caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) Credits to @Requifor the logo ------------------ Welcome to PokéMMO Grand Slam Series. What is this event? Will be a Individual Tournament that will happen in 6 weeks, being divided on Two phases: Qualifiers and Finals. Qualifiers: The qualifiers will be held in tournaments involving one specific tier for each. The 5 tiers will be : Over Used/Under Used/Never Used/Untiered/Little Cup. Each tier will have 3 tours in order to qualify. Untiered and LC will be hosted here on Unnoficial Events section, but other tiers will be hosted in a automated way(using the forgotten but still usable Community-Hosted automated tournaments). OU is guarranted to have 64 spots. Other tiers are on discussion. The tours will follow this schedule: Week 1: Friday: Over Used / Saturday: Under Used / Sunday: Never Used Week 2: Friday: Little Cup / Saturday: Untiered / Sunday: Over Used Week 3: Friday: Under Used / Saturday: Never Used / Sunday: Little Cup Week 4: Friday: Untiered / Saturday: Over Used / Sunday: Under Used Week 5: Friday: Never Used / Saturday: Little Cup / Sunday: Untiered Each tour will confer points to players according to their position on tour: Champion: 10 pts Runner-Up: 7 pts Semifinal: 5 pts Quarterfinal: 3 pts Round of 16: 1 pt Eliminated before that: no points given. Note: If player gets free r3 or quarterfinal on a tour due to smaller bracket, if lose on this round will count as a R1 loss. At the end, 16 players with highest score will qualify to final tournament, with next 16 players on standings having a reserve spot, that will start on 6th week. Players will schedule their matches, in order to play. Also, players can play on more than once qualifying tournament. Finals: On final tour, players will face themselves on a BO3 until semifinal, and the tiers will be the follow: One tier selected by each player before starts the finals + tier choosed by best-placed player, if a 3rd game tiebreak is needed. Finals will be BO5 on all tiers. Best-ranked player can choose the first and second tiers, the following will be randomized. Note: Both cannot repeat tiers. Untiered and LC data: On Untiered and LC matches, a paste of your team, or a screenshot of team preview, need to be sended on discord, link can be found below. Because they are not automated tiers, this is necessary for tiering actions. Hidden Ability Actions: Several HA have been introducted before tournament starts. On OU/UU/NU qualifiers we cannot take any actions because they're automated. The only thing we can do is watch the devs actions. However on LC/UT qualifiers and in the Final tournament, we can take actions and we will do. Any new hidden Ability released 72 hours before tournaments starts are BANNED, not matering if are for example, a Moxie Gyarados or a HA Unfezant. Hosts: Host: CaioXLive13 IGN: CaioXLive Forum: @caioxlive13 Discord: CaioXLive13#1968 Co-Host: Quinn IGN: QuinnW Forum: @Quinn010 Discord: Quinn#1399 Note: Host/Co-Host, as well as council players(if someone offer to enter on council), will be allowed to play. Discord Link - Click here Prize Pool Qualifiers: All tours will have 50k fee, and 64 spots, meaning 3,2m of prize pool. Distribution: 1st: 1,6m - 50% of prize pool for each(If not fill 64 spots.) 2nd: 800m - 25% of prize pool for each(If not fill 64 spots.) 3rd-4th: 400/k each - 12,5% of prize pool for each(If not fill 64 spots.) Why i leave the exactly % of prize pool? Some non-automated tours can fail in fullfill the 64 spots avaiable. The money sayed before the % is assuming that 64 players enter. If they fail, the distribution will be done with this percentual on the money get by the entry fees. Finals Prize Pool: TBA Donations received so far: IGN: WhiteCon Total: $7,100,000 Top Donators: 1st - CaioXLive - $7,000,000 2nd - Smadagos - $100,000 Tours Links/Calendar: Below is List of Tournaments and their respective links, updating each time that a new tour is announced. Quote Season 1 - 2022/2023 Pre-season Tournaments - Season 0 Warm-Ups: [OU] PokéMMO Grand Slam S0 Warm-Up #1 - 2nd October 2022 , 20:00 UTC 0. Winners: 1st Place - evxsion , 2nd Place - Luke [UU] PokéMMO Grand Slam S0 Warm-Up #2 - 9th October 2022 , 21:00 UTC 0 Winners: 1st Place - Josheefina , 2nd Place - MadaraSixSix [NU] PokéMMO Grand Slam S0 Warm-Up #3 - 16th October 2022, 21:00 UTC 0 Winners: 1st Place - MadaraSixSix , 2nd Place - Tawlaa [OU] PokéMMO Grand Slam S0 Warm-Up #4 - 23rd October 2022, 18:00 UTC 0 Winners: 1st Place - ursad , 2nd Place - DustinHendersoon [UU] PokéMMO Grand Slam S0 Warm-Up #5 - 29th October 2022, 13;00 UTC 0 Winners: 1st Place - ordinaryplayerZ , 2nd Place - DarnellEK, [NU] PokéMMO Grand Slam S0 Warm-Up #6/Final - 13th November 2022, 13:00 UTC 0 Winners: 1st Place - Deviljho , 2nd Place - Gbwead Qualifiers: Week 1: [OU] PGS S1 - OU Qualifiers #1 - Soon [UU] PGS S1 - UU Qualifiers #1 - Soon [NU] PGS S1 - NU Qualifiers #1 - Soon Week 2: [UT] PGS S1 - UT Qualifiers #1 - Soon [LC] PGS S1 - LC Qualifiers #1 - Soon [OU] PGS S1 - OU Qualifiers #2 - Soon Week 3: [UU] PGS S1 - UU Qualifiers #2 - Soon [NU] PGS S1 - NU Qualifiers #2 - Soon [UT] PGS S1 - UT Qualifiers #2 - Soon Week 4: [LC] PGS S1 - LC Qualifiers #2 - Soon [OU] PGS S1 - OU Qualifiers #3 - Soon [UU] PGS S1 - UU Qualifiers #3 - Soon Week 5: [NU] PGS S1 - NU Qualifiers #3 - Soon [UT] PGS S1 - UT Qualifiers #3 - Soon [LC] PGS S1 - LC Qualifiers #3 - Soon Week 6 - Finals: [PGS 1] PokéMMO Grand Slam - Finals - Soon Qualifier Final Table: Edited April 17, 2023 by caioxlive13 Update 12/11/2022. Gunthug, Requi, Quinn010 and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 If you host a grand slam imo its either doubles or singles mixing both is a bad concept caioxlive13 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, Quinn010 said: If you host a grand slam imo its either doubles or singles mixing both is a bad concept The idea is give a incentive to players play different tiers. Usually only team tours offer this variety of tiers, however it's very hard to be selected to one. Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said: The idea is give a incentive to players play different tiers. Usually only team tours offer this variety of tiers, however it's very hard to be selected to one. Your mindset is wrong we currently have world cup thats open for everyone. Imo hosting slam is really cool but i would be sad if you just waste the potential of this concept caioxlive13 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Quinn010 said: Your mindset is wrong we currently have world cup thats open for everyone. Imo hosting slam is really cool but i would be sad if you just waste the potential of this concept Before world cup are acessible to everyone. But currently with the 18-player cap , some players can be excluded from the teams. And, world cup is a team tournament, that add two factors: You have 18 players but line-ups is only 6 players per week. A part of team will not play on some weeks. Some teams have less players and they play more times. In order to World Cup happen, they depend of other team tour don't happen on the same period. If happen, can potentially decrease the prize pool of tour. If a individual tour happen, they can also decrease the prize pool of World Cup but the impact is much smaller. Also, i choosed the tiers that have some playerbase and players showed that want tours of those formats. Like VGC, that recently players have maked a Tour 100% focused on him, and we have PCL with the format included on weekly tier rotation. So, i included VGC, especially after some players say to me that prefer VGC over doubles. Edited September 23, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Draekyn said: No yes Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, caioxlive13 said: Before world cup are acessible to everyone. But currently with the 18-player cap , some players can be excluded from the teams. And, world cup is a team tournament, that add two factors: You have 18 players but line-ups is only 6 players per week. A part of team will not play on some weeks. Some teams have less players and they play more times. In order to World Cup happen, they depend of other team tour don't happen on the same period. If happen, can potentially decrease the prize pool of tour. If a individual tour happen, they can also decrease the prize pool of World Cup but the impact is much smaller. Also, i choosed the tiers that have some playerbase and players showed that want tours of those formats. Like VGC, that recently players have maked a Tour 100% focused on him, and we have PCL with the format included on weekly tier rotation. So, i included VGC, especially after some players say to me that prefer VGC over doubles. what i mean is that smogon grandslam (the concept you copy) focus is that you show your the best multitier singles player. If you change this concept you kinda kill the event already. If you want to see more doubles tournament host dpl and add duu and vgc to it. caioxlive13 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Quinn010 said: what i mean is that smogon grandslam (the concept you copy) focus is that you show your the best multitier singles player. If you change this concept you kinda kill the event already. If you want to see more doubles tournament host dpl and add duu and vgc to it. The problem is lack of singles formats, mainly because we don't have RU or PU, and i don't considered UT because on dex UT involves all mons that aren't Ubers/OU/UU/NU , without spliting the good ones(Like Altaria, Skuntank) from the bad ones(Rattata, Bastiodon...), leaving a bit harder to Teambuild for "new players"(Novice players or players that play a lot on official tiers but don't play UT) . 1v1 because of Matches Speed and because we need to evaluate the banlist(Like, seriously, for what reason on PCL, the 1v1 council decide to allow Whimsicott?). Also, the intent is adapt the tour. Not only restricting to Singles, but allowing doubles too. If new formats become added then we can consider spliting the doubles formats from singles formats, but this will only be possible with UT usage(So we can create a non official RU and PU) Edited September 23, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
