TheOfficialCIRE Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Anything I can do? I think I might simplify it. too much going on and the compression has taken some of it out and my kick is a bitch without it.https://soundcloud.com/officialcire/route-8 Link to comment
Emlee Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 These submissions are amazing. I am really enjoying all of your entries so far :) Link to comment
DubiousForeskin Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Time to fire up Garage Band, and break out the Addictive Drum tracks :D Link to comment
BakuRyuuha Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Sweet! Let the creative juices flow from my fingertips! Link to comment
KatoshiRin Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Oh crap I forgot to save my mastering for my final final entry. I hate it when fl studio stops responding and quits on you ):. Oh well, good luck to the best song. Link to comment
Jessafur Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 The thread has been moved for judging now, so good luck to all the other entrants :) Link to comment
TheOfficialCIRE Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Okay maybe the acid bass guy winning is a joke...? Like seriously who hasn't heard the acid bass in their synthesizer? It's literally one of the first sounds I ever heard when I opened up FL studio a year ago... all you do is hold down a button and it does everything. (Edited: Mistakes due to internet slowness :3) Syde 1 Link to comment
JWingWangWong Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not disappointed but now I'm more confused how they evaluated their selection for music. Was mine disqualified for some reason or was it rated poorly due to me missing something. Jessafur and TheOfficialCIRE 2 Link to comment
LedZeppelin Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It seems that they havent look under top 3 posts when they made that winner list -.- Link to comment
JWingWangWong Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Actually I'm depressed/upset I really thought I had a chance. When my piece got positive reviews from my fellow musicians it gave me courage to post it. I wasn't going to in the first place because I didn't think I could do it. During the contest it was encouraging when I saw people like my music and was thinking maybe I might win it. When the results came today I felt like the biggest failure and felt like absolutely nothing. I haven't felt like this in years. Was my 13 years of studying music a waste of time? Where did I go wrong? :( Jessafur 1 Link to comment
Surfintygrr Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I don't quite agree with how the winners were chosen. Not to mention that the winnners were the first three posts on the entire thread. Next time it should be based on number of likes on each post cause I actually found JWingWangWong's music to be more unique than the winners and his even got more likes. Also consider: What did the selected judges even know about music? Jessafur and TheOfficialCIRE 2 Link to comment
BakuRyuuha Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 really?? I thought for sure i would have SOME chance? wth? Maybe it was bias, i dont know. well, congrats to the winners, anyways. Jessafur 1 Link to comment
Jessafur Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I thought for sure top three would have included (in no particular order) Jwingwangwong, BakuRyuuha, and either KatoshiRin or myself (I don't think too highly of mine though). Happy I got the honourable mention, but I think the judges screwed up their choices. There was way more musical diversity with those two that didn't make top three or honourable than those techno ones. At least that's how I feel. I'm sure there was a reason for why that was the case, but I don't agree with it. Maybe if they explain how judging worked, it would help me understand, but as of right now, I think it's a little bit of a joke. I mean no offence to those who won, and if you took offence in this post, I formally apologize. I'm just expressing my opinion, and if you disagree, then that is your opinion which you are entitled to. Edit: The "Vote by Like" idea you proposed Surfintygrr would not work very well, as one person could get all of their friends to like it, thus inflating their song's chance at winning, whereas someone who plays alone for the most part may not have as many people like theirs and the inflated post would most likely win. BakuRyuuha 1 Link to comment
Emlee Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Rest assured we did look past the first few posts in the thread, it took the judges a considerable amount of time to decide on how they felt about the submissions. I personally spent a good 45 minutes reviewing them (after already listening to them several times throughout the competition). Judging these was no doubt a very difficult task, but I am happy with the results. Please remember musical preference is very subjective and differs from person to person, you may not agree completely with the results but they are a composition of all the judges' thoughts and analysis. I personally enjoyed AstroSpud's submission immensely and congratulate him and the runner ups for their placing in this contest. Determining the winners by number of likes is considered a popularity contest, and that will never be used as the sole reason for determining winners in a Music/Art/Writing contest. Submissions coming in later than other ones would also be at an unfair disadvantage if likes were a determining factor as those entries would have less exposure to the public. Link to comment
JWingWangWong Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Judging these was no doubt a very difficult task, but I am happy with the results. Please remember musical preference is very subjective and differs from person to person, you may not agree completely with the results. Thank you for proving that the music contest was not judged by composition but by preference. This means there was no rubric and a person who made a decent acid bass could have won the contest. Jessafur, TheOfficialCIRE and BakuRyuuha 3 Link to comment
