Popular Post OldKeith Posted June 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Hey, champ in the making! Here we will explore the detailed costs of your next breeding project. To begin with, if you are new to the breeding mechanics, the best place to start from is Gilan's guide. Before you start, make sure to double-check your Egg Groups. The method used will be the simple and (hopefully most) efficient one: Start from a female of the desired Species, with the desired Egg Moves, Nature and assumed 0x31 IVs. Please note that this is a worst case scenario of breeding, in which your wild breeds are all 1x31. In reality you may skip some of these steps if you catch a 2x31. We will ignore the price of pokeballs used for 0x31 wild catches, because they greatly vary (100 pokeballs cost 20,000, so they are not THAT expensive). But from there on, every detail is calculated. The 0x31 natured female is bred with pre-prepared males of 1x31, 2x31, 3x31, 4x31, 5x31 and 6x31, using everstone+brace on each breed. It depends how many 31s you need, if you only need a 4x31 natured comp, you stop after the 4x31 male. Thanks to PandaJJ, we have now estimated the average number of wild catches and associated costs required, on average, to ensure we have all the 1x31s we need for each step. Each rectangle is a 1x31, 2x31 up to 6x31 MALE of the desired EGG GROUP. Start with a 0x31 FEMALE with egg moves ($600 for 3 pokeballs, parents and baby). Gender Selection +1. Pass the nature to the EGG MOVE FEMALE ($400 for 2 pokeballs, father and baby, 1 everstone). Gender Selection +1. Preliminary total $1,000 + 1 everstone + 2 gender selections. IV Breeding will commence: Each breed will obtain you an additional 1x31, and the MALE breed always has to have 1 more 31 than the FEMALE. Add the cost of each male in rectangles, depending on how many 31s you need. Add the cost of a pokeball ($200) for each breed, for the baby. Add 1 everstone and $15,000 (brace) for each breed. Add female gender selection cost for each breed, excluding the last one. A 2x31 comp (e.g. Diglett) costs: 1,000 + 1,200 + 37,400 + 400 + 30,000 + 3 everstones + 3 gender selections = $70,000 + 3 everstones + $0/ $15,000/ $27,000/ $63,000 (gender rarity) = $70,000-133,000 + 3 everstones A 3x31 comp (e.g. Shuckle) costs: 1,000 + 1,200 + 37,400 + 104,600 + 600 + 45,000 + 4 everstones + 4 gender selections = $189,800 + 4 everstones + $0/ $20,000/ $36,000/ $84,000 (gender rarity) = $189,800-273,800 + 4 eversones A 4x31 comp (e.g. Chansey) costs: 1,000 + 1,200 + 37,400 + 104,600 + 239,200 + 800 + 60,000 + 5 everstones + 5 gender selections = $444,200 + 5 everstones + $0/ $25,000/ $45,000/ $105,000 (gender rarity) = $444,200-549,200 + 5 everstones A 5x31 comp (most common) costs: 1,000 + 1,200 + 37,400 + 104,600 + 239,200 + 508,400 + 1,000 + 75,000 + 6 everstones + 6 gender selections = $967,800 + 6 everstones + $0/ $30,000/ $54,000/ $126,000 (gender rarity) = $967,800-1,093,800 + 6 everstones A 6x31 comp (any mixed attacker) costs: 1,000 + 1,200 + 37,400 + 104,600 + 239,200 + 508,400 + 1,047,000 + 1,200 + 90,000 + 7 everstones + 7 gender selections = $2,030,000 + 7 everstones + $0/ $35,000/ $63,000/ $147,000 (gender rarity) = $2,030,000-2,177,000 + 7 everstones Same goes for Hidden power breeding. Same costs, just replace the desired IV with 30. In some cases, one stat is negligible, making you able to breed for a 5xIV pokemon, but in the other times you will need full control of all 6 IVs. NEW! List of Hidden Powers that do not need a fixed Attack IV (can be bred as a 5x natured): [spoiler] Fighting EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN EVEN/ODD/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN ODD/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVENODD/ODD/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN Flying ODD/EVEN/ODD/EVEN/EVEN/EVENODD/ODD/ODD/EVEN/EVEN/EVEN Ground ODD/EVEN/ODD/EVEN/EVEN/ODDODD/ODD/ODD/EVEN/EVEN/ODD Rock ODD/EVEN/EVEN/ODD/EVEN/EVEN ODD/ODD/EVEN/ODD/EVEN/EVEN Bug ODD/EVEN/ODD/ODD/EVEN/EVENODD/ODD/ODD/ODD/EVEN/EVEN Grass EVEN/EVEN/ODD/EVEN/ODD/ODDEVEN/ODD/ODD/EVEN/ODD/ODD Electric EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/ODD/ODD/EVEN EVEN/ODD/EVEN/ODD/ODD/EVEN Ice EVEN/EVEN/EVEN/ODD/ODD/ODD EVEN/ODD/EVEN/ODD/ODD/ODD Dragon EVEN/EVEN/ODD/ODD/ODD/ODD EVEN/ODD/ODD/ODD/ODD/ODD[/spoiler] Edited July 9, 2015 by OldKeith OrangeManiac, RyoOhsora, SirAlbert and 31 others 34 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 If you notice any mistakes, or have an even more efficient way of breeding, let me know here! Link to comment
ObamaExNo2 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Wow! This is awesome and a great help! Thanks for making this! GokuSSGSS 1 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'd wish you would have done this before I did it for myself a few weeks ago xD Link to comment
