Munya Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Final month of the season. 4.75% to move up, 3.75% to go down. To OU from UU: Bronzong 4.92% To UU from OU: Togekiss 3.09% Kabutops 3.48% Additionally the following BL1 pokemon are being unbanned, the rest are OU by usage. TC will be given quicker agency to ban things if the need arises. Porygon2 Staraptor Haxorus Lucario Discuss whatever you feel needs to be discussed in relation to these movements. Whated, Imperial, SnowMoon and 12 others 4 1 8 1 1 Link to comment
Imperial Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) After looking at the October 2024 Movement announcement, I think it's officially safe to say that this tier is doomed and I advise everyone to stay away from this as far as possible. Blissey Cofagrigus Salamence Shaymin Entei Kabutops Togekiss Not to mention Sun/Rain in general... Bronzong moving up to OU as well, good luck guys. Edited September 27 by Imperial terrencelo, GautSam, bobliu and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Sargeste Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Just unban everything at this point. You cannot be serious allowing Togekiss to drop into a tier already in shambles. Imperial, Doctor, GautSam and 7 others 10 Link to comment
bobliu Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Well, this movement is quite unexpected terrencelo, skyluxNG and Shadow 2 1 Link to comment
Imperial Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sargeste said: Just unban everything at this point. You cannot be serious allowing Togekiss to drop into a tier already in shambles. Let's see if we get the standard response "We don't know what the Pokemon will be like in the tier yet, let's see what happens and if it's an issue we can create a suspect test for 1-2 months letting the threats roam around the tier" I also note that Kingdra is currently listed as BL1 so surely that means Kabutops should as well? You either ban both, or unban both (when/if Kingdra eventually drops down to UU). Borderline Darmanitan Haxorus Lucario Kingdra Porygon2 Staraptor Edited September 27 by Imperial Sargeste, Scootter, GautSam and 2 others 5 Link to comment
terrencelo Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 kabutops in uu is carzy GautSam, Imperial and YourAngst 3 Link to comment
SoftCreamyFluff Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 When we lost Empoleon we got Bronzong for it, but taking away Bronzong plus releasing 2 monsters in the tier is the nail in the coffin. subzi, GautSam, terrencelo and 1 other 4 Link to comment
GautSam Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Now watch Salamence being more annoying. Toge will also be annoying. We can just run scarf and even blissey won't be able to stop that without Luck. It'll just flinch everything to death lol. Without any SpDef steel types meta will be worse. Imperial, YourAngst, SoftCreamyFluff and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Matthzinxl Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 😂 😂 😂 😂😂😂 Edited September 27 by Matthzinxl Link to comment
terrencelo Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Can empoleon back? YourAngst and GautSam 2 Link to comment
Imperial Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 5 minutes ago, GautSam said: Now watch Salamence being more annoying. Toge will also be annoying. We can just run scarf and even blissey won't be able to stop that without Luck. It'll just flinch everything to death lol. Without any SpDef steel types meta will be worse. I feel the CM Air Slash Roost Heal Bell set is going to run riot, or even Nasty Plot terrencelo, GautSam and YourAngst 3 Link to comment
Doctor Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Bronzong going out and Togekiss moving in feels like a bad taste joke and I don't even play the format terrencelo, GautSam, scootysauce and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
GautSam Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 minute ago, Imperial said: I feel the CM Air Slash Roost Heal Bell set is going to run riot, or even Nasty Plot Tbh any toge set is viable. Scarfed calm mind/nasty plot. It's not easy to stop that unless outspeed it with any mon that can 0hko. But it's also bulky. So it's very difficult to stop it. And having no defensive counters isn't healthy for the tier. Now we have to have 1-2 toge answers all the time and also Sala. Imperial 1 Link to comment
GautSam Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Just now, Doctor said: Bronzong going out and Togekiss moving in feels like a bad taste joke and I don't even play the format That's what I'm also thinking. Idk why they thought it'll be good. Well I just hope it gets Quick banned otherwise everyone know what's coming. terrencelo, YourAngst and Doctor 3 Link to comment
Lumiere Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 39 minutes ago, Imperial said: After looking at the October 2024 Movement announcement, I think it's officially safe to say that this tier is doomed and I advise everyone to stay away from this as far as possible. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the potential tiershifts based on usage. It's not an announcement, they are not taking effect inmediately until monday, this if everyone in TC is okay with it. Anyways, I'm against both Togekiss and Kabutops, reasoning its quite obvious. GautSam 1 Link to comment
TohnR Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) With Bronzong being gone, there is officially no specially defensive pokemon that resists Flying or Dragon available in the tier. (You can count Rotom-Heat/Gigalith for Flying, altho Dragon is a lot more iffy) 1. That implies that Togekiss absolutely can't drop down to UU, as there are NO answers to Air Slash available. No need to even pull out the uncompetitive argument here, it would be offensive uber in the tier. 2. That also implies that Salamence has to go UUBL because there are NO safe answers to any of Salamence STABs left. 3. That also implies that Shaymin has to go UUBL because its main flaw (4 moves syndrome) would be no longer without Bronzong and Salamence, which required a specific Hidden Power to be handled by Shaymin. On the other hand, Kabutops will just be another rain abuser and I don't really see it as a problem. It's not ban worthy at all. Quagsire checks it (with water absorb), Poliwrath checks it, Toxicroak checks it, and let's not forget about the defensive grass homies (Shaymin, Venu, Mowtom...). If you want to ban something, ban drizzle, but Kabutops is not inherently broken. Edited September 27 by TohnR GautSam 1 Link to comment