BakuRyuuha Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Thank you for proving that the music contest was not judged by composition but by preference. This means there was no rubric and a person who made a decent acid bass could have won the contest. I concur, I think JWing should have taken first. I'v been a musician for 13 years now. I've made my share of recordings, mixes, and his was FAR better quality, and had most originality, while also keeping to the theme of the contest : Pokemon Battle Music. Most of the winners do not even sound like they could come from a Pokemon game, but like you said, it's all about musical preference. Congrats to the winners. Jessafur and TheOfficialCIRE 2 Link to comment
Emlee Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Thank you for proving that the music contest was not judged by composition but by preference. This means there was no rubric and a person who made a decent acid bass could have won the contest. I did not confirm that. If you reread my post you will notice that it says "Thoughts and Analysis". I merely included that people's opinions may differ from ours (the judges collectively) because musical taste is and will always be subjective and based on opinion. Link to comment
Govictory Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 one problem with music is that everyone has different tastes.... Link to comment
JWingWangWong Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I did not confirm that. If you reread my post you will notice that it says "Thoughts and Analysis". I merely included that people's opinions may differ from ours (the judges collectively) because musical taste is and will always be subjective and based on opinion. I read your post clearly. You made it clear that it was judged on subjectivity and if there was analysis done you would have taken note of musical aspects of each song. During judging did you write down quantitative aspects to the song like BPM, where expression was placed, key signature, off vs on beat, placement of melodic or harmonic segments, the type of score, and most importantly did it follow the outline of Pokemon battle music? If you did all of that then you have done an analysis because that's what you should be thinking in a musical analysis. If you didn't that's fine as thoughts make up the qualitative aspects to a song. However this means you didn't analyse the song and you only had the feel to it only. TheOfficialCIRE and Jessafur 2 Link to comment
KatoshiRin Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I wasn't really expecting 2nd place, since I wasn't fully satisfied with my own Pokemon song. I was expecting JWingWangWong, Yaguarete, Pakigg, or NormacX8 to be more better than mines, since it had a better composition and it had more motivation to it than what I had to offer in the past 3 years. I'm not disappointing in the results, just quite surprised, and I find it quite funny how some genre's are easier to utilize than the other. Link to comment
Emlee Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I read your post clearly. You made it clear that it was judged on subjectivity and if there was analysis done you would have taken note of musical aspects of each song. During judging did you write down quantitative aspects to the song like BPM, where expression was placed, key signature, off vs on beat, placement of melodic or harmonic segments, the type of score, and most importantly did it follow the outline of Pokemon battle music? If you did all of that then you have done an analysis because that's what you should be thinking in a musical analysis. If you didn't that's fine as thoughts make up the qualitative aspects to a song. However this means you didn't analyse the song and you only had the feel to it only. As I am not the host I will leave it up to him to decide to speak about the judging method. I will say your work had to be original to even qualify for judging though and reflecting typical Pokemon music was key. Link to comment
Jessafur Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 If the judging did not have much musical though process then I'm not sure what to think. I have been a musician for 15 years and maybe that's why I can't understand the results. Maybe I read into all the submissions too deeply from a theoretical perspective instead of a "listening pleasure" perspective. That being said, maybe it is my "listening pleasure perspective" that is making this hard for me to understand. The theme for a Pokemon Battle is normally fast paced and exciting, unless it is a Legendary Pokemon fight, but even most of those are fast (normally up around 160-200 BPM) and they're still really exciting, but I don't feel those vibes from the techno songs, where as Katoshi's submission may have been slow, it still brought that feeling of excitement that I would get when fighting a Legendary or a Boss from a team. That's all I am going to say, as the more I say, the more of a jerk I probably sound like. As I said in my first post, I mean absolutely no harm in what I am saying, and if what I said has offended you in any way, then I am sorry. Link to comment
JWingWangWong Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 As I am not the host I will leave it up to him to decide to speak about the judging method. I will say your work had to be original to even qualify for judging though and reflecting typical Pokemon music was key. The whole point of this discussion is for you to take notes and realize that the judging process is flawed. The more judging is based on opinion the less serious it is to enter a contest. I'm expecting there to be another music contest however a lot of people right now are not going to enter the next one if the same judging methods are used. That's why I'm saying this now than later. Also in your last sentence in the post are you saying my work did not qualify for judging? Link to comment
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