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[PGS 0] PokeMMO Grand Slam Trial Season


About event itself  

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  1. 1. Which tiers will be more appropriated?

    • Over Used(OU)/Under Used(UU)/Never Used(NU)/Non-official Rarely Used(RU)/Non-Official Poorly Used(PU)/Little Cup(LC) - Only Singles Tours
    • OU/UU/NU/Doubles/LC/VGC - Singles and Doubles formats Allowed
    • Other(Please recommend on this post.)
  2. 2. Matchs on tours can be disputed on which way?

    • Qualifiers and Finals being on Unnofficial Events section, with each round's matchs being Scheduled.
    • Qualifiers being played on pre-defined days, and Finals being played with players Scheduling their games
    • Qualifiers and Finals being played on specific days.


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Welcome to PokéMMO Grand Slam Series. This is a Trial Season, if the event occurs everything ok we will do new seasons in the Future.

 

Note: The event will not happen for now due to World Cup, that are in progress. For now, this thread will be to discuss the format only.

 

What is this event?

Will be a Individual Tournament that will happen in 7 weeks, being divided on Two phases: Qualifiers and Finals.

 

Qualifiers:

The qualifiers will be held in tournaments involving one specific tier for each.

6 tiers will be placed for first edition: OU/UU/NU/Doubles/LC/VGC

Each tier will have 3 tours in order to qualify. LC and VGC will be hosted here on Unnoficial Events section, but other tiers will be hosted in a automated way(using the forgotten but still usable Community-Hosted automated tours). All tours will have 64 spots limit.

The tours will follow this schedule:

Week 1:

Friday: OU /Saturday: UU /Sunday: LC

Week 2:

Friday: NU /Saturday: Doubles /Sunday: VGC

Week 3:

Friday: OU /Saturday: NU /Sunday: VGC

Week 4:

Friday: UU /Saturday: Doubles /Sunday: LC

Week 5:

Friday: OU /Saturday: Doubles /Sunday: LC

Week 6:

Friday: UU /Saturday: NU /Sunday: VGC

 

Each tours will confer points to players according to their position on tour:

Champion: 10 pts

Runner-Up: 7 pts

Semifinal: 5 pts

Quarterfinal: 3 pts

Round 3: 1 pt

Eliminated on Round 1 or 2: no points given.

Note: If player gets free r3 or quarterfinal on a tour due to smaller bracket, if lose on this round will count as a R1 loss.

 

 

At the end, 16 players with highest score will qualify to final tournament, with next 16 players on standings having a reserve spot, that will happen on Week 7 Sunday.

Also, players can play on more than once qualifying tournament.

Finals:

On final tours, players will face themselves on a BO3, and the tiers will be the follow:

One tier selected by each player before starts the finals + VGC as a Tie-Break, if needed.

 

VGC and LC data:

On VGC and LC matches, a paste of your team, or a screenshot of team preview, need to be sended on discord(to be created). Because they don't are automated tiers, this are necessary to give a small but better than nothing usage of tier.

 

Discord: Coming soon.

Start day: not defined, probablly on December.

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5 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

 The idea is give a incentive to players play different tiers. Usually only team tours offer this variety of tiers, however it's very hard to be selected to one.

Your mindset is wrong we currently have world cup thats open for everyone. Imo hosting slam is really cool but i would be sad if you just waste the potential of this concept

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1 hour ago, Quinn010 said:

Your mindset is wrong we currently have world cup thats open for everyone. Imo hosting slam is really cool but i would be sad if you just waste the potential of this concept

Before world cup are acessible to everyone. But currently with the 18-player cap , some players can be excluded from the teams. And, world cup is a team tournament, that add two factors:

  • You have 18 players but line-ups is only 6 players per week. A part of team will not play on some weeks. Some teams have less players and they play more times. 
  • In order to World Cup happen, they depend of other team tour don't happen on the same period. If happen, can potentially decrease the prize pool of tour. If a individual tour happen, they can also decrease the prize pool of World Cup but the impact is much smaller.

 

Also, i choosed the tiers that have some playerbase and players showed that want tours of those formats. Like VGC, that recently players have maked a Tour 100% focused on him, and we have PCL with the format included on weekly tier rotation. So, i included VGC, especially after some players say to me that prefer VGC over doubles.

