Crystal6
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The Destiny Knot makes 5 IVs inherit, meaning only 1 IV is truly left to chance. That's stupid. It's obviously stupid. It's meant to cater to a competitive scene where everyone is expected to have full 31 IV pokemon, because it's easy to get them, and since you can't prevent people from hacking them in, it's always going to be easy.
Play the game some more, get involved in the comp scene, and then come back. Pretty soon you'll realize you don't need 6x31 IV pokemon. The economy in this game really does make a lot of sense, you just don't understand it yet. If there really is such a crazy bipolar swing to pricing, then feel free to take advantage of it and make a bajillion yen in a day. But it isn't, so that won't happen, but really feel free to try. People actually value their possessions in this game, unlike in X and Y where everything is worth so little that if you pay 10x too much for something, it's no big deal because everything is so worthless.
I'm not such a big jerk that I'm going to abuse the system by buying the reasonably priced pokes (pretty good IVs for reasonably low prices) and crank up the price just because that guy over there is selling a way worse pokemon for way more. All I'd be doing is perpetuating the worst parts of the economy.
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But the description doesn't say it passes the ivs on every time, just that it raises the odds of passing on all 5 IVs from BOTH parents. So having one perfect poke parent does not even mean the baby would be perfect, it means MAYBE it would get 2 or 3 of the perfect IVs from that parent.
All that said, if the destiny knot really would create an issue if it were translated as is from X and Y, you could always nerf it but still have some kind of item that helps this a bit. I'd argue the pokeconomy is already in a weird place when I see crap pokes with players demanding up to a mil for them, while other players are selling good pokes for 50k. It's the most bipolar/unregulated economy I've ever witnessed in a game.
In general I'd say it can be pretty inaccessible for newer players to try to enter into an economy like this.
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X and Y had an economy upon release, where Ditto's were scarce because few people had reached the end of the game, females held value because they were crucial to breeding many things.
(I remember putting up multiple baby Fennekin's due to resetting for a female one to be able to use for breeding, and with this I was able to obtain all of the starters with ease).
When the Destiny Knot mechanics had not yet been revealed by Masuda, and 31 IV Pokemon were rare, but not to the point where they were impossible, but they certainly took a lot of time to obtain.
With the introduction of Powersaves and a very leanient Pokemon bank hack-check (and even with a good one, RNG'd Pokemon wouldn't be picked up), that economy was lost.
Now whatever economy X/Y have is hardly better than the one that existed with the existance of cheat devices. - It barely has one at all.
The Mewtwo you mention above is something I could obtain in about 5 minutes, it's nothing special - and that is the problem.
The first few days of X/Y had a fantastic economy, and I certainly had a lot of fun participating in it, sadly it was never built to last.
The problem with economics in Pokemon games is that is has to appeal to two very important factors;
- Rarity and difficulty to obtain ('Cloning' or 'Reproduction' plays a large part in this).
- Allowing for a competitive meta game that relies on high IVs.
These two factors contradict each other greatly, and I think it's important to find a middle ground.
I don't think we've quite reached it yet personally, nor do I think the Destiny knot fits in with our current system very well at all.
I'm not sure. The reason the economy was destroyed here appears to be hacking devices, not destiny knot. O_o Sadly it does ruin X and Y as a test case though, since we can't know what impact destiny knot would have on the community without cheating/hacking devices also being present. (Unless we use this MMO as the test case, or find some other way to test it. sigh...)
Wait, you could get a LEGIT shiny perfect IV mewtwo easily? For a normal ratata? :? How?
Edit: I suppose pokesave and whatnot would make it easy to clone existing legit ones but... to get that Mewtwo initially someone would have to save scum the unknown dungeon event for sooo long... O_o did someone do that?
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X and Y is not an mmo. It has no economy.
I am not suggesting that the breeding community will be killed, in fact it would sky rocket in popularity, which would cause a complete crash of Pokemmo's economy.
edit: if you reeeaaaaly want to consider x and y as an mmo and completely ignore all of the cheating that is available in the cartridge games, then so be it. But you cannot compare x and y to Pokemmo in this category.I suppose there is cheating but if you enter an official tournament with a hacked pokemon you will be punished, and most players will refuse to do buisness with you.
And, X and Y do have an economy. It tends to vary a bit from community to community (its not unified in the same way a more traditional mmo is) but there is still certainly an economy. If there weren't you could be like "Yo dog I have this ratata or whatever. Can I have a legit shiny perfect IV Mewtwo with maxed out EV training?" and everyone would be like "Sure we have 50 of those. They're common as dirt."
