TheWizardZ Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (Consider Max IVs) Jolteon Spoiler Ability: Volt AbsorbItem: Lum berryNature: TimidEvs: 252 Satk and Speed.Moveset: Thunderbolt Substitute Wish Hidden Power Ice Dusclops Spoiler Item: LeftoversNature: BoldEvs: 252 Hp + 252 DefMoveset: Will-o-Wisp Pain Split Shadow Ball Ice Beam Metagross Spoiler Ability: Clear BodyItem: Choice BandNature: AdamantEvs: 252 HP + 252 ATKMoveset: Earthquake Thunder Punch Meteor Mash Double Edge Swampert Spoiler Ability: Torrent Item: Leftovers Nature: Relaxed or Impish (Dont know which one yet) Evs: 252 HP/ 216 DEF/40 SP DEF Moveset: Waterfall Ice Punch Earthquake Roar Flygon Spoiler Item: Special Choice Band (Is there such a thing? Otherwise Lum Berry)Nature: Rash Ability: LevitateEvs: 140 ATK+ 252 SP ATK+ 116 SpeedMoveset: SuperPower Earthquake Fire Blast Giga Drain Breloom Spoiler Item: Leftovers (Really like this item :D)Nature: Adamant Ability: Effect SporeEvs: 52 HP/252 Atk/204 Spe Moveset: Spore Focus Punch Hidden Power Rock Swords Dance Link to comment
KOHHuiXIN Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 47 minutes ago, TheWizardZ said: Breloom Hide contents Item: Leftovers (Really like this item :D)Nature: Adamant Ability: Effect SporeEvs: 52 HP/252 Atk/204 Spe Moveset: Spore Focus Punch Hidden Power Rock Swords Dance Please note that there is a special/physical split and hidden power rock has no reason to be on an adamant Breloom Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Jolteon is better off using Leftovers or Life Orb depending if you want it to stay for longer or hit harder. Most common sets I see lately are Wish+Growth/Heal Bell+Tbolt+Hp Ice or Growth+Tbolt+HP Ice+Signal Beam/Hyper Voice or Substitute+Toxic+Tbolt+HP Ice. Dusclops doesn't really do anything with that set, Arcanine/Milotic are free switches and can just Toxic you since you have no Toxic switches for those outside Metagross, which really wouldn't want to come in vs a Flame/Surf. So you should probably consider something like Seismic+Toxic/Sleep Talk+WoW+Rest and invest SP Def Evs on it. Metagross CB should run speed to outpace some walls or even some wallbreakers like Ada max speed Swampert/Jolly Ursaring/etc. Aim for 113/117 or even 122 speed with Meta imo. Also no point using Double Edge, Pursuit/Trick are better choices. Swampert set you got there looks like free Skarmory switch and you have no spinner. I'd probably consider CB Swampert or Mixed HP Elec or just remove it to place a spinner on ur team like Cloyster/Starmie. Flygon looks interesting but I doubt you accomplish much with that set. You probably won't want to stay locked on EQ with a Specs band for example, slap a Life Orb on it and hope it doesn't get walled by like Milotic/Gyarados/etc. Not really a fan of max special Flygon in this game since it doesn't learn any cool special STAB move. CB/Scarf/Mixed Full Attack with Fire Blast are usually your best options. Breloom should not run SD+Focus Punch, makes 0 sense. Either go Substitute+Spore+Focus Punch+Bullet Seed or if you wanna run SD then Superpower+Return/Bullet Seed+Mach Punch/Spore+SD should be what you're looking for. Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 Thanks for the tips, guys. As soon as I get some more time I will do some more Theorycraft on their sets and update the post Link to comment
