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29 minutes ago, Thenavarro said:

Hahaha I was going to comment the same xD

Or just wait november, that are a free window... TCL are condenned, due to all conflict they made, just because they put their event and doesn't matter if will overlap with other or not. So, probablly PSL will be hosted on November not mattering with TCL

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Maybe another idea is making use of forum clubs. We could make Tournaments Club. With tabs for every tour where you can post your weekly threads main threads etc. you can also make a betting tab with the betting threads and blacklist thread. This way its easy to check when tournaments start and its more organized.

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1 hour ago, Bearminator said:

Bit away lately, so sorry for late response.

I'm all for us assisting with a thread, but doesn't this one serve similar purpose: 

 

Should we make one only with General information about events and calendar? Should we include formatting?

Yes & definitely include formatting, honestly just copy paste what GB wrote & credit him somewhere

As I understand it Unofficial Tournaments should be its own section soon tm
Even if we end up going the Clubs route for leagues & long-form events the forums need a revamp so having an updated rules pin for that "new" section makes sense

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2 hours ago, KaynineXL said:

I didn't say that. It's something I think would be a good idea though.

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You didn't, but I did 

@BearminatorOn that point, what I mean by forums need a revamp is this:
Unofficial events are a bigger part of the forums than Official events, because aside from PvE events (which are still announced through system messages) and the odd special tournament like Kaynine's Doubles/OU Tag Team, there is no reason to check the Official Events section.
Unofficial events however, being community-led and not included in the ingame Tournament window, bring traffic to the forums. The problem with the way the Comp. Alley section is structured now is twofold:
1) Unofficial Tournaments is buried in Comp. Alley as a subsection when it's probably (one of) the most visited part(s) of the forums.
That means that all the tournament & event threads are jumbled up in there in an incoherent mess.
Having Unofficial Tournaments be its own section would also allow subsections for PvE events, Single Tournaments and Leagues/long-form tournaments, with different pins for each. For example a pinned thread to discuss event scheduling in [Unofficial Tournaments - section] -> (Leagues - subsection) would be very nice, and that's one example of many.
2) Tying into it being an incoherent mess, there's no naming pattern to the titles so it's a pain to get around, Gbweed's thread/suggestion helps with that, let's make it official.
Maybe one day if the events names are done properly we could see a separate tab ingame added for Unofficial Tournaments with all the info for each (a man can dream).

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PSL, PSL Teams and LCPL are approximately 10 weeks. WC is approximately 6 to 8 weeks.

 

If we look at this past year:

  • Halloween event from 31/10/2021 to 05/11/2021
  • XMAS event from 24/12/2021 to 05/01/2022
  • Lunar New Year event from 01/02/2022 to 11/02/2022

From the Halloween event from the XMAS event, we had 6 and a half weeks.

From the XMAS event to the Lunar New Year event, we had 4 weeks.

The only event that could potentially be hosted during that time is WC between Halloween and XMAS, and that's already a stretch.

Imo, the schedule should look like this:
WC in November and December.

PSL in February, March and April.

LCPL in May, June and July.

PSL Teams in August, September and October.

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49 minutes ago, gbwead said:

PSL, PSL Teams and LCPL are approximately 10 weeks. WC is approximately 6 to 8 weeks.

 

If we look at this past year:

  • Halloween event from 31/10/2021 to 05/11/2021
  • XMAS event from 24/12/2021 to 05/01/2022
  • Lunar New Year event from 01/02/2022 to 11/02/2022

From the Halloween event from the XMAS event, we had 6 and a half weeks.

From the XMAS event to the Lunar New Year event, we had 4 weeks.

The only event that could potentially be hosted during that time is WC between Halloween and XMAS, and that's already a stretch.

Imo, the schedule should look like this:
WC in November and December.

PSL in February, March and April.

LCPL in May, June and July.

PSL Teams in August, September and October.

Switch PSL Teams and PSL

and switch WC and LC PL


idk why but I think we most of the time start these event at these moment of the year.

 

If we can respect a sheduling like that every year that will help a lot for the organization 

 

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59 minutes ago, gbwead said:

PSL, PSL Teams and LCPL are approximately 10 weeks. WC is approximately 6 to 8 weeks.