All that said you could certainly make an arguement for various aspect of the X and Y economy. (Are legit shinies/godly pokemon too easy to get?) but you don't seem to be making that arguement. The in-game mechanics of this mmo are essentially identical to an already existing pokemon gaming minus the cheating and adding in a few mmo related tweaks. I can't understand the claim that later innovations made by the people who invented the series in the first place aren't comparible or are completely irrelavent, especially when the creators are still adding the new pokemon and regions from the later games.
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Important concept: this is an mmo.
Great, perfect things will/should not be handed to us. If you want to spend all of your time battling in tournaments and not time making/buying/catching your comps, then there is showdown.
This game is not only defined by the competitions, but also the community (which the comp community now hates me XD) and the time investment the players have to make to get to the top.
I will never support a breeding buff, and will continue to support a breeding nerf.Are you suggesting X and Y is not an mmo? Are you also suggesting this will kill the breeding community? If anything it would mean the breeding community will be more important as people start shooting for perfect 31 across the board stats instead of the vaguely passable stats I see being toted as "godly."
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This is the only thing that makes me wish to play generation 6. The Destiny Knot.
Its a held item whose primary affect says, if the user becomes infatuated so does the opponents.
It's secondary affect however is particularly interesting. It raises the likelyhood of the parents passing on their IVs to the child.
An item like this would mean less time spent in breeding hell and more time spent battling in tournaments. It would also mean players battling in tournaments would be more likely to be the ones with the best strategies, rather than the ones that have been playing the longest/have the most money.
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Edit: NVM I see the .gif now
Eh. Not really funny... but okay.
O_O Its... a dog hanging itself right? O_O.... I... its okay? What?
Also the gif in your signature is awesome. Just wanted to point that out.
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Never had to multiquote before. Let's try it out!
Sounds awesome. And I agree, 18+ is fine, as long as you have everything planned for the kid. Still though, I could never imagine why anyone would wanna get a child at such a age. But hey, you are here so it's good.
Ehhh.... I see college kids having them. O_O I'd say it depends on your situation in general. If you are one of those child geniuses that has like, a huge company already while you're still in your teens and a stable relationship and you are perfectly ready to take that next step of your life, that's one thing. (one really really rare thing.)
If you are 20+ but you're still in college, going to crazy college parties, and living with your parents or working a job along WITH college, I don't think you have time to raise a child. Sorry but, reconsider placing yourself in that situation before you have to learn what its like. I don't care that you're above 18, that's a lot to handle.Please don’t think my post as being ‘judgmental’ on the community – It just helped me to understand the point of views that I was reading.
I’m 25 and have a five year old; you guys can do the math. I was still in my teens when I was pregnant. Though, I was no longer in high school, had (still have) a job/career and my husband (fiancé at the time and ‘Baby Daddy’) and myself were/are supporting ourselves.
I really think that the topic is a case by case issue, but I must agree with the original post;
If you are unable to support yourself, how in the world are you going to be a good parent to an innocent and blossoming life? You can have all the love in the universe but it won’t buy you formula, won’t drive you to the (what seems like) hundreds of doctor appointments, won’t really help in any kind of emergency (and yes, there WILL be emergencies).
I couldn’t imagine how hard it would be to be a good mom/parent while still in high school (having the ability to commit yourself to the best interests of your kiddo, while still being able to take care of yourself). That being said; some people can and do, do amazing jobs with the love and support of family and friends and some real dedication and hard work. I tip my hat to the young ones that can “make it work” (thanks Tim Gunn).
I will say that this post had several well thought out and intellectual points within it (actually, there were quite a few posts on here with substance) and in NO way am I picking on or flaming this. Yet, if you think that you'll lose sleep when you have a baby, you have no idea - you'll lose only more as they get bigger and become walking, talking toddlers and then when they are in school sleep is just a memory you hold onto, something blissful from those way back when times.
There has been some mention about childcare beyond the early years, but it seems like the majority of this is concerned with only infant years.
This is true. I've never had a child to be honest with you. I was thinking of my less comparible experience with less difficult to raise baby animals such as orphaned rats. They mature so quickly there's really no toddler stage for me to compare it to. Once you survive the baby stage, you basically win. : P But yes. O_O You make a good point.
ftfy
regardless, age shouldn't matter. accountability to the child's well-being should be what counts.
