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[PSL15] Donations - DPP vs VGC vs Gen9


Showdown Tier  

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  1. 1. Which showdown tier?

    • DPP
    • VGC
    • The poll does not decide what gets picked. Donations do. Go and donate. :^)


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3 hours ago, Luke said:

Yeah, the old PSL’s of JJ coaching people as the host, someone playing on 2 accounts & people mass drafting mid season to opposing teams in a loophole sure were the epitome of high level mmo events. My bad.

I mean they literally were the epitome of high level mmo events lol, PSL has been the absolute pinnacle of MMO unofficial events since it started. Yes, I'm using an incredibly subjective viewpoint that the last idk, 4 PSLs without a showdown tier have lacked the hype they usually do, but it's impossible to avoid a subjective opinion on this topic. Your own opinion that you dislike showdown for whatever dumb reason is coloring your stance on this issue, for example. 

 

Ultimately, it isn't the host's job to give the community input on anything whatsoever when it comes to PSL. The fact that kaynine even gave the option for public input on WHICH showdown tier is more than he needed to. He didn't give us the option, for example, of including gen 1 UU as one of the tiers - did he DEPRIVE the community of this option?? No, that's ridiculous. The host gets creative license to host the event that they want to put together, and the players can decide for themselves if they want to play or not. If the inclusion of one single showdown tier is enough to deter players, I guess we'll see that come signup time, won't we?

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Big update!!

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@calidubstepput down another 10m for DPP to put DPP back in the lead!

@YettoDiehas also put down $33,333,333 to skyrocket DPP!!

Thank you both very much!

 

Also noticed LeZenor donated a total of 34m, 4m for DPP and 30m for Gen 9! A strange strategy but we appreciate you nonetheless! 

 

That's a total of 168m+ in donations. Insane!! Thank you all 🙏

 

 

also @caioxlive13can you add up all the donations on the front page and make sure I got it right pls 🥺

 

Also!! Auction currently finishes at 2am GMT+0!

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44 minutes ago, KaynineXL said:

Big update!!

692adc69df69d8a4a0b9fe2087c85de4.png

 

@calidubstepput down another 10m for DPP to put DPP back in the lead!

@YettoDiehas also put down $33,333,333 to skyrocket DPP!!

Thank you both very much!

 

Also noticed LeZenor donated a total of 34m, 4m for DPP and 30m for Gen 9! A strange strategy but we appreciate you nonetheless! 

 

That's a total of 168m+ in donations. Insane!! Thank you all 🙏

 

 

also @caioxlive13can you add up all the donations on the front page and make sure I got it right pls 🥺

 

Also!! Auction currently finishes at 2am GMT+0!

You want me to do the match calcs and confirm the value, even if you probablly had a calculator on your phone and you can do that? For sure, i'll do that.

First:

VAR Check. Checking... No donations missed. 👍

Calculating...

Donations: $168,581,333

PSL14(aka gbwead): $3,625,000 (-DPP) (Total: $3,625,000)

Tear: 150k (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $3,775,000)

Terresa: 2.5m (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $6,275,000)

CaioXLive: 95k (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $6,370,000)

LeZenor: 34m (+ 4m DPP, + 30m Gen 9 OU) (Total: $40,370,000)

Huargensy: 200k (+Gen 9 OU)  (Total: $40,570,000)

PoseidonWrath 300k (+DPP)  (Total: $40,870,000)

ArisTheFang 103k (+Gen 9 OU)  (Total: $40,973,000)

BaliAds 7m (+VGC)  (Total: $47,973,000)

Gunthug 50m (+VGC 16, +DPP 16 & +Gen 9 OU 18) (Total: $97,973,000)

TohnR 300k (+VGC) (Total: $98,273,000)

Cali 30m (+DPP)  (Total: $128,273,000)

Onraider 600k (+VGC 200k, +DPP 200k, +Gen 9 200k)  (Total: $128,873,000)

MonkeyDMathew 10m (+DPP & Ban Luke + Wrath) (Total: $138,873,000)

YettoDie $33,333,333 (Total: $172,206,333)

You missed the Donation total value, that are $172,206,333.

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3 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

You want me to do the match calcs and confirm the value, even if you probablly had a calculator on your phone and you can do that? For sure, i'll do that.

First:

VAR Check. Checking... No donations missed. 👍

Calculating...

Donations: $168,581,333

PSL14(aka gbwead): $3,625,000 (-DPP) (Total: $3,625,000)

Tear: 150k (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $3,775,000)

Terresa: 2.5m (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $6,275,000)

CaioXLive: 95k (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $6,370,000)

LeZenor: 34m (+ 4m DPP, + 30m Gen 9 OU) (Total: $40,370,000)

Huargensy: 200k (+Gen 9 OU)  (Total: $40,570,000)

PoseidonWrath 300k (+DPP)  (Total: $40,870,000)

ArisTheFang 103k (+Gen 9 OU)  (Total: $40,973,000)

BaliAds 7m (+VGC)  (Total: $47,973,000)

Gunthug 50m (+VGC 16, +DPP 16 & +Gen 9 OU 18) (Total: $97,973,000)

TohnR 300k (+VGC) (Total: $98,273,000)

Cali 30m (+DPP)  (Total: $128,273,000)

Onraider 600k (+VGC 200k, +DPP 200k, +Gen 9 200k)  (Total: $128,873,000)

MonkeyDMathew 10m (+DPP & Ban Luke + Wrath) (Total: $138,873,000)

YettoDie $33,333,333 (Total: $172,206,333)

You missed the Donation total value, that are $172,206,333.