 

If we look at this past year:

  • Halloween event from 31/10/2021 to 05/11/2021
  • XMAS event from 24/12/2021 to 05/01/2022
  • Lunar New Year event from 01/02/2022 to 11/02/2022

From the Halloween event from the XMAS event, we had 6 and a half weeks.

From the XMAS event to the Lunar New Year event, we had 4 weeks.

The only event that could potentially be hosted during that time is WC between Halloween and XMAS, and that's already a stretch.

Imo, the schedule should look like this:
WC in November and December.

PSL in February, March and April.

LCPL in May, June and July.

PSL Teams in August, September and October.

But you need to put two things on consideration:
 

  • If you would host a large event, you don't need to start the preparation phase on their specific months. Example: PSL 15 Host could start the preparation on October of this year and there will be no problem, if he respect the World Cup and start the championship on around first week of December, using october and november only to get the players that will be playing(and some donations lol)
  • You don't need to host your event after some big event like XMas. Again using PSL 15 as example. They could start first 3 weeks on the 3 first weeks of december, and give a temporary break until Xmas event is over. Don't need to wait until January 2023 to start him. Unnefable used the strategy. On world up, the first 6 weeks will be held before Halloween event and the last 3 will be held after.
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23 hours ago, Bearminator said:

Bit away lately, so sorry for late response.

I'm all for us assisting with a thread, but doesn't this one serve similar purpose: 

 

Should we make one only with General information about events and calendar? Should we include formatting?

Or you can merge both threads in one. The first message will be the Informations and the standard format for titles of threads. A inclused calendar would help. But the thread will be pinned and open to all players disscuss. They can send on him informations about their events and players discuss when is:

  • The best time to host it, to not overlap with others.
  • A good format to the event if hosts aren't certain about the format.
  • If are on a unnoficial tier, like: Monotype, VGC, Untiered, Little Cup, 1v1.... Other players can help with some Tiers decisions.

Obviously if are a events that can take a few weeks to end it(Example: Olympic Games, VGC Seasonal and PCL/PGC), and the host will host their event in a Unnoficial tier(Case of VGC Seasonal), or allow players to play him(like putting a tier on official Line-up(the case of PCL and some Gyms of PGC(That accepts challenge on Untiered and LC) for example) or a subevent hosted on that tier(Case of Olympic Games, that will host 5 of 9 single-man tours on Unofficial formats and LC can appear on tiers of Teams Tournaments, if both teams are LC compatible)), could be requested to the host to collect data for those tiers, or the permission to do this for him. This usage can be used to help other hosts on Tiering decisions, like i explained on the post linked on Quote.

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1 hour ago, caioxlive13 said:

But you need to put two things on consideration:
 

  • If you would host a large event, you don't need to start the preparation phase on their specific months. Example: PSL 15 Host could start the preparation on October of this year and there will be no problem, if he respect the World Cup and start the championship on around first week of December, using october and novemb er only to get the players that will be playing(and some donations lol)
  • You don't need to host your event after some big event like XMas. Again using PSL 15 as example. They could start first 3 weeks on the 3 first weeks of december, and give a temporary break until Xmas event is over. Don't need to wait until January 2023 to start him. Unnefable used the strategy. On world up, the first 6 weeks will be held before Halloween event and the last 3 will be held after.

I'm only talking about the weeks where players play (10 weeks for PSL).

Also, breaks are very annoying and problematic. They should be avoided when possible.

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On 8/5/2022 at 11:38 AM, Draekyn said:

100% to everything said but on that specific point:
We should start shitting on hosts again. Back in the day you'd have to be a masochist to want to host PSL, that's why people respected those who would & no random ass people attempted to host.
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3x masochist checking in

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On 8/12/2022 at 10:18 AM, gbwead said:

I'm only talking about the weeks where players play (10 weeks for PSL).

Also, breaks are very annoying and problematic. They should be avoided when possible.

So, beetween November and December , smaller leagues of Players, and not teams, can be maked. After all, no event are small enough to fit on this space of time.
The schedule can be:
January - 2nd week of March: World Cup or Olympic Games.

3rd Week of March - 3rd week of May: LCPL.
4th week of May - 1st week of August: PSL and PCL.
2rd Week of August - 3rd Week of October - TCL(With a Round-Robin format)
This free windom of 6 weeks can be used to Single-Player League tours, like VGC League. Or they can be maked during the other tours(Players playing 2x per week will not harm a big amount of players.)

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