Hm, I was trying to quote your correction to my post. Which was "won't have children" over "less likely to have"
To which I say, I can't argue with that.
Unless I bring up Jesus but then I turn this into an arguement about teen moms and religion. Ahhh!Actually I could still point out rape. The person might not choose to have sex but might be in a situation where its not really a choice. And then you still have the teen mom situation. -
I've found my favorite food varies based on exposure. For example initially my favorite food was tuna sandwiches. (No really.) Then it switched when I discovered the meatball. Now lately my favorite is pizza. (Due to having not eaten it for a few years caused by allergies.)
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I enjoy it so far, pokemon always wanted to be an MMO I think what with the emphasis on trading with friends in order to complete the game. And the encouragement to battle with friends....
The only problem I can find with it, is it doesn't have all the feature of the newest games and honestly what did I expect for free? Its not like we have all of Nintendo with their limitless money and man power here, so for what it is, its darn impressive! O_O
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Cuz Parky and Toxic are fgts!
THANKS AND HAI! I won something? that makes me moist. cB
Nevermind I instantly regret defending and complimenting you. *slowly backs out of thread*
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It's a battle simulator. You establish the details of a pokemon team (moves, abilities, EVs, IVs, etc) and then use them in battles. This thread is for replays of those battles.
So, all the fun of battling without the level grinding and buying tms then?
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Woah this topic moves fast. O_O
In all seriousness, my geography class literally has a chart on what parts of the country use the word "pop" which use "soda" and which use "coke" to describe soft drinks.
My bf is from a part of the country that uses "pop" but I'm from a part that uses "soda." So the word soda started infecting his family as the way to refer to soft drinks.
Geography is weird.
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There are a lot of teen mom's where I'm from too. Listening to them talk about their relationships and act clueless as to why they are upset all the time makes me feel ill.
That said sex-ed is kinda terrible where I grew up too. O_O Despite your claim that my ideas are stone-age, I seriously think we need more science and less ideology* in our sex-ed classes. We should be talking about the hormones that become more active as teenagers and how they affect the brain, not claiming that hand-holding will lead to babies.
Other note, teen-pregnancies are on a trend downward. So, there's that.
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Was curiosity.
You didn't think this would turn into some kind of arguement? O_O?
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Yes, I did interpret it as a nudge, sorry for that misunderstanding then.
I don't have stats on this sort of thing but my impression and all of the teen mothers I have encountered were people in/were in relationships at the time of conception. These aren't the people who are going out and being sexually active with different partners. The people I know who are sexually active are the ones who are informed on these sorts of things, and take extra precautions to protect themselves. They're the educated youth, and the people who end up in the mother/father/kids type situation with a stable career down the road.
Yes, you need to have sex to conceive (for the most part), but I don't view people who are sexually active as the ones who end up with children at a young age. Birth control pills are what, 98 or 99%? And condoms on top of that for protection and to further reduce the risk of pregnancy are the two things majority of people who are "having multiple partners" employ.
As a female you can do this thing where you manage your pill regularly and say no to any male who won't use a condom. It's an easy and effective method.
We will have to agree to disagree, but I guess since you detailed your stone age, sex = babies, multiple partners = babies and STIs for sure opinion then I thought I'd expand upon mine. We're all entitled to our own opinion but maybe you'll read and think about this, I don't know. :)
Your presumptions that I am uneducated bother me. I actually had to write a research paper about the effectiveness of various methods of birth control and their various mechanisms in college. X_X I just didn't really want to go run and pull up statistics. *sigh* Lets see, birth control pills have about a 95% success rate. Which is to say, 5 out of 100 get pregnant each year. In the way of condoms, about 11 out of 100 get pregnant.
I'm also not attempting to imply that people who end up at teen moms are people who aren't in relationships with particular people. They can be in what they think is a commited relationship. But statistically most relationships formed in the teens don't last after all. (If I need to cite that I will but I'm hoping its not a point of argument...)
All that said, if you are on the pill and a condom and no alcohol is involved, you're statistically probably not going to be a teen mom, are you? Sadly teenagers are not known for their intelligent/safe sexual behavior. (Though I know they're surely capable of it when its not considered "uncool.")
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Place your bets now, will they get a shedinja? I'm hoping yes.
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I think you have an extremely closed mind in regards to this judging by your reply so let's agree to disagree. :)
I really don't appreciate the whole "people who share their bodies are more likely to be a teen mother and be physically abused."
