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Proposal - Abandon the Usage System on Ladder to determine official tiers/formats.


caioxlive13

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Idea is plain and simple. Abandon entirely usage from ladder to determine usage movements.

Why it should happen? On PokéMMO, metagaming usage is heavily determined not only on mon's Viability, but also in Market. If a mon is expensive, doesn't matter if he are good or not, he will simple have limited numbers on OU, and if OU aren't stable, we can't find stability on lower tiers. Some good examples:
 

  • Serperior, from July-August 2022, first month avaliable. At the moment, Serperior are been discussed to be banned to UBERS. Are overpowered a lot for OU. But, why it had only 7% usage on tier? This got heavily influenced by Grass ability patch's price, that on the time, are close to $3,000,000 pokeyen. Their usage got limited because not everyone could afford it. When price of the Ability Patch goes down, the usage of serperior rised. Only stabilized later with new HA coming to check it, and their Viablity got hurted this time.
  • Amoongus, from December 2022/January 2023. HA that got released on XMas only, and will not come back outside of events due to lack of Overworld sprites to Amoongus line, so they can't spawn alpha, and that's why their usage is quite limited. Isn't more because we have some stock of Amongus line on market with their HA.
  • Excadrill and Shaymin(not HA, Shaymin itself), future cases. Excadrill is case is simillar to Amoongus. HA that got released on LNY only, and will not come back outside of events due to lack of Overworld sprites to Excadrill line, so they can't spawn alpha to we get their HA. Case of Excadrill is worse. Because it's good on PvP and for Gym Farming teams. So it will be buyed a lot. Shaymin's case is because of hard task to get it. If he doesn't appear on other event soon, it will keep on $1m price and not everyone will afford it, impacting their usage.


Here is the example of mons that could have usage affected by Market. We can't use the usage system because on those type of case, isn't viability that make mon drops, it's the Market, and if drops, players that have the mons with those HA(or mon itself in case of Shaymin) can abuse of it in higher and lower tier. We need to find other way to determine tiers. Best would be tournament usage, and even usage from Unofficial Events like PSL would be better in that case. We also can go to Viability Rankings(Keep B- or above on tier, relegate the rest to lower tier except if are BL/BL2. Then test the mons dropped)

Discuss away and offer your solutions.

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  • caioxlive13 changed the title to Proposal - Abandon the Usage System on Ladder to determine official tiers/formats.

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3 hours ago, Poufilou said:

How to make a caoix post

 

1) Take material (arguments, sentences, or even just words) by reading other posts and do a selection out of context 

2) Choose a vast topic and be vague about the issues you bring up 

3) Add randomly onto post material you selected while adding caoi's touch of nonsense and bad english

 

This post was probably made by reading this one. While some points are true (because it's not his points), caoi's true strenght is to make them sound utterly stupid because he can't associate them with coherent thinking. This is a X-RAY rendition of what's going on here 

 

 

 

Well, people clearly don't understand how worse situation are. Let i explain with... Shaymin, that recently got released. Right now, we had 115 on GTL. I'm not sure about ones that aren't selled but let's say 500. How you can determine it's tier by usage when we got this amount of Shaymins avaliable? Unless it got harded spammed on OU, it will not be OU even if people found a good niche to justify it on tier. Is a rough example but you understand the concept. This, not taking into consideration the people that come just for pick shaymin and retire from game again. This limit even more the number of Shaymins avaliable and their usage too.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Usage is only half the system anyways.

 

If, say, shaymin is never used because it's too expensive, gets placed in NU, but it's too strong there, then it gets suspect tested and then banned.

 

Usage is a good system imo. Market availability is not an issue when it comes to determining competitive viability.

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