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just as munya does not speak for staff when he types, not everyone in this thread speaks for off topic as a living entity. pls remember this when considering nuking ot.

 

Of course I don't, the moderator tag hasn't been removed yet but I am not staff so speaking for them isn't possible even if i wanted to.

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I think I understand what Munya is saying. It's not that everyone that knows OT regulars is going to be biased, but it is more likely for them to be biased towards the community there. Doesn't mean Deej modding or Gilga modding is going to result in them favouring specific members over others, or slacking on rules that need to be enforced (links to porn, gore, etc). 

 

I think that Deej or Gilga are capable but then again I am biased because they're so cute and I can't resist that. 

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I just want OT back ;_;

 

 

no but for real, just give the job to someone in OT that will do the job right. Gilga,Deej,Fuck King, and maybe OS if he even wants it. Idgaf at this point. If given the position of authority, I guarantee they will handle it correctly. Just because we post some pretty stupid shit sometimes doesn't mean we can't be responsible and unbiased. 

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Maybe we could moderate it ourselves? I mean players do have that nice little "report" button on the bottom right of the screen. Doesn't really take a genius to realize if a post is shit or not, and then a moderator could at least take a look at the post and make a decision for themselves.

 

Regarding which threads NOT to remove:

 

[TV] Game of Thrones

Thou Shalt Becometh Swoll

[TV] TheWalkingDead

 

These are threads that I post in regularly and they tend to get a lot of action throughout the year. GoT and TWD are pretty seasonal though and are mostly only seen when their respective series are being aired. 

 

 

EDIT: There are countless other highly visited threads, but these are just the few that I would like to see stay. 

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Maybe we could moderate it ourselves? I mean players do have that nice little "report" button on the bottom right of the screen. Doesn't really take a genius to realize if a post is shit or not, and then a moderator could at least take a look at the post and make a decision for themselves.

 

Regarding which threads NOT to remove:

 

[TV] Game of Thrones

Thou Shalt Becometh Swoll

[TV] TheWalkingDead

 

These are threads that I post in regularly and they tend to get a lot of action throughout the year. GoT and TWD are pretty seasonal though and are mostly only seen when their respective series are being aired. 

 

 

EDIT: There are countless other highly visited threads, but these are just the few that I would like to see stay. 

alright i will allow for GoT and Swoll thread to stay but walking dead I cant promise

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We'll give you more information as we get it, as of now there is nothing new to pass on.

 

Thank you for your patience.

 

Thank you for actually replying, I was ignoring this thread because I thought it was more of a lost cause than Heroes by season 2.

 

How would Off Topic posters feel about not having a set moderator for the section? Instead it would just be looked at by Global Mods+ to make sure all is okay (a bit like how General is modded except more off topic-ish). 

 

Another thing I wanted to ask - if we were to clean up the section a little bit what would be the threads that are important to stay (Laidback, Anime, Swoll ect).

 

Personally I feel like there should be a good mix between jokey stuff but also some "serious" discussions. An example of this would be the Cyber Bullying thread and the Fat Acceptance. Both were interesting topics that and I feel a lot of posters had great points they wanted to contribute. In the end though I noticed that people tried to derail them both, in my opinion this shouldn't be allowed. Maybe there could be a way to distinguish between the more serious threads and the normal OT threads where posts are more free ect. 

 

That depends! I'd slightly prefer an OT regular being the mod, but as long as the globals don't overreact, there shouldn't be an issue. As for the threads that should stay, I dunno. Definitely all of the big threads like Music, VGMs, Smash (biased), et cetera. I'd keep the rest, too. Maybe that's too much to hope for, but it's not like I see the problem with OT in the first place--moot point, I know. 

 

In the case of serious, topical discussion threads such as the two underlined above, I have to vote in favour of letting them die naturally as opposed to sneaking up behind them with a garotte wire. Any serious opinion thread is bound to run out of steam eventually, for the reasons DJ explained; everyone's already said their piece. When that happens, it usually devolves into light-hearted joking for a few pages, and dies. Just let it die. Locking it is pointless; natural selection will do its job soon, and in the meantime, people get a few good laughs. Or bad memes.

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Respect must be given before an expected return.


You're right but there is one issue with that. None is given to mods who do respect you at all. Respect is a two way street. Either drive the right way on it or get wrecked.

This underscores a different issue too that is outside of just off topic.
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None is given to mods who do respect you at all. 

Here you are wrong. Not going too far, Daft had already gained the respect of several OT regulars, not because he was entitled to it, but because he gained it himself showing that he actually cared for the community...

 

unfortunately god only knows whose terrible idea drove him into a corner, which led us all to where we are now.

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Here you are wrong. Not going too far, Daft had already gained the respect of several OT regulars, not because he was entitled to it, but because he gained it himself showing that he actually cared for the community...

unfortunately god only knows whose terrible idea drove him into a corner, which led us all to where we are now.


From what I can see he drove himself into a corner but that is irrelevant. The relevant part is that you are wrong. Look at what happens anytime someone breaks a rule and gets punished. 9/10 times the rest of the community riots and says it was a bad decision regardless of the fact that the person broke the rules. I've also seen this in game trying to help as well. A mod can be the nicest person in the world to everyone and still not get any respect. The notion that no mods respect the community is false. As I said, respect is a two way street so either drive the right way or get wrecked.
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From what I can see he drove himself into a corner but that is irrelevant. The relevant part is that you are wrong. Look at what happens anytime someone breaks a rule and gets punished. 9/10 times the rest of the community riots and says it was a bad decision regardless of the fact that the person broke the rules. I've also seen this in game trying to help as well. A mod can be the nicest person in the world to everyone and still not get any respect. The notion that no mods respect the community is false. As I said, respect is a two way street so either drive the right way or get wrecked.