But... I didn't say physically abused. Or imply it as far as I know. (Unless you think the black eye thing was hinting at it for some reason? If I implied that I wasn't trying to.)
But, if someone doesn't have sex, they are less likely to have children. If you are doing it with a lot of people, it is more likely that one of them is not going to do the protection thing, or is going to screw it up. So... yes.
I... guess we disagree there. Can we at least agree that we should give these individuals the support they need whatever the case? -
D: This game makes it easier to get shinies too? Arrrgh! *kicking myself for not buying X and Y*
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D: why so much trolling? Why are we making fun of people with different sexual orientations?
Also welcome ShinyGiraffeDuck you win the "most interesting introduction title" award. -
I... I don't understand. Is it like a game that plays the game for you? :? Do you not make choices on what moves to use?
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It should be socially acceptable to be a good mother whether you're a teenager or 20, or 30, etc. It should not be socially acceptable to be a poor mother at any age. To be a poor mother is defined as one or more of the following: not keeping sober during a pregnancy, not taking responsibility for a child, not being able to provide for a child, not being able to create a future for the child, not providing the child with love, etc. I will admit some mothers fail in some areas, while striving in others, so my definition may not be an exact one in my opinion.
So to me if you're 18 and have a baby and that's what you want to do, you have a secure future for the kid, etc then so be it. Although rare I am sure it can occur for certain people. Much like a 30 year old women may be a completely unfit mother due to various factors. So to me it's a case by case basis, I try to refrain from judging people but yes, when I see someone who is a teenager, without any educational or career goals (or the ability to meet them), showing off pictures of their baby bumps on facebook I am going to be slightly concerned. It doesn't help in my case that I have no plans for ever having kids and am not their biggest fan.
If socially acceptable means encouraging or lessening the discouragement of teen pregnancy when the mother/parents are unable to provide etc then I'm against it, if socially acceptable means trying to be kinder and less judgemental of people who choose to or do this by mistake then hmm yeah maybe. I don't like being hard on people, but generally I wonder why anyone wants to bring anymore kids into this world, especially at a young age.
Is "Why do people even want kids?" an acceptable answer? haha....
I feel like you have a very skewed vision of people. Where do your stats on STIs (not STDS) in babies/parents come from? Also you can raise a baby fairly well without a father, people actually decide to do this (not that I would) and this includes people who are secure in their finances and careers.
TL;DR: Don't have kids if you can't provide for them, no matter the age. People will judge you for it, and I don't think that should exactly change.
I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying its not an ideal situation.
The ideal situation is having two parents raising the child. This way you can split the financial burden and the house work between the two of you. Part of this is common sense. Would you rather wake up every two hours to feed a child, or wake up every 4 hours, splitting the burden with your spouse? (not that I'm against breast feeding) Or, would you rather work a full time job and do all the house work, or work a part time job and share the burden of housework with your spouse? (Or have one work and one stay home. Whatever).
All that said, of course a single parent can be a single parent and still have secure finaces and a career. I'm just thinking specifically of people who had kids super early life.
You could say I'm skewing the view a bit. I'm thinking "What circumstances likely led to this? What is the most likely explaination for how a pregnant teen came to be?" If I presume they were... ahem being very open on sharing their body with people, they are statistically more likely to have some sort of disease and a less commited relationship ontop of the other circumstances.
Obviously not all teen-mom situations are like this. But people who do share their bodies with lots of people, are going to be more likely to find themselves in this situation. Sorta like saying not all guys with a black eye have them because they got into fist fights, but people who get into fist fights a lot are more likely to get a black eye?
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The main problem is, at that age the father is likely not entirely committed to the relationship, neither has a job, and neither has finished schooling. (also there's a fairly high risk of the parents/child having stds at this point).
So it often places the mother in a place where they have to work a crap job and forget about their career. Or drop the child off at daycare for most their life. Or just straight up put them up for adoption.
Presuming they don't abort it right off the bat.
Basically there are tons of ways this can go horribly wrong. But they more than anyone will need social support to get through the situation, yes?
[Denied]Make Destiny Knot cause more IVs to be passed by breeding Pokemon
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If it were literally translated like that then I suppose but you don't have to do it that way. It could just increase the odds of both parents passing their IVs.
I guess I don't understand what people enjoy about the current system? This item wouldn't break battling, and it would make breeding easier and more prevalent. The only "bad" affect would be good pokes are cheaper/easier to get. And even that could be controlled by how powerful you make the item.