Crazyhell Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheWizardZ said: (Consider Max IVs) Jolteon Reveal hidden contents Ability: Volt AbsorbItem: Lum berryNature: TimidEvs: 252 Satk and Speed.Moveset: Thunderbolt Substitute Wish Hidden Power Ice Dusclops Reveal hidden contents Item: LeftoversNature: BoldEvs: 252 Hp + 252 DefMoveset: Will-o-Wisp Pain Split Shadow Ball Ice Beam Metagross Reveal hidden contents Ability: Clear BodyItem: Choice BandNature: AdamantEvs: 252 HP + 252 ATKMoveset: Earthquake Thunder Punch Meteor Mash Double Edge Swampert Reveal hidden contents Ability: Torrent Item: Leftovers Nature: Relaxed or Impish (Dont know which one yet) Evs: 252 HP/ 216 DEF/40 SP DEF Moveset: Waterfall Ice Punch Earthquake Roar Flygon Reveal hidden contents Item: Special Choice Band (Is there such a thing? Otherwise Lum Berry)Nature: Rash Ability: LevitateEvs: 140 ATK+ 252 SP ATK+ 116 SpeedMoveset: SuperPower Earthquake Fire Blast Giga Drain Breloom Reveal hidden contents Item: Leftovers (Really like this item :D)Nature: Adamant Ability: Effect SporeEvs: 52 HP/252 Atk/204 Spe Moveset: Spore Focus Punch Hidden Power Rock Swords Dance for fun , for pvp it's bad team 1st , u have no water resist ( fuck breloom does'nt counth ) so Starmie , Gyarados or kingdra Rain dance rape your team u can only RK starmie with jolt or gross full life i tell nothing about Gyara DD jolly ( pray effect spore breloom ) all Venusor can rape you too ( and venu is THE top tier so.... ) he come on breloom and swamp , u have dusclop but he is not a fucking counter nothing for spike too , metagross without pursuit = all psychic ( starmie spec/lo alakazam mentali ) rape you u can't beat milo+venu in the same team 2st WTF lum berry jolt ? with sub ? if sub lefto . LF dusclop double status with wow and tox painsplit/rest ( i think rest if u play jolt heal bell ) and seismictoss 228 hp ( 144hp for the lefto 252 def 28 spé def if pain split ) Metagross put ev in speed seriously fuck showdown here the metagame isn't the same u need ( like Lifestyle said ) outspeed common wall ( milotic venu Bold/calm arcanine relax ) and play pursuit Swamper ! ( fuck showdown again ) relax with all physical atk ? plz , so play relax with hp eleck ( little counter to gyara DD and play for no flinch or crit ) Surf ( weezing ) EQ and tox/protect Flygon ......... mixed full spéatk flygon .... just NO 1 time ok for the troll , play CB or mixed LO full atk Breloom now humm... i pref ignore hp rock , SD focus punch ? no if u play SD play Supower , if u play FP use sub Now i rebuild your team with the same poké , just ev spread and move change : Jolteon : @Leftover Timid 252 spéatk 4Spédef 252 speed Tbolt Hp ice healbell wish u canr un with bulkyjolt if u want ( 156 hp (if 31 iv hp ) 172 spé atk 180 speed ) Heal bell for rest dusclop Dusclop @leftover carreful 228 hp 28 def 252 def spé Rest Wow seismictoss haze here for stall starmie with rapidspin with pressure u ppstall this uguu and u stall venugrowth too Metagross @Life orb Adamant 32hp 252 atk 44def 180 speed meteormash EQ Tpunch Agility THE WALLBREAKER or THE FINISHER depend the game u can play your CB too wit pursuit and fullspeed Swampert @Lefto Relaxed 252hp 212 def 44 spé def Surf HP eleck EQ protect hp eleck for gyara surf for weezing , with jolt heal bell u can take the burn of weezing protect is for check the move of bander and win 1 turn of lefto Flygon @Choiceband Jolly 252atk 4spédef 252 speed Dclaw EQ Tpunch quickatk classic CB with prio Breloom @lifeorb Adamant 252atk 4def 252speed Spore SD Superpower return THE MONSTER after 1SD he OS venu with 0 invest def u can beat weezing too with spore but cry if your oppenant play a ghost ( u can play bulletseed too on return or spore ) +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Breloom Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Venusaur: 171-201 (91.4 - 107.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO if u want replace return i think your team look better now but breloom subpunch always rape you Edited August 27, 2017 by Crazyhell Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Yes, this was manly a fun team which I tried to make competitive. Do you think I should change 1 or 2 pokemons for which ones, in order to make it playable and still fun for PvP? EDIT: I was thinking about changing Breloom for a Blaziken and maybe adding a Venosaur, Arcanine or even a Skarmory somewhere, what do you guys think? Btw, never done any pvp, so... yea Edited August 27, 2017 by TheWizardZ Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 