So, I guess its kinda bad faith of me wanting to try seperate arena trap from duggy in this discussion. (Although I strongly disagree with the notion that the problem might be dugtrio and not AT, I think its the otherway round, but that being said you can give a caterpie AT but at the end of the day its still a caterpie, an ability can still be problematic even if the pokemon with the ability cannot properly take advantage of it, same reason why shadow tag pre-nerf was so problematic.) So m