DoubleJ Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) What is this? This thread is being opened to discuss Cloyster being added to the NU tier by usage. Cloyster has fallen below the 4.36% cut-off allowed. Cloyster will be considered for a possible ban to Borderline 2 using a suspect test. What to know? Cloyster is a premiere set-up sweeper with access to Shell Smash (+2 boosts to Att, SpAtt, and Spe with -1 drops to Def and SpDef) as well as Skill Link which guarantees a 5-hit for moves such as STAB Icicle Spear, Rock Blast, and Pin Missile. It also has STAB priority Ice Shard to ensure it outspeeds and beats any revenge killers that might outspeed it or carry priority themselves. In the NU tier, there would be a reliance on defensive stallwarts like Quagsire and Clefable which carry unaware and hope to have enough HP to beat a neutral Cloyster with a base 125 STAB move at its disposal. Bronzor is another readily available option, although beyond that, there are few other checks which are not taking considerable damage from +2 STAB Icicle Spear or Rock Blast. Fortunately, Cloyster is limited by its poor speed and relies on +Speed nature to beat base 100 or better choice scarf speedsters in the NU tier when set-up. Additionally, the negative -1 drops to its defenses with Shell Smash open the door for fighting-types with priority such as Mach Punch Hitmontop/chan and Vacuum Wave Blaziken. Additionally, Cloyster can function as an effective hazard setter and Rapid Spin user, as well as suicide lead. It is very diverse, has a powerful punch, and has limited checks. With that in mind, we recommend a suspect test for this behemoth which may just be too much for NU. Noteworthy sets? Shell Smash: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard, Rock Blast/Pin Missile/Explosion, Shell Smash (Adamant or Jolly Nature w/ White Herb or Life Orb) Mixed: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard, Hydro Pump, Shell Smash (Rash or Naive Nature w/ White Herb or Life Orb) Choice Scarf: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard, Rock Blast, Razor Shell/Pin Missile (Adamant or Jolly Nature w/ Choice Scarf) Defensive: Icicle Spear, Ice Shard/Toxic, Spikes/Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spin (Impish or Relaxed Nature w/ Leftovers) Noteworthy calcs? Slowking Spoiler +2 252 Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowking: 140-170 (69.3 - 84.1%) -- approx. 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 Atk Cloyster Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Slowking: 280-340 (138.6 - 168.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cloyster: 94-112 (75.2 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 105-124 (84 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Qwilfish Spoiler +1 252 Atk Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Qwilfish: 75-90 (43.6 - 52.3%) -- approx. 2% chance to 2HKO 4 Atk Qwilfish Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 27-33 (21.6 - 26.4%) -- 3% chance to 4HKO Bronzor Spoiler +2 252 Atk Cloyster Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Bronzor: 135-160 (82.3 - 97.5%) -- approx. 2HKO +2 4 SpA Cloyster Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Bronzor: 124-147 (75.6 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Quagsire Spoiler +2 252 Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Quagsire: 75-90 (37.1 - 44.5%) -- approx. 98.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 31-37 (24.8 - 29.6%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO Hitmontop Spoiler +2 252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Hitmontop: 58-69 (36.9 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk Technician Hitmontop Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 56-68 (44.8 - 54.4%) -- 44.9% chance to 2HKO Hitmonchan Spoiler +2 252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hitmonchan: 67-81 (53.6 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Iron Fist Hitmonchan Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 50-60 (40 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Blaziken Spoiler +2 252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blaziken: 37-44 (23.8 - 28.3%) -- 93.2% chance to 4HKO 252 SpA Blaziken Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cloyster: 114-134 (91.2 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Blaziken Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Cloyster: 128-152 (102.4 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Clefable Spoiler 252 Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Clefable: 80-105 (39.6 - 51.9%) -- approx. 3HKO after Leftovers recovery *A +2 boost via Shell Smash with White Herb was used for these calcs. This represents what is likely the most anticipated set in the NU tier. Edited April 5, 2023 by DoubleJ Zymogen, Imperial and repposh 3 Link to comment
Zokuru Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Well, apparently people are unable to win with this. It still appears overpowered to me but statistics haven't shown it yet. Maybe with future metagame development we will see it being problematic but for the moment this discussion should probably be ended. gbwead and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted April 14, 2023 Author Share Posted April 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Zokuru said: Well, apparently people are unable to win with this. It still appears overpowered to me but statistics haven't shown it yet. Maybe with future metagame development we will see it being problematic but for the moment this discussion should probably be ended. A little early to call it quits, but Cloyster certainly seems manageable right now. Interesting since it has such outstanding coverage. LowFatKebab 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 C'mon where are the 'trode and Cloy combos? Where are the CB sets at? Let's break some walls fam. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 After a prolonged review, the Tier Council has voted and determined that Cloyster does not meet ban criteria for the [NU] tier. It appears Cloyster has found a home. @Munya you may close this thread, thank you. Queza 1 Link to comment
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