11:15 AM, LifeStyle said: Jolteon is better off using Leftovers or Life Orb depending if you want it to stay for longer or hit harder. Most common sets I see lately are Wish+Growth/Heal Bell+Tbolt+Hp Ice or Growth+Tbolt+HP Ice+Signal Beam/Hyper Voice or Substitute+Toxic+Tbolt+HP Ice. Dusclops doesn't really do anything with that set, Arcanine/Milotic are free switches and can just Toxic you since you have no Toxic switches for those outside Metagross, which really wouldn't want to come in vs a Flame/Surf. So you should probably consider something like Seismic+Toxic/Sleep Talk+WoW+Rest and invest SP Def Evs on it. Metagross CB should run speed to outpace some walls or even some wallbreakers like Ada max speed Swampert/Jolly Ursaring/etc. Aim for 113/117 or even 122 speed with Meta imo. Also no point using Double Edge, Pursuit/Trick are better choices. Swampert set you got there looks like free Skarmory switch and you have no spinner. I'd probably consider CB Swampert or Mixed HP Elec or just remove it to place a spinner on ur team like Cloyster/Starmie. Flygon looks interesting but I doubt you accomplish much with that set. You probably won't want to stay locked on EQ with a Specs band for example, slap a Life Orb on it and hope it doesn't get walled by like Milotic/Gyarados/etc. Not really a fan of max special Flygon in this game since it doesn't learn any cool special STAB move. CB/Scarf/Mixed Full Attack with Fire Blast are usually your best options. Breloom should not run SD+Focus Punch, makes 0 sense. Either go Substitute+Spore+Focus Punch+Bullet Seed or if you wanna run SD then Superpower+Return/Bullet Seed+Mach Punch/Spore+SD should be what you're looking for. What do you think about changing Swampert for a utility Cloyster with Rapid Spin, Spikes, Surf and Explosion? Sounds good enough? Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheWizardZ said: What do you think about changing Swampert for a utility Cloyster with Rapid Spin, Spikes, Surf and Explosion? Sounds good enough? HP Elec or Ice Beam over Explosion HowLXG 1 Link to comment
HowLXG Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Considering you're running Jolteon, Dusclops, Swampert and Breloom, you *really* need to swap out at least one of these for a Pokemon that counters Venusaur. Currently, a calm growth venusaur (which isn't a very uncommon set) can sweep your entire team and also gets a free switch against 2 of your mons. I think Tentacruel, Gardevoir, Skarmory or Forretress (Just a few examples) would be pretty good additions to your team, depending on who you would be willing to replace. Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 18 hours ago, HowLXG said: Considering you're running Jolteon, Dusclops, Swampert and Breloom, you *really* need to swap out at least one of these for a Pokemon that counters Venusaur. Currently, a calm growth venusaur (which isn't a very uncommon set) can sweep your entire team and also gets a free switch against 2 of your mons. I think Tentacruel, Gardevoir, Skarmory or Forretress (Just a few examples) would be pretty good additions to your team, depending on who you would be willing to replace. Well, I actually replaced Swampert for a Utility Cloyster running Ice Beam, Spikes, Rapid Spin and Surf and made Dusclops learn Haze. I dont know if thats enough to counter Venosaur (Just started doing PvP) Although, I like the idea of running Tentacruel. Should I replace Cloyster for it? Was thinking about changing Breloom for a Blaziken as well, what do you think? Link to comment
HowLXG Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheWizardZ said: . Venusaur eats your Cloyster alive. Haze Dusclops can be pretty useful, yeah. About Blaziken... it would help you break some common walls like Skarmory, Forretress, Umbreon and Porygon2. Edited August 29, 2017 by HowLXG Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, HowLXG said: Venusaur eats your Cloyster alive. Haze Dusclops can be pretty useful, yeah. About Blaziken... it would help you break some common walls like Skarmory, Forretress, Umbreon and Porygon2. Do you have any moveset and EV spread in mind for Tentacruel? Since I need it to be both a Spinner and a Venu Threat Edited August 29, 2017 by TheWizardZ Link to comment