Lumiere Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 39 minutes ago, Sargeste said: Just unban everything at this point. You cannot be serious allowing Togekiss to drop into a tier already in shambles. This process is currently about to take effect, the vote was opened a while ago, among the people who proposed to do this, we are on board from day one, it just hasn't been done yet because the voting process has not finished yet (some votes missing). From my part, I have voted for the BL reset from the first day of voting, I think that's what we currently need. It is also important to mention that if this process is carried out, we will have the power to re-ban things faster than usual. bobliu and Sargeste 2 Link to comment
Imperial Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 The perfect team: - Porygon2 - Haxorus - Salamence - Togekiss - Lucario - Staraptor Ez Scootter, terrencelo and GautSam 3 Link to comment
TohnR Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Lumiere said: This process is currently about to take effect, the vote was opened a while ago, among the people who proposed to do this, we are on board from day one, it just hasn't been done yet because the voting process has not finished yet (some votes missing). From my part, I have voted for the BL reset from the first day of voting, I think that's what we currently need. It is also important to mention that if this process is carried out, we will have the power to re-ban things faster than usual. This is a bad idea really. There's nothing wrong with long banlists, unbanning everything is not going to stabilize anything. Adding Staraptor for instance, when Bronzong is leaving, is absolutely insane. Having access to Haxorus and Lucario is going to restrict immensely the metagame, and would make most other physical setups completely irrelevant. You would have literally a dozen of mons dropping to NU which would then make NU extremely unstable as a consequence. You would end up with NU with Feraligatr, Spiritomb, Arcanine, Durant, Snorlax, Heracross, Medicham, Flygon ... Edited September 27 by TohnR Bertolfoso, terrencelo, GautSam and 1 other 4 Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Can we please stop this nonsense? Why is TC opening 2 mence threads, 2 entei threads, 1 Blissey threads, 2 shaymins threads? What is this? Stop trying to "fix" this trash meta with more bans, it's clearly not working. Release the BL mons already. PoseidonWrath, SweeTforU, Bertolfoso and 4 others 3 2 1 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) I think these movements should be on hold until we get the key discussions sorted. Mostly impactfully the new possible policy regarding holding a Pokemon in lower tier despite the usage movement if TC and community are in full agreement that it improves the metagame. Furthermore, the possible BL reset should be resolved until new Pokemon (possibly even more broken than our current BLs) are released in UU tier. Edit: From my own behalf, I hope everything is sorted asap so UU has some kind of a new clear direction. Releasing Toge and Kabu and banning Bronzong would make things just even more difficult to resolve in its current state. Double edit: As long as we use usage as the basis of our tiering (and it has so we have to live with it), NU is always going to be on a windy ride. The primary goal in my opinion is to try to make UU somewhat stable so NU can start to form itself. Edited September 27 by OrangeManiac Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Drop everything. We don't need more delays on top of even more delays. "Let's wait for the next update." "Let's wait for the season to end." "Let's fix the tiering policy." "Let's open up 6 different threads for Salamence, Shaymin, Entei and Blissey all at the same time..." Excuses after excuses. This is not something you can put on hold forever. The community will always cry about movements. It's normal for players to get attached to the tier they play, but if TC keeps giving into their demands we would still be playing Meganium in UU like we did in 2016. If more OU mons get added to the game, the old OU mons will naturally drop to UU. UU players need to accept it and stop holding on to their outdated tier. They can go play NU if they still want to keep playing their Gigalith and Magneton. Under Used is the tier for mons that do not get a chance to shine in OU. If Togekiss and Kabutops don't get to shine in OU, that makes them UU. If you don't like it, go play with Pachima and his untiered mons. Cristi, TohnR, Bertolfoso and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
Necroze Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Stall is the current meta and now dropping togekiss to UU? Bruh PoseidonWrath and Stokes 1 1 Link to comment
Imperial Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 14 minutes ago, gbwead said: Drop everything. We don't need more delays on top of even more delays. "Let's wait for the next update." "Let's wait for the season to end." "Let's fix the tiering policy." "Let's open up 6 different threads for Salamence, Shaymin, Entei and Blissey all at the same time..." Excuses after excuses. This is not something you can put on hold forever. The community will always cry about movements. It's normal for players to get attached to the tier they play, but if TC keeps giving into their demands we would still be playing Meganium in UU like we did in 2016. If more OU mons get added to the game, the old OU mons will naturally drop to UU. UU players need to accept it and stop holding on to their outdated tier. They can go play NU if they still want to keep playing their Gigalith and Magneton. Under Used is the tier for mons that do not get a chance to shine in OU. If Togekiss and Kabutops don't get to shine in OU, that makes them UU. If you don't like it, go play with Pachima and his untiered mons. Tiers may be dictated by usage but that doesn't mean everything should be allowed in the tier, some things are just blatantly broken because of power creep, being too centralizing etc... I think the core issue is the time to act on certain decisions which so far has been much longer than it should be. terrencelo, bobliu and TohnR 3 Link to comment
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