Wtf, I originally had this:

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I don't know where the extra cash comes from

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PSL14(aka gbwead): $3,625,000 (-DPP) (Total: $3,625,000) (DPP: -$3,625,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $0 )

Tear: 150k (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $3,775,000) (DPP: -$3,625,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $150,000 )

Terresa: 2.5m (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $6,275,000) (DPP: -$3,625,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $2,650,000)

CaioXLive: 95k (+Gen 9 OU) (Total: $6,370,000) (DPP: -$3,625,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $2,745,000)

LeZenor: 34m (+ 4m DPP, + 30m Gen 9 OU) (Total: $40,370,000) (DPP: $375,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $32,745,000)

Huargensy: 200k (+Gen 9 OU)  (Total: $40,570,000) (DPP: $375,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $32,945,000)

PoseidonWrath 300k (+DPP)  (Total: $40,870,000) (DPP: $675,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $32,945,000)

ArisTheFang 103k (+Gen 9 OU)  (Total: $40,973,000) (DPP: $675,000 VGC: $0 G9 OU: $33,048,000)

BaliAds 7m (+VGC)  (Total: $47,973,000) (DPP: $675,000 VGC: $7,000,000 G9 OU: $33,048,000)

Gunthug 50m (+VGC 16, +DPP 16 & +Gen 9 OU 18) (Total: $97,973,000) (DPP: $16,675,000 VGC: $23,000,000 G9 OU: $51,048,000)

TohnR 300k (+VGC) (Total: $98,273,000) (DPP: $16,675,000 VGC: $23,300,000 G9 OU: $51,048,000)

Cali 30m (+DPP)  (Total: $128,273,000) (DPP: $46,675,000 VGC: $23,300,000 G9 OU: $51,048,000)

Onraider 600k (+VGC 200k, +DPP 200k, +Gen 9 200k)  (Total: $128,873,000) (DPP: $46,875,000 VGC: $23,500,000 G9 OU: $51,248,000)

MonkeyDMathew 10m (+DPP & Ban Luke + Wrath) (Total: $138,873,000) (DPP: $56,875,000 VGC: $23,500,000 G9 OU: $51,248,000)

YettoDie $33,333,333 (Total: $172,206,333) (DPP: $90,208,333 VGC: $23,500,000 G9 OU: $51,248,000)

 

@KaynineXLcalculated tier per tier. You missed GB's donate, all other values are 100% correct.

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3 hours ago, Gunthug said:

I mean they literally were the epitome of high level mmo events lol, PSL has been the absolute pinnacle of MMO unofficial events since it started. Yes, I'm using an incredibly subjective viewpoint that the last idk, 4 PSLs without a showdown tier have lacked the hype they usually do, but it's impossible to avoid a subjective opinion on this topic. Your own opinion that you dislike showdown for whatever dumb reason is coloring your stance on this issue, for example. 

 

Ultimately, it isn't the host's job to give the community input on anything whatsoever when it comes to PSL. The fact that kaynine even gave the option for public input on WHICH showdown tier is more than he needed to. He didn't give us the option, for example, of including gen 1 UU as one of the tiers - did he DEPRIVE the community of this option?? No, that's ridiculous. The host gets creative license to host the event that they want to put together, and the players can decide for themselves if they want to play or not. If the inclusion of one single showdown tier is enough to deter players, I guess we'll see that come signup time, won't we?

I understand your point. Having a Showdown tier even brings visibility to the game, since outside players could be called to play and consequently get to know the game. The problem starts when they choose tiers like DPP or RBY. Again, not bad tiers. However, the playerbase is small, so the difficulty to prepare when you don't have friends in smogon to train with is immense.

Also, i wish to comment about non-official formats that Kaynine negated. The intention is bring visibility to the formats, to get easier to build tours for they in the future. For same reason, the Unofficial formats Discussion Thread gets created. Set in stone the rules more easier, which is the first step to get a playerbase for format

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37 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

I understand your point. Having a Showdown tier even brings visibility to the game, since outside players could be called to play and consequently get to know the game. The problem starts when they choose tiers like DPP or RBY. Again, not bad tiers. However, the playerbase is small, so the difficulty to prepare when you don't have friends in smogon to train with is immense.

Also, i wish to comment about non-official formats that Kaynine negated. The intention is bring visibility to the formats, to get easier to build tours for they in the future. For same reason, the Unofficial formats Discussion Thread gets created. Set in stone the rules more easier, which is the first step to get a playerbase for format

I want to specifically address what I highlighted in bold - this really isn't much of an obstacle for DPP in particular. First, the DPP ladder on showdown is, in my experience, instant queue until you reach the higher levels, and even then, finding a match is not all that difficult or time consuming. Further, you don't need friends "on smogon" to train with - one of the things I personally love about DPP is how accessible it is to those who know other metagames, like MMO's. PSL 3, all the way back in 2014, was the first time DPP made an appearance, and almost no one who played MMO had much experience with it. I was one of the group of players tasked with figuring it out. By the end of that season, and certainly by psl4, we had a nice grasp of the metagame as it shared a lot of cool similaries to MMO's own metagame at the time.

 

Now, one of the reasons I've dropped my defense of DPP in recent PSL seasons is that, unlike back in 2014, the current MMO metagame bears little resemblance to DPP. In 2014, DPP was what the MMO metagame wished it could be. Now, MMO has adopted a ton of new gen mechanics that are arguably superior to DPP's mechanics (no twave on electric types, no spore on grass types, etc). I still love DPP as a metagame so definitely won't complain if it's chosen, and I still believe that it's a pretty easy metagame to jump into. There are thousands and thousands of teams out there readily available for people to use, which should make training for weekly matchups a lot easier. Just my two cents

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