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[NU Discussion] Cloyster


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What is this?

 

This thread is being opened to discuss Cloyster being added to the NU tier by usage. Cloyster has fallen below the 4.36% cut-off allowed. Cloyster will be considered for a possible ban to Borderline 2 using a suspect test.

 

What to know?

 

Cloyster is a premiere set-up sweeper with access to Shell Smash (+2 boosts to Att, SpAtt, and Spe with -1 drops to Def and SpDef) as well as Skill Link which guarantees a 5-hit for moves such as STAB Icicle Spear, Rock Blast, and Pin Missile. It also has STAB priority Ice Shard to ensure it outspeeds and beats any revenge killers that might outspeed it or carry priority themselves. In the NU tier, there would be a reliance on defensive stallwarts like Quagsire and Clefable which carry unaware and hope to have enough HP to beat a neutral Cloyster with a base 125 STAB move at its disposal. Bronzor is another readily available option, although beyond that, there are few other checks which are not taking considerable damage from +2 STAB Icicle Spear or Rock Blast. Fortunately, Cloyster is limited by its poor speed and relies on +Speed nature to beat base 100 or better choice scarf speedsters in the NU tier when set-up. Additionally, the negative -1 drops to its defenses with Shell Smash open the door for fighting-types with priority such as Mach Punch Hitmontop/chan and Vacuum Wave Blaziken. Additionally, Cloyster can function as an effective hazard setter and Rapid Spin user, as well as suicide lead. It is very diverse, has a powerful punch, and has limited checks. With that in mind, we recommend a suspect test for this behemoth which may just be too much for NU.

 

Noteworthy sets?

 

Shell Smash: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard, Rock Blast/Pin Missile/Explosion, Shell Smash (Adamant or Jolly Nature w/ White Herb or Life Orb)

Mixed: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard, Hydro Pump, Shell Smash (Rash or Naive Nature w/ White Herb or Life Orb)

Choice Scarf: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard, Rock Blast, Razor Shell/Pin Missile (Adamant or Jolly Nature w/ Choice Scarf)

Defensive: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard/Toxic, Spikes/Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spin (Impish or Relaxed Nature w/ Leftovers)

 

Noteworthy calcs?

 

Slowking

Spoiler

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowking: 140-170 (69.3 - 84.1%) -- approx. 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowking: 280-340 (138.6 - 168.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cloyster: 94-112 (75.2 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 105-124 (84 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Qwilfish

Spoiler

+1 252 Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Qwilfish: 75-90 (43.6 - 52.3%) -- approx. 2% chance to 2HKO

4 Atk Qwilfish Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 27-33 (21.6 - 26.4%) -- 3% chance to 4HKO

Bronzor

Spoiler

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Bronzor: 135-160 (82.3 - 97.5%) -- approx. 2HKO

+2 4 SpA Cloyster Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Bronzor: 124-147 (75.6 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Quagsire

Spoiler

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Quagsire: 75-90 (37.1 - 44.5%) -- approx. 98.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 31-37 (24.8 - 29.6%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO

Hitmontop

Spoiler

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Hitmontop: 58-69 (36.9 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Technician Hitmontop Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 56-68 (44.8 - 54.4%) -- 44.9% chance to 2HKO

Hitmonchan

Spoiler

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hitmonchan: 67-81 (53.6 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Iron Fist Hitmonchan Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 50-60 (40 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Blaziken

Spoiler

+2 252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blaziken: 37-44 (23.8 - 28.3%) -- 93.2% chance to 4HKO

252 SpA Blaziken Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cloyster: 114-134 (91.2 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Blaziken Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 128-152 (102.4 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Clefable

Spoiler

252 Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Clefable: 80-105 (39.6 - 51.9%) -- approx. 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

*A +2 boost via Shell Smash with White Herb was used for these calcs. This represents what is likely the most anticipated set in the NU tier.

Edited by DoubleJ
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7 hours ago, Zokuru said:

Well, apparently people are unable to win with this. It still appears overpowered to me but statistics haven't shown it yet. Maybe with future metagame development we will see it being problematic but for the moment this discussion should probably be ended.

A little early to call it quits, but Cloyster certainly seems manageable right now. Interesting since it has such outstanding coverage. 

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