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Optimal PvE Meowth Summary

 

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Pokémon: Meowth

Nature: Brave

Level: 100

Ability: Pickup

Items: Choice Band or Choice Specs

Moves: Pay Day, Thief, Hyper Voice, Fake Out

IVs: Ideally 6x31. For more practical cost-saving purposes, 3x31 with Attack, Special Attack, Speed

EVs: 38 HP, 220 Attack, 252 Special Attack

 

 

Nature explanation

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  • Meowth is fast so it was better to have a speed reduction rather than Defense or Special Defense due to any resulting damage. Special Attack is needed for those that would like to run Hyper Voice and Icy Wind.

 

Moveset explanation

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  • Pay Day is meant for accumulating additional pokeyen while also utilizing pickup.
  • Thief/Covet is mean to steal an item being held by another Pokémon
  • Hyper Voice is meant to take hordes.

 

IVs explanation

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  • I run 6x31 because that is my preference.
  • For practical purposes to save you pokeyen, you can do 3x31 in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed. You can also increase the HP and Defense IVs if you are worried about the negative defense nature.

 

EVs explanation

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  • 220 attack EVs are the minimum to one shot a smeargle in artisan cave that is level 50, 2x31, and has a defense boosted nature. Boosting it to 252 EVs didn’t make a big enough difference against other Pokémon that weren’t taken out in one shot with 220 EVs. It was more worthwhile to put it into HP/Defense/Special Defense

 

Pokémon commonly attacked with thief

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  • Luvdisc/shellder at undella Bay/Town (Super Rod)
  • Staryu at Route 13 in Unova
  • Clamperl at route 4 in Unova (Two shot at levels 54 and 55)
  • Luvdisc/corsola at ever grande (lower section) (super rod) (Two shot for Corsola)
  • Meowth
  • Geodude/graveler
  • Paras/parasect
  • Absol

 

Pokémon commonly attacked with payday

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  • Remoraid at undella Bay/Town
  • Smeargle at artisan cave (Can one shot)
  • Scyther/Pinsir at route 229 (Needs two shot)
  • Pawniard at Route 9 in regular or dark grass (Can one shot)
  • Wailmer at ever grande (lower section) (super rod) (added since it overlaps with luvdisc and corsola)
  • Heracross in pattern bush (revival herbs) (clear hordes with HV)
  • Berry forest

 

Notes

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  • Banette knows Frisk
  • Munchlax could be a more appealing Pay Day poke. Speed isn’t an issue and the next comment on this guide will include a Munchlax build

 

Credits

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  • FredfHK
  • Layanae
  • Konren
  • MrVDD
  • Paydough
  • Hannahtaylor
  • CanadaSorry
  • ZaCCCCCC

 

 

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Optimal PvE Munchlax Summary

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Pokémon: Munchlax

Nature: Adamant

Level: 100

Ability: Pickup

Items: Choice Scarf or Choice Band

Moves: Pay Day, Covet, Earthquake, Rock Slide

IVs: Ideally 5x31. For more practical cost-saving purposes, 2x31 with Attack and Speed

EVs: 6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed

 

Faster and will One Shot with Pay Day

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  • Berry Forest
  • Finneon at route 17 (Super Rod)
  • Feebas at route 119 (Super Rod) (Special)
  • Bagon at meteor falls
  • Mareep at altering cave
  • Smeargle at artisan cave
  • Pawniard at Route 9 (regular or dark grass)
  • Barboach/Whiscash at meteor falls (super rod)
  • Dratini/dragonair/basculin at dragonspiral (super rod)
    • Will OS with paday for dratini/dragonair
    • Needs scarf for Basculin will OS with covet. Basculin can hold an item
  • Corsola/Luvdisc/Wailmer at Ever Grande City (lower section) (super rod)
  • Needs Choice Band for Corsola
  • PayDay Wailmer

 

Faster and will OS with Covet

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  • Horsea
  • Lunatone/Solrock at Meteor Falls
  • Clamperl at route 4 in Unova or underwater in Hoenn
  • Corsola/Luvdisc/Wailmer at Ever Grande City (lower section) (super rod)
    • Needs Choice Band for Corsola
  • PayDay Wailmer
  • Beldum at meteor falls.
    • Will OS a 2x31 beldum that is not defense boosted at level 45 100% of the time
    • Will OS a 2x31 defense boosted beldum at level 45 at least 92.3% of the time
    • Will OS a 2x31 defense boosted beldum at level 44 at least 96% of the time
    • Will OS a 2x31 defense boosted beldum at level 43 at least 100% of the time

 

Faster, Needs Choice Band, and will OS with Covet

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  • Corsola/Luvdisc/Wailmer at Ever Grande City (lower section) (super rod)
    • Needs Choice Band for Corsola

 

Needs Scarf and will OS with Pay Day

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  • Wingull/Staryu at Route 13
    • Needs scarf for Staryu

 