 

The mod need just to have common sense. Punish only when necessary, and especially, not punish all to educate one. 

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I'm not sure respect is really a huge matter for us.

I mean, moderation could practically be done anonymously.

You're all aware of the list of moderators, sure, but it wouldn't really matter if you guys knew or not who keeps an eye out on offtopic, if it's one guy or a whole team.

 

Optimally, all we'd do is keep away the spam, keep away flaming, keep away anything inappropriate, anything that looks bad for an outsider to visit the forum and see "man this community sucks". That, and keeping the place organized, easily acessible, with relevant and interesting topics.

 

To me, tt's fairly objective what is to be considered an inappropriate post. If say there's a post that goes

 

Get out of here you fucking uguu. nobody likes you lol

You'd mostly agree that it's probably worth hiding, right?

Except, say it's one user who usually says this kind of stuff, who you know is kidding because he's telling this to his best friend, and everyone knows this is his best friend.

You guys would want us to know you guys well enough to be able to make this distinction, and maybe even leave that post alone.

Thing is, doesn't really matter if it's a joke or not, if it's breaking rules it warrants a removal. Should be transparent enough from the perspective of an outsider.

 

Slap an "imo" on that whole paragraph so I'm not talking on behalf of all of the staff base.

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The mod need just to have common sense. Punish only when necessary, and especially, not punish all to educate one.


That's not the point at all. From the sound of what you're saying it sounds like a weak justification of rule breaking. I've seen the complaint of mods interfering too much instead of only responding to reports but the problem is that a small fraction of rule violations ever get reported. You want to self moderate you have to show you can handle that.
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If you respect someone or not doesn't matter. What matters is if you can at least treat them with decency. I may not respect people but it's not like I am going to yell at them or slam a door in their face. Let's put aside our personal ideas of morals and ideas of respect and just communicate properly. We don't have to spend time admiring one another or seeking one another's approval. It's clear that some staff dislike some or all of the OT community and that is fine, as long as we're treated the same way as other members. I don't always feel like that happens, especially since reinstating OT has been put on the back burner. I have threads I'd like to make and although I am not entitled to this, nor is it my right, I would damn well like to be able to now. In fact I would sincerely appreciate it if some actions were taken and progress was made. I apologize for seeming blunt and harsh but I do think this has become a bit absurd and has been a bit drawn out. 

 

Mind you I don't feel like the community treats the staff well enough on occasion but this is the ENTIRE community, and not just localized to OT regulars. 

 

Sorry for my impatience but I can't help but feel putting this "work" on yourselves (as staff) was unnecessary. 

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Nope, i think self moderating will not work, but having a mod that is gonna litterally follow rules everytime, like a machine, without using some common sense, isn't gonna work too. There are lots of cases of other sections and In-Game too where rules are avoided and lots of times staff just looks away. I can put name here but i won't ( since they will be removed in 0,2 seconds anyway ).

 

I don't want an off topic where everyone can do what the fuck he wants, but a place where you can chill out and have fun. 

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I do think it would be absurd to remove every playful joke against another player. There is a difference between me telling King to fuck off and me telling a new member to fuck off. Unfortunately this can make moderation a bit more difficult but I have confidence that staff can handle it - just as they have in the past. 

 

[spoiler] p.s. King can fuck off[/spoiler] 

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What we want is more freedom in Off-Topic to be able to post something without worrying that the mods are going to take it the wrong way and hide/lock our posts/threads. Just because I call King a shitter doesn't mean I'm actually calling him a shitter. It's just friendly banter. Like you can't sit there and say banter is rule breaking when we had an entire thread dedicated to people's shitty taste in things. It was a successful thread too.

 

We also had a thread dedicated to people's edgy phases in their early teens that was pretty well received and, if I remember correctly since I can't look at it right now, had no insults. We literally had threads that were just asking for the insults to come flying in but they didn't, and the threads weren't messed with.

 

I'm not going to say we're capable of self moderation, because there are still things that need to be moderated, but they need to be moderated by somebody who knows what to moderate and how to moderate it.

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so from what I just read, it seems like the forum's appearance to outside visitors is of some concern. Therefore, wouldn't the idea of having a warning/consent page before viewing OT content be ideal and solve a lot, if not all, of the issues that everyone is discussing right now? Or is a warning/consent page just not feasible on these forums?

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What we want is more freedom in Off-Topic to be able to post something without worrying that the mods are going to take it the wrong way and hide/lock our posts/threads. Just because I call King a shitter doesn't mean I'm actually calling him a shitter. It's just friendly banter.

 

That's great, you or I may be aware of that but a new user and anybody looking in from the outside isn't.

All they are going to see is one user calling another a 'shitter' and that being considered acceptable behavior.

 

This isn't your Facebook wall, I don't care how friendly you are with someone; speak to others as you would in public.

 

 

so from what I just read, it seems like the forum's appearance to outside visitors is of some concern. Therefore, wouldn't the idea of having a warning/consent page before viewing OT content be ideal and solve a lot, if not all, of the issues that everyone is discussing right now? Or is a warning/consent page just not feasible on these forums?

 

We're not going to do that.

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