HowLXG Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TheWizardZ said: Do you have any moveset and EV spread in mind for Tentacruel? Since I need it to be both a Spinner and a Venu Threat Spinner Tentacruel won't really threaten Venusaur much, it will just wall it (and eventually kill it if it's not running synthesis) For a bulky spinner Tentacruel I'd recommend a Calm nature, 252 HP 252 SPDef with Rapid Spin, Knock off, Ice Beam (Or Sludge Bomb) and Surf. Giga Drain is also an option if you want to surprise Swampert switch ins, but I wouldn't really advise it. Edited August 29, 2017 by HowLXG Kudasai 1 Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, HowLXG said: Spinner Tentacruel won't really threaten Venusaur much, it will just wall it (and eventually kill it if it's not running synthesis) For a bulky spinner Tentacruel I'd recommend a Calm nature, 252 HP 252 SPDef with Rapid Spin, Knock off, Ice Beam (Or Sludge Bomb) and Surf. Giga Drain is also an option if you invest a bit in speed and want to surprise Swampert switch ins, but I wouldn't really advise it. Ok, thanks. Going to update the team as soon as I arrive home!! Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 So after some thought, and using your suggestions, I decided to make my team as follows (If anyone has something to say, I'm still open to ideas :D) : Blaziken Spoiler Nature: Adamant (I already have a Torchic with this nature, so...) Ability: Blaze Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31 EVs: 80 HP / 232 Atk / 196 Spe Moveset: Swords Dance Sky Uppercut Overheat Rock Slide Flygon Spoiler Nature: Jolly (Already have a Trapinch with this Nature) Ability: Levitate Item: Choice Band IVs: All 31, but Spe and Spec. Def (30, both) EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Moveset: Fire Blast Hidden Power (Bug) Rock Slide Earthquake Jolteon Spoiler Nature: Timid Ability: Volt Absorb Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31, but Speed (30) EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Spec. Def / 252 Spe Moveset: Heal Bell Thunderbolt Hidden Power (Ice) Wish Tentacruel Spoiler Nature: Calm Ability: Clear Body Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31 EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spec. Def / 4 Speed Moveset: Sludge Bomb (or maybe Ice Beam, don't know yet) Knock Off Surf Rapid Spin Dusclops Spoiler Nature: Impish Ability: Pressure Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31 EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spec. Def Moveset: Seismic Toss Haze Will-O-Wisp Rest Metagross Spoiler Nature: Adamant Ability: Clear Body Item: Life Orb IVs: All 31 EVs: 32HP/ 252 ATK / 44 DEF / 180 Speed Moveset: Thunder Punch Earthquake Meteor Mash Agility Link to comment
HowLXG Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 8 hours ago, TheWizardZ said: So after some thought, and using your suggestions, I decided to make my team as follows (If anyone has something to say, I'm still open to ideas :D) : Blaziken Hide contents Nature: Adamant (I already have a Torchic with this nature, so...) Ability: Blaze Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31 EVs: 80 HP / 232 Atk / 196 Spe Moveset: Swords Dance Sky Uppercut Overheat Rock Slide Flygon Hide contents Nature: Jolly (Already have a Trapinch with this Nature) Ability: Levitate Item: Choice Band IVs: All 31, but Spe and Spec. Def (30, both) EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Moveset: Fire Blast Hidden Power (Bug) Rock Slide Earthquake Jolteon Reveal hidden contents Nature: Timid Ability: Volt Absorb Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31, but