DrCraig

I am being specific bro, Im trying not to discredit your intelligence. I know you arent stupid. Why on earth would dragon claw got banned just get dnite and mence in OU? Its such a nonsensical thing to even discuss because its like... stupid

Lol How about we wait more than a few hours, maybe a tourney or two

It was? When?

God even this title pisses me off obnoxious OP too I'd imagine Hera is going to get a whole lot more use not, but not just the reversal set. Gyarados can potentially be annoying with it, but their might be better options. I want to let the meta have some time to change, and change noticeable before I make any conclusions since it hasn't even been a day. There are still a lot of pokemon to resist reversal, so I'm curious.

Banning claw or espeed is nonsensical. Cmon now, think about that for a second.

Let me add this to my resume.

What does that even mean lol

reply to Gunt pls don't dance around

Gunt it's not worth the energy. This is an arguement with a wall. You just can't get a response that makes sense. He's not even adressing any point you brought up. The ban is inevitable, who cares if he doesn't agree.

there will be tournies where u can win invites and stuff soon

@Excel 1. Can't justify prediction very much when it has a huge movepool and multiple sets. You don't magically find out what set it is running. 2.This point doesn't even make sense. Also extreme speed ohkos or severely damages almost every poke that is faster than it. Run the calcs. 3. Cloyster and Lapras aren't durable with their lack of quick recovery moves that vapo and bro have. Bro is the best check we have, and is a check because of the looming thunderbolt. Dnite can survive ice beams by the way. Also, how is "Dnite could switch in on status" an arguement? If you're dumb enough to let it get statused, what does that have to do with anything? Why are you swicthing in on a knock off user? (Knock off isn't the best even if its a solution in your eyes, all it does is take of CB. Dnite isn't dead.) 4. Lets focus on dragonite, this point makes no sense at all. 5. What 6.Gengar is not Dragonite by the way. Gengar doesnt run a physical set, doesn't have have a beast spammable move, huge bulk, a priority move, and what not. Gengar isn't relevant to your dumb point about diverse movesets. 7. If you come in on an ice punch you're not using dragonite correctly. Plain and simple. You should take a minute to look at the nice resistances Dnite has and the immunity to ground. It's even bulky, wow. That's why we say it can switch in a lot. 8. What 9. The point is to discuss Dnite predicting correctly, Wtf is this pint even Just because you made a bunch of unorganized points that are numbered doesn't mean they make a logical argument or any sense at all.

No he is inferring that after bro is banned we still have other options. You know what he meant, c'mon now. And let's be real here, commenting on that has no effective on Bro's fate.

I'll edit the OP in a bit so it's more organized edit: OP updated

Oh true running Slowbro and Defensive Gyara on every team I make is not centralizing. Lets pretend Dnite can't run tbolt I guess. Dnite is overpowered we can worry about the destruction of OU after. (Sarcasm)

Who cares if other stuff gets banned, the problem right now is dragonite. How about you tell us reasons why dragonite should not be banned instead of dancing off topic with bullshit. "Everything gonna get banned to" isnt an argument Hera was banned before, why would it be suprising if we lose it again? Medi will probably stay.

252+ SpA Dragonite Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Vaporeon: 104-124 