Needs Scarf and will OS with Covet

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  • Heracross in pattern bush
    • Pickup gives revival herbs
    • clear hordes with EQ
  • Remoraid/shellder/luvdisc at Undella Bay/Town
    • Remoraid does not hold an item, but cannot be OS by pay day if it is defense boosted at level 55 and  is 2x31.
  • Dratini/dragonair/basculin at dragonspiral (super rod)
    • Needs scarf for Basculin will OS with covet. Basculin can hold an item
    • Will OS with pay day for dratini/dragonair
  • Scyther/Pinsir at route 229
    • Needs scarf and will OS Scyther
    • Pinsir at level 51: Will OS at least 99.3% of the time when defense boosted
    • Pinsir at level 51: Will OS at least 100% of the time when not defense boosted
    • Pinsir at level 52: Will OS at least 95.8% of the time when defense boosted
    • Pinsir at level 52: Will OS at least 100% of the time when not defense boosted

 

Notes

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  • I would primarily use Munchlax for Payday farming, Teddiursa for Hordes, and Banette for thieving
  • Pay Day is weaker than Covet. If I say a Pokémon can be OS with pay day, it can also be OS with Covet.
  • I understand that Munchlax is slightly harder to breed due to it needing to be snorlax to breed. The benefit is that it evolves via happiness so when you’re leveling after being done with breeds, you simply need to feed Munchlax berries to keep it’s happiness low rather than being careful about pressing ‘B’ to cancel the evolution
  • Use scarf when Munchlax can’t outspeed a pokemon

 

Credits

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  • CanadaSorry
  • PrinceAdjahni
  • Aidenjc
  • Sargeste
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I will officially be adding in builds for Meowth and Munchlax in place of my reserved comments. I will then change the title to something pertaining to a pickup pokemon guide. I will explain the points where each excel, advantages, disadvantages, etc. When I post the Meowth and Munchlax breeds, I will continue to edit them over a week's time for further explanations and calcs. 

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  • DragoTamer changed the title to Optimal PvE Pickup Teddiursa, Munchlax, and Meowth

The builds are updated. I will take another look at Meowth's build later, but after making these 3, I highly recommend a Teddiursa + Munchlax. Teddiursa for hordes and Munchlax for payday/covet. Covet works like thief, but Munchlax will get the STAB boost and extra power because of its higher base attack stat. Munchlax's build also includes a larger pool of people you can shunt with while paydaying/coveting. My opinion is that Munchlax is better than Meowth. Munchlax, along with its higher base attack stat, can clear a decent amount of hordes with EQ + Rock slide. 

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Great guide! I think there is a mistake in your mantine damage calculations. I caught these 4 that all survived a hyper voice from a Lv. 100 teddiursa with maxed out special attack and choice specs. I going to use a different pokemon to handle mantine hordes. I can only 1 hit KO about 2/3 of the hordes. I don't think any other pokemon with pickup can hit any harder. 

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On 6/22/2022 at 10:39 PM, johnestan said:

Great guide! I think there is a mistake in your mantine damage calculations. I caught these 4 that all survived a hyper voice from a Lv. 100 teddiursa with maxed out special attack and choice specs. I going to use a different pokemon to handle mantine hordes. I can only 1 hit KO about 2/3 of the hordes. I don't think any other pokemon with pickup can hit any harder. 

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The best choice for Mantine hordes was Teddiursa with Rock Slide. But since the last updates i believe that they nerfed the Wide Lens because now sometimes the attack fails (it didn't before). But even now the missing chance isn't that high so i would reccomend to use it with Earthquake+Rock Slide (this one for Mantine)+Hyper Voice (the last one for every other flying poke), and Wide Lens/Choice Band/Choice Specs as the held item (depends on the attack you will use).

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5 hours ago, RealdoDM said:

The best choice for Mantine hordes was Teddiursa with Rock Slide. But since the last updates i believe that they nerfed the Wide Lens because now sometimes the attack fails (it didn't before). But even now the missing chance isn't that high so i would reccomend to use it with Earthquake+Rock Slide (this one for Mantine)+Hyper Voice (the last one for every other flying poke), and Wide Lens/Choice Band/Choice Specs as the held item (depends on the attack you will use).

Thank you for this insight! I'll rerun the calcs for Mantine. Teddiursa was meant to thin out Mantine for any good captures, but it looks like that advantage has a wider margin of error than I thought. It seems that Discharge or another option is a better move. Just in case you were looking for an alternate horde for Special Defense EVs, I recommend Tentacruel at the Hoenn Battle Frontier! Thanks again for providing that data!

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  • 2 weeks later...

Another pokemon that should be considered is Linoone, which I use when training other pokemon. It also has a wide moveset such as Hyper Voice, Dig, Thief and several HM!

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9 hours ago, Uriincrdbl said:

Another pokemon that should be considered is Linoone, which I use when training other pokemon. It also has a wide moveset such as Hyper Voice, Dig, Thief and several HM!

Linoone is indeed a good pickup pokemon! Teddiura outclasses Linoone though due to a higher base attack stat. It's indeed a viable one though so thank you for your insight! 

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