Bertolfoso Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said: The problem is lack of singles formats, mainly because we don't have RU or PU, and i don't considered UT because on dex UT involves all mons that aren't Ubers/OU/UU/NU , without spliting the good ones(Like Altaria, Skuntank) from the bad ones(Rattata, Bastiodon...), leaving a bit harder to Teambuild for "new players"(Novice players or players that play a lot on official tiers but don't play UT) . 1v1 because of Matches Speed and because we need to evaluate the banlist(Like, seriously, for what reason on PCL, the 1v1 council decide to allow Whimsicott?). Also, the intent is adapt the tour. Not only restricting to Singles, but allowing doubles too. If new formats become added then we can consider spliting the doubles formats from singles formats, but this will only be possible with UT usage(So we can create a non official RU and PU) How is building for Untiered harder than building for Doubles/VGC? (from the point of view of a singles player, asking seriously) caioxlive13 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) On 9/23/2022 at 1:34 PM, Bertolfoso said: How is building for Untiered harder than building for Doubles/VGC? (from the point of view of a singles player, asking seriously) Is mainly because of Untiered doesn't have a usage data, to you have a idea of what is common in the tier and what aren't. Usage is basically a mirror of viability, because good mons tend to be used more. Isn't a perfect mirror but is the more closest that we have for Unnofical formats. Doubles have the official usage data, and on VGC season 0 i've posted a spreadsheet with entire VGC usage, from VGC 0 and PCL 1. A simply resume: On untiered you don't have a reference point because there's no data. On VGC we have thanks to my file. Edited September 26, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
Wallarro Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 you do not have the support of the community, where will you get the prize? (No hate) Quinn010 and caioxlive13 1 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Wallarro said: you do not have the support of the community, where will you get the prize? (No hate) halloween and Xmas Quinn010 and Wallarro 1 1 Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, caioxlive13 said: The problem is lack of singles formats, mainly because we don't have RU or PU, and i don't considered UT because on dex UT involves all mons that aren't Ubers/OU/UU/NU , without spliting the good ones(Like Altaria, Skuntank) from the bad ones(Rattata, Bastiodon...), leaving a bit harder to Teambuild for "new players"(Novice players or players that play a lot on official tiers but don't play UT) . 1v1 because of Matches Speed and because we need to evaluate the banlist(Like, seriously, for what reason on PCL, the 1v1 council decide to allow Whimsicott?). Also, the intent is adapt the tour. Not only restricting to Singles, but allowing doubles too. If new formats become added then we can consider spliting the doubles formats from singles formats, but this will only be possible with UT usage(So we can create a non official RU and PU) lack of singles format we have 3 ? thats enough for a slam. 3 hours ago, caioxlive13 said: Is mainly because of Untiered doesn't have a usage data, to you have a idea of what is common in the tier and what aren't. Usage is basically a mirror of viability, because good mons tend to be used more. Isn't a perfect mirror but is the more closest that we have for Unnofical formats. Doubles have the official usage data, and on VGC season 0 i've posted a spreadsheet with entire VGC usage, from VGC 0 and PCL 1. thats a weak argument i can easily gather usage from untiered if its needed Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Quinn010 said: thats a weak argument i can easily gather usage from untiered if its needed Please do it. Players that don't play UT too much will apreciate it. We can even use the usage to form a RU and a PU specifically for this tour. Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Added two polls to ask about the format. The format that the majority aprove, will be the format of trial season. Link to comment
