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I'm in. Nick ZorghyH

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[What you think about the rules and punishment system? And what can be better?]

2 hours ago, Minks said:

Also tell me Malorne, that time when you were trying to get some of us to shittalk staff, so you could go and snitch, is that something that would invalidate your opinion on topics like this or nah? 

Unfortunately, since 2013 when i start, a lot of players use this fail of the half relatory, without properly explanations about the infraction, to make a report against others. Using the example of jesus, everyone can make a fake account to send a great amount of gold in the game for mail to report other by RMT, and this will make used like prove. This type of judgment with incomplete relatory open a great door to make fake reports.

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So, are you saying that because it is an unofficial game, players not have right of full defense, or to know exactly why they are being indicted, beyond the generic accusation of the ban? Interesting. Thanks again for your talks, this discussion is important to the community.

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27 minutes ago, Ultrajesus said:

I have a a friend that was  permabanned cuz "RMT", he then went and appealed the ban because he didn't understood why he was banned. The next week a SGM responded, showing him a screenshot of his mailbox receiving a mail with 6m $ from a person with a large historial of Rmt.

Then he replied saying that he obtained the 6m pokeyen of that person because said person organized a tournament with that 1st place prize and uploaded it to Youtube, and of course he won the tour and received the money.

The Smg watching the proofs of his innocence unbanning him and now he's playing happily the game.

TL;DR: Don't quit appeals, staff is not perfect.

This is why i think important the need of transparency, we can appeal propertly. Thanks Jesus!

[What you think about the rules and punishment system? And what can be better?]

Malorne, Is you who are saying this. The discussion is to the whole community, lets wait to see the others opinions, just is it.

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6 minutes ago, Malorne said:

I mean, if the ex-staff is being a smartass u dont really treat them cupcakes...

I think you wouldn't talk to staff like that for certain reasons. So i don't think it's right to talk to anyone like that. Let's make a respectable discussion here, please.

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Well, if that's how they treat a ex-staff who contributed with the community, this is worrying. Unfortunately. Let's try to get back to the focus of discussion, which is knowing people's opinions, and not force any opinion, like someone sayed.

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11 minutes ago, Goku said:

If you have a clean slate like you stated above ^ and that you aren't banned then why are you complaining? Botting and RMT is out of the question. If you got caught it's over. Staff don't perma ban people for free. They need a suffice amount of evidence before they ban a player and it's not just 1 staff doing it. It's like they all investigate and go through evidence before making a final decision.

Well, i dont need be banned for this to talk about transparency, is just a right of everybody. I agree with you about the amount of evidences, and the work of staff, and how this things are bad to the game, but the transparency is a right. Is need know why you are being punished and what they have to punishe you, to be able appeal propertly or accept the guilt proved. Nobody here are talking about no punishe, just about transparency. Thanks for your talk.

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3 minutes ago, Malorne said:

Well, if you do happen to have your own game or managing your own staff, feel free to do so. You cant really dictate what people should do here simply because its not within your best interest. You made a mistake and paid the price for it, either own up or prove that u haven't done it. Incase of RMT, it is really easy to prove if you haven't.

No, i didnt RMT, i dont have any talk about RMT in the forum before this thread, and my history is clear of RMT, and i dont dictade anything, i just trying show an ideia with this community showing arguments. But thanks for join the discussion. You can see this in all my talks.

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I want show this article who talk about court rules to games online: https://luizranselmo.jusbrasil.com.br/artigos/365181808/jogos-online-e-os-banimentos-impostos-pelas-empresas-aos-jogadores 

They say here something like this: 

 

"It should be noted that because it is a consumer relationship, the consumer has by his side the "inversion of the burden of proof", which means that if the person is a customer (player) of the company (game), and had its account banned, FIT THE COMPANY to prove that the ban is legitimate, and that it was a REASONABLE measure to be applied, and it was not excessive and did not cause great harm to the consumer.

When the legitimacy of the ban and its real necessity are not proven, the Player is entitled to have his account released immediately, and also an indemnity for moral damages due to poor rendering of services."

 

So, is a court rule of consumer relantionship and it need be answered, is better to decrease the cases of appeals yet, good for the staff. Think about it.

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I dont see that example before, so sorry for repeat it here. But is to ilustrate what i tryed say.

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2 hours ago, Desu said:

We already regularly show chat excerpts in reply to appeals for chat/behavior based punishments.

Good to read this, but i think important show something in other cases too. The staff may clear doubts about the ban if they give some explanation with evidence in other cases too, to the player can refute or not. Like you talk about RMT, i have a example of these, who may be cleared with the system of  transparency:

 

"I feel this, 9members of my team included me got banned for helping each other and the reason is RMT even we dont involve real money trading we just helping each other and now our team is disbanded because of this accused . so sad but need to accept"

 

If they really trade money the evidence is irrefutable. So, showing evidences in the ban, with date and resume of how this happen exactly can be a best way to separate real appeals of players who just want justify errors. And in the case of botting, how sayed up for someone, the recaptcha is perfect. Is just a ideia.

 

And thanks agains for leave this discussion open, this is important to the community.

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Well, i just think about the need of show evidences in the ban, or make more clear about notices to other things in game. Even a real judgment give a chance of the accused try refute the evidences. But is just what i think and i thank for this discution with all.

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6 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

sorry but it was more bad english than i could handle so i fixed it a bit. i am not a native speaker so it is most likely far from perfect but at least it's better.

Sorry and thanks, i'm not native too, but i'm trying make my best to learn.

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15 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

that sounds oddly similar to a doctor who decide what illness you have instead of finding what it actually is. it can work fine most of the time but it can lead to massive fuck up. you should be carefull about that.

yes, i agree, and i have print of all my chats, and i never talk about RMT in this forum or in game, or anywhere. But lets back to the discution with community, and thank for join the discution.

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2 minutes ago, Desu said:

We're not going to teach you how we detect botting/RMT. Yes, that's what he's complaining about.

thanks for join in discution, but i just talk about more transparency in the relatories, to can be appeal properly. :)

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5 minutes ago, hannahtaylor said:

There's ban appeal for that

yes, because this i think about the need of more details when players are noticed about the infraction, to can appeal properly. 

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Yes, i agree, but everyone have right of be indicted with details, to have chance of explanation. Is, what i think, but let's see other players.

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in other games we have a system of punishment who show relatories with all explanation about the infraction, showing evidences to can be refuted or not. I think who pokemmo have good rules but can better their methods to make more clear your actions. What the community think about this?