Viking Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 i dont understand people who breed 6*31 pokemons lol. Actually 3*31 + nature is pretty nice for a comp. OldKeith 1 Link to comment
Darkshade Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 This is a really neat idea. Nice Gym Guide reference. Bestfriends 1 Link to comment
Kiliminati Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Holy shit Keith, this is impressive. ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) I noticed some minor mistakes/costs I have overseen. Not affecting the overall costs that much though, but I will correct them once I come up with a rough wild catch total pokeball cost estimation. Things to add: Cost for obtaining a 0x31 natured female, depending on the gender choice cost. Cost for female-only pokemon. Individual total cost outcomes for gender rarity. Cost of estimated average wild catches required to obtain all 1x31 breeders required (rough). Edited June 17, 2015 by OldKeith Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Thanks for the support guys. Bestfriends 1 Link to comment
YettoDie Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Thanks Keith, this is quite impressive. But did you take in consideration getting the 1x31s? Spending the balls on that? Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Thanks Keith, this is quite impressive. But did you take in consideration getting the 1x31s? Spending the balls on that? Things to add: Cost for obtaining a 0x31 natured female, depending on the gender choice cost. Cost for female-only pokemon. Individual total cost outcomes for gender rarity. Cost of estimated average wild catches required to obtain all 1x31 breeders required (rough). Thanks and yes, it is on a to-do list. The total additions will not be that substantial, maybe 50-100k more at most. Edited June 17, 2015 by OldKeith YettoDie 1 Link to comment
UltimateKid Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 This is really amazing keith Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Updated and (I believe) complete. Edited June 29, 2015 by OldKeith Link to comment
Noad Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Moving to the main guide section and adding to the Guide Tavern Index. OldKeith and Bestfriends 2 Link to comment
Gilan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Linked to in my guide. This is very helpful. OldKeith and Bestfriends 2 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Linked to in my guide. This is very helpful. Thanks. Pretty sure confirmed IVs will make it even more relevant. Gilan and Bestfriends 2 Link to comment
bigbangattack Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) I noticed u put the everstones as free into the equation which maybe why it costs me so much to make a comp lol Edited June 29, 2015 by Noad Please use the edit function instead of double posting, thank you~ Link to comment
OldKeith Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I noticed u put the everyone's as free into the equation which maybe why it costs me so much to make a comp lol Because everstones do not have a set value and they can vary depending on demand and supply, I did not assign them a value. You can farm them, unlike the other breeding elements (braces, pokeballs). An everstone is roughly 20k if you really want to buy them, and only 6 everstones for a 5x31 is not that much imo. Link to comment
OldKeith Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Updated: Breeding for hidden power regardless of the attack IV. Arimanius and SirAlbert 2 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Updated: Breeding for hidden power regardless of the attack IV. This is cool, so bad u can't do that for fire T.T OldKeith 1 Link to comment
bl0nde Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) very nice post keith 10/10. [url=https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/51028-list-of-easy-to-catch-pokemon-from-different-egg-groups-and-their-locations/]this[/url] is a great accompanying guide to go beside yours with the "part II egg groups". Edited July 6, 2015 by bl0nde Link to comment
OldKeith Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 very nice post keith 10/10. this is a great accompanying guide to go beside yours with the "part II egg groups". Thanks! gonna add it to the main. Link to comment
salvadorc17 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I support this, the breeding is requiered to have lower cost, to allow lower levels player use of it... Link to comment
YettoDie Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I support this, the breeding is requiered to have lower cost, to allow lower levels player use of it... These are the cost considering you have to start with 64x1x31 pokes, which isnt needed for many pokes, having said that 31 is only needed in 2 or 3 of the stats. conclusion you maybe need like 200-300k per comp to make. Link to comment
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