AndreRugila Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 isso é Wc só muda as letras RochaBR 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, AndreRugila said: isso é Wc só muda as letras Há umas diferenças. Primeiro é a inclusão de VGC e a possível inclusão de Untiered, formatos que não tem na World Cup. Segundo, e mais importante: World Cup é uma Team Tour. Essa tour é Individual. We have some differences. First is the inclusion of VGC and the possible inclusion of Untiered, formats that aren't present on World Cup. Second and most important: World Cup is a Team Tournament. This tournament is Individual. Edited September 25, 2022 by caioxlive13 RochaBR 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) Updated somethings : - Added a link for VGC usage data. Now VGC players can have a reference of what is common in VGC and what isn't when preparing their teams. - Updated Tier Rotation, removing Doubles and replacing with Untiered. Some players commented to me that aren't a good idea leave two doubles formats, so i removed one of those. - Explained the prize pool distributions. - Added a Pool to vote the VGC format, if will be Open(No restrictions) or Restricted(Restricting the 16 most used, according to VGC usage data, to only 2 per team.) Edited September 26, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) On 9/23/2022 at 1:16 PM, Quinn010 said: what i mean is that smogon grandslam (the concept you copy) focus is that you show your the best multitier singles player. If you change this concept you kinda kill the event already. If you want to see more doubles tournament host dpl and add duu and vgc to it. Ok. I will leave VGC as the Only Doubles tier(and for we have 6 tiers and can schedule the tours in a simple but understandable calendar, without needing of repeat any tier in the 2 First, 2 Middle or the 2 Last qualifiers weeks.) because players voted and allow doubles formats, and leave 5 Singles tiers. Edited September 26, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 1:34 PM, Bertolfoso said: How is building for Untiered harder than building for Doubles/VGC? (from the point of view of a singles player, asking seriously) I'll give you a best answer than i sended before, because i think that last answer being a little confused. UT doesn't have any usage data or Viability Rankings to you have a reference of which things are common in format(and as a consequence, for which things you need to prepare your team to fight) and which things aren't, leaving a bit harder but not impossible, to players that don't play UT frequently, teambuild. Doubles have the official data and VGC i have a file that i'm leaving avaliable for everyone, with usage data, so even if you don't know too much about the format, usage grants to you a reference to teambuild. Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Update: - Added a poll to discuss about UU/NU 's number of seats on tours. - First Warn-Up scheduled to 2nd October 2022, at 20:00 UTC 0. Check official events for more details. Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) After some talk with @Quinn010 and get some suggestions, we reached on a final format that we considered good, and we want to see with players if are good or not. First of all: We will play with 5 tiers, and not 6. That means VGC is officially out from tournament. The tiers will be : Over Used/Under Used/Never Used/Untiered/Little Cup. I'm still talking with QuinnW to get Untiered Usage, to help players that don't play UT frequently , giving a reference to teambuild. Weekly tier rotation will also have some changes. Now will be: Week 1: Friday: OU/Saturday: UU/Sunday: NU Week 2: Friday: LC/Saturday: UT/Sunday: OU Week 3: Friday: UU/Saturday: NU/Sunday: LC Week 4: Friday: UT/Saturday: OU/Sunday: UU Week 5: Friday: NU/Saturday: LC/Sunday: UT All tours will be held considering the following timezones, at 4 PM(6 PM on fridays): PT(Pacific Time, -7) for: OU #1, UU #3, NU#2, LC#1 and UT#3 CST(China Standard Time, +8) for: OU#2, UU#1, NU#3, LC#3 and UT#2 GMT(Greenwich Meridional Time, 0) for: OU#3, UU#2, NU#1, LC#2, and UT#1 Now for finals: All matches will be on Scheduling system, this will keep. The tiers that will be played will change. On 1st round, Quarterfinals, and Semifinals, will be BO3 with 1 Tier choosed by each player + Tier choosed by best-placed player(If a 3rd game is needed). On finals, will be a BO5, being on LC/UT/NU/UU/OU. Prize: TBA I will update main post asap. Edited October 5, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 Updates: - Updated the Prize Pool. Now the prize pool are simplified and will be easier to players calc the prize for tours that don't fill 64 spots. - Winners of Warm-ups are now included below the respective tour that win. Next things to do: Place the official Calendar of tour Prize Pool: Unknown. I still need to farm more. Anyone interessed on sponsor this tour, PM me. Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) Forgot to mention earlier. All duels in the qualifiers and in the grand final will need to follow Official Tournament Rules. That means, in addition to the current clasules and banlist, until Quarterfinals, will have a mandatory 60-minute time limit for each match. For semifinals and grand final, the limit will be of 90 minutes per match. Also, about the tiers selected on Grand final, players need to pick a tier and send the option on my discord or via private message on forums, or via mail on MMO. If a player didn't picked a tier until the pre-defined Deadline, then default pick will be OU. Edited October 15, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
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