3 hours ago, Ryukaai said: Pushing back events is such a bad look and annoys players. I'm sure pokemmo brings in enough money to afford a few dedicated part time coders whose sole purpose is to get stuff out on time. I'm sure it does. It annoys me too, I'm tired of working on this patch. But throwing more people at the problem doesn't actually solve this particular situation. When it comes to development, usually goals and their problems can be categorized in one of two ways: A goal with an objectively correct solution. Like: "Make the skills work like they do in X game." "Make the game run on iOS." "Make an animation which does X" A goal which is open ended. A vague idea, like "Make an event which commemorates our 10th anniversary, somehow." For #1, you can absolutely throw more cooks into your kitchen to get the thing done. It's easy, there's a correct way for things to occur, and if you don't do it that way, you failed to do the thing. We do occasionally contract people for this type of work, especially if it falls out of our areas of expertise. For #2 though, we have found that more cooks does not make the creative process better. They can do more things at once, provided that their problems can be categorized as #1, but that's not really the issue when it comes to events. The bottleneck is designing and iterating on whatever mechanics we come up with, and that role is restricted to 1 or 2 (extremely experienced) people out of necessity. Otherwise you get the problem of too many cooks in a kitchen all trying to make the same pot of soup, and nobody is happy with how it tastes. I've yet to find a way to improve that, so the real lesson is what we came up with 10 years ago, and what I should have done in the first place- "just don't give ETAs lol" Zekeen, Branaso, ZoroarkH and 45 others 28 3 10 3 1 1 2 Link to comment
katto Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1小时前,Kyu 说: Otherwise you get the problem of too many cooks in a kitchen all trying to make the same pot of soup, and nobody is happy with how it tastes. Indeed, the 10th anniversary event may be so special that it is difficult to have a "fantastic" event idea, which is the reason why the developers have been postponing the event. There is a Chinese proverb that says "the melon that is twisted is not sweet", so expect to leave more time for the developers to bring us the best anniversary activities. TanadrielLucky, Zeysuke and frzmin 2 1 Link to comment
MegaBladers Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I am sure that they are giving the maximum effort for this project. people are a bit rushed, but sometimes delay and quality are better than speed and generic, people are really excited and that's why they are impatient. on the other hand... am I the only one who would be fascinated to know the lore of PokeMMO Epsilon? @kyu TanadrielLucky, Zeysuke and RhExX 1 1 1 Link to comment
DragoTamer Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 18 hours ago, Ryukaai said: Why won't they hire a few additional helpers? It can't be that expensive right? Pushing back events is such a bad look and annoys players. I'm sure pokemmo brings in enough money to afford a few dedicated part time coders whose sole purpose is to get stuff out on time. Eventsoon™ Pushing back the event isn't a bad look. That's selfish. The proper perspective is that devs care enough to keep working on the big and little details to deliver a fantastic 10th anniversary event. As you play through PokeMMO, notice all the little and big things that they've worked on to bring a seamless and unique experience. I would rather wait an extra month for an event I'm going to absolutely enjoy than receive an event tomorrow that is just blah. Additionally, as regular players, it's easy to lose sight of the complexity of the game and get annoyed at little inconveniences. I'm actually happy that those "little annoyances" are even there at all because it signifies we don't have any serious qualms. Kyu provided a thorough answer above to further elaborate on the back-breaking work they do. BrandonBraune, epicdavenport, LaMikotoMisaka and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Ryukaai Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, DragoTamer said: Pushing back the event isn't a bad look. That's selfish. The proper perspective is that devs care enough to keep working on the big and little details to deliver a fantastic 10th anniversary event. As you play through PokeMMO, notice all the little and big things that they've worked on to bring a seamless and unique experience. I would rather wait an extra month for an event I'm going to absolutely enjoy than receive an event tomorrow that is just blah. Additionally, as regular players, it's easy to lose sight of the complexity of the game and get annoyed at little inconveniences. I'm actually happy that those "little annoyances" are even there at all because it signifies we don't have any serious qualms. Kyu provided a thorough answer above to further elaborate on the back-breaking work they do. I understand that hard work is put into the game and by no means am I disregarding that. However, I stick to my assertion that pushing back events is a bad look. It's akin to when a concert gets pushed back...yes the artist worked hard on the music but does that change the way you feel about postponement?...as a player I have the right to be disappointed at missed ETAs. Yes I would also rather wait longer for a better event but thats irrelevant to missing a deadline. I think the dev team should stick to their original rule of not giving ETAs as it prevents disappointment when one is missed. If you were waiting on a bus and it didn't come at its scheduled time you'd be upset. Even if you had no where to go and had all the time in the world to wait...the fact that you were expecting it to happen only to be told it's delayed would annoy you. Edited May 11, 2022 by Ryukaai iankpoxdloll, Onraider and DaksBoy 3 Link to comment
IsraelCastro Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) I'm tired of waiting for the hidden ability, I'm a software developer with some years of experience, I have no idea what programming language the emulator is made in but if it's to bring out the hidden ability I volunteer to help the implementation, no I need a payment since I earn well, and I could work a few hours a day, but if that helps them out, I do it. If you want to contact me Edited May 11, 2022 by IsraelCastro public information email Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 When you have too many cooks in your kitchen and nothing tastes like you want it to - it is time to hire a chef ezzzz PrinceDaisuke, iankpoxdloll, Poufilou and 2 others 1 1 1 2 Link to comment
ProfessorBlue Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 xD I think this is the last time they are giving us an ETA for something, the amount of people getting mad and posting about the same shit is insane. nethatar, Ryukaai and Hermetic 3 Link to comment
MMOcritic Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 They stuck to their beliefs to not give johto an ETA, and people are still giving them shit for that. Seriously, it's hard for the Devs to win. Link to comment
BrandonBraune Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 5:13, Ryukaai said: ¿Por qué no contratarán a algunos ayudantes adicionales? No puede ser tan caro verdad? Retrasar los eventos se ve muy mal y molesta a los jugadores. Estoy seguro de que pokemmo genera suficiente dinero para pagar algunos codificadores dedicados a tiempo parcial cuyo único propósito es sacar las cosas a tiempo. Eventoon A wild Kyu appears! - a wild kyu used Soon! is very Effective! a critical hit! Link to comment
iankpoxdloll Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 5/10/2022 at 3:47 PM, Kyu said: "just don't give ETAs lol" Sorry but... even if you don't give an ETA, or announce something, people will just get demotivated and stop playing, like it's happening with a lot of players, appart from the fact that player retention is pretty bad in this game. . . Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, iankpoxdloll said: Sorry but... even if you don't give an ETA, or announce something, people will just get demotivated and stop playing, like it's happening with a lot of players, appart from the fact that player retention is pretty bad in this game. . . I've quit the game and come back 3 or 4 times. This doesn't have to be the only thing people are interested in or play. It's perfectly fine and normal to leave during droughts and return when content drops. iankpoxdloll and Staggiie 1 1 Link to comment
SoulRex Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I'm confused on why you can't give ETA and fulfill with the dates. It's like you don't even know what you are doing. Link to comment
McTermi Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 5/12/2022 at 11:44 AM, SweeTforU said: When you have too many cooks in your kitchen and nothing tastes like you want it to - it is time to hire a chef ezzzz We need Gordon Ramsey Link to comment
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