Speed (30) EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Spec. Def / 252 Spe Moveset: Heal Bell Thunderbolt Hidden Power (Ice) Wish Tentacruel Reveal hidden contents Nature: Calm Ability: Clear Body Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31 EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spec. Def / 4 Speed Moveset: Sludge Bomb (or maybe Ice Beam, don't know yet) Knock Off Surf Rapid Spin Dusclops Reveal hidden contents Nature: Impish Ability: Pressure Item: Leftovers IVs: All 31 EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spec. Def Moveset: Seismic Toss Haze Will-O-Wisp Rest Metagross Hide contents Nature: Adamant Ability: Clear Body Item: Life Orb IVs: All 31 EVs: 32HP/ 252 ATK / 44 DEF / 180 Speed Moveset: Thunder Punch Earthquake Meteor Mash Agility Adamant Blaziken should be running: Swords Dance / Blaze Kick / SuperPower (Sky Uppercut is also fine, I guess) / Thunderpunch. If you want a mixed Blaziken, I'd suggest you go with Hasty or Naive. And you're better off going with 252 Att 252 Speed, the extra HP EV's you added won't really help much. Jolly Flygon shouldn't really run a mixed set (Naive and Hasty are much better for mixed Flygon). If you're running Jolly with choice band, go for Dragon Claw / Earthquake / Thunderpunch / Superpower. If you want to run a mixed Flygon, I'd suggest you go for a Naive one (252 Att 252 Speed 6 Spatk EV's) with Dragon Claw / Earthquake / Thunderpunch or Superpower / Fire Blast. Since Jolteon has a 30 Speed IV, 248 Speed EV's are enough. Tentacruel and Dusclops are fine, though Bold or Calm are usually preferred on Dusclops. Lastly, Agility Metagross doesn't need that many Speed EV's, just get enough Speed EV's to hit 101 or 102 speed at level 50 (202 or 204 speed after you use Agility). 88 Speed EV's should be enough if you have 31 speed IV, dump the remaining EV's into HP. Also, I highly doubt you'll get a 6x30/31 Metagross considering it would cost you millions to get one. Link to comment
TheWizardZ Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, HowLXG said: Adamant Blaziken should be running: Swords Dance / Blaze Kick / SuperPower (Sky Uppercut is also fine, I guess) / Thunderpunch. If you want a mixed Blaziken, I'd suggest you go with Hasty or Naive. And you're better off going with 252 Att 252 Speed, the extra HP EV's you added won't really help much. Jolly Flygon shouldn't really run a mixed set (Naive and Hasty are much better for mixed Flygon). If you're running Jolly with choice band, go for Dragon Claw / Earthquake / Thunderpunch / Superpower. If you want to run a mixed Flygon, I'd suggest you go for a Naive one (252 Att 252 Speed 6 Spatk EV's) with Dragon Claw / Earthquake / Thunderpunch or Superpower / Fire Blast. Since Jolteon has a 30 Speed IV, 248 Speed EV's are enough. Tentacruel and Dusclops are fine, though Bold or Calm are usually preferred on Dusclops. Lastly, Agility Metagross doesn't need that many Speed EV's, just get enough Speed EV's to hit 101 or 102 speed at level 50 (202 or 204 speed after you use Agility). 88 Speed EV's should be enough if you have 31 speed IV, dump the remaining EV's into HP. Also, I highly doubt you'll get a 6x30/31 Metagross considering it would cost you millions to get one. Awesome, but you know that physical/special moves doesnt work in gen 1-3 the same way as others generations, right? Blaze Kick is a special move in the game because of that .-. Still, thanks for the suggestions!! Especially on the EVs ( 0 PvP experience so... lol) EDIT: Nevermind. Just checked and it seems they changed that part about gen 3 in-game. Thank god. Going to adapt to your moveset then :) Edited August 30, 2017 by TheWizardZ Kudasai and HowLXG 2 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Ye dont take movesets from gen3 smogon. Shit works differently here, we're kinda like gen 3.5 Link to comment
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