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2 hours ago, caioxlive13 said:

Before world cup are acessible to everyone. But currently with the 18-player cap , some players can be excluded from the teams. And, world cup is a team tournament, that add two factors:

  • You have 18 players but line-ups is only 6 players per week. A part of team will not play on some weeks. Some teams have less players and they play more times. 
  • In order to World Cup happen, they depend of other team tour don't happen on the same period. If happen, can potentially decrease the prize pool of tour. If a individual tour happen, they can also decrease the prize pool of World Cup but the impact is much smaller.

 

Also, i choosed the tiers that have some playerbase and players showed that want tours of those formats. Like VGC, that recently players have maked a Tour 100% focused on him, and we have PCL with the format included on weekly tier rotation. So, i included VGC, especially after some players say to me that prefer VGC over doubles.

 what i mean is that smogon grandslam (the concept you copy) focus is that you show your the best multitier singles player. If you change this concept you kinda kill the event already. If you want to see more doubles tournament host dpl and add duu and vgc to it.

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14 minutes ago, Quinn010 said:

 what i mean is that smogon grandslam (the concept you copy) focus is that you show your the best multitier singles player. If you change this concept you kinda kill the event already. If you want to see more doubles tournament host dpl and add duu and vgc to it.

The problem is lack of singles formats, mainly because we don't have RU or PU, and i don't considered UT because on dex UT involves all mons that aren't Ubers/OU/UU/NU , without spliting the good ones(Like Altaria, Skuntank) from the bad ones(Rattata, Bastiodon...), leaving a bit harder to Teambuild for "new players"(Novice players or players that play a lot on official tiers but don't play UT) . 1v1 because of Matches Speed and because we need to evaluate the banlist(Like, seriously, for what reason on PCL, the 1v1 council decide to allow Whimsicott?). Also, the intent is adapt the tour. Not only restricting to Singles, but allowing doubles too. If new formats become added then we can consider spliting the doubles formats from singles formats, but this will only be possible with UT usage(So we can create a non official RU and PU)

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2 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

The problem is lack of singles formats, mainly because we don't have RU or PU, and i don't considered UT because on dex UT involves all mons that aren't Ubers/OU/UU/NU , without spliting the good ones(Like Altaria, Skuntank) from the bad ones(Rattata, Bastiodon...), leaving a bit harder to Teambuild for "new players"(Novice players or players that play a lot on official tiers but don't play UT) . 1v1 because of Matches Speed and because we need to evaluate the banlist(Like, seriously, for what reason on PCL, the 1v1 council decide to allow Whimsicott?). Also, the intent is adapt the tour. Not only restricting to Singles, but allowing doubles too. If new formats become added then we can consider spliting the doubles formats from singles formats, but this will only be possible with UT usage(So we can create a non official RU and PU)

How is building for Untiered harder than building for Doubles/VGC? (from the point of view of a singles player, asking seriously)

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4 hours ago, Bertolfoso said:

How is building for Untiered harder than building for Doubles/VGC? (from the point of view of a singles player, asking seriously)

Is mainly because of Untiered doesn't have a usage data, to you have a idea of what is common in the tier and what aren't. Usage is basically a mirror of viability, because good mons tend to be used more. Isn't a perfect mirror but is the more closest that we have for Unnofical formats. Doubles have the official usage data, and on VGC season 0 i've posted a spreadsheet with entire VGC usage, from VGC 0 and PCL 1.

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3 hours ago, caioxlive13 said:

The problem is lack of singles formats, mainly because we don't have RU or PU, and i don't considered UT because on dex UT involves all mons that aren't Ubers/OU/UU/NU , without spliting the good ones(Like Altaria, Skuntank) from the bad ones(Rattata, Bastiodon...), leaving a bit harder to Teambuild for "new players"(Novice players or players that play a lot on official tiers but don't play UT) . 1v1 because of Matches Speed and because we need to evaluate the banlist(Like, seriously, for what reason on PCL, the 1v1 council decide to allow Whimsicott?). Also, the intent is adapt the tour. Not only restricting to Singles, but allowing doubles too. If new formats become added then we can consider spliting the doubles formats from singles formats, but this will only be possible with UT usage(So we can create a non official RU and PU)

lack of singles format we have 3 ? thats enough for a slam. 

 

3 hours ago, caioxlive13 said:

Is mainly because of Untiered doesn't have a usage data, to you have a idea of what is common in the tier and what aren't. Usage is basically a mirror of viability, because good mons tend to be used more. Isn't a perfect mirror but is the more closest that we have for Unnofical formats. Doubles have the official usage data, and on VGC season 0 i've posted a spreadsheet with entire VGC usage, from VGC 0 and PCL 1.

thats a weak argument  i can easily gather usage from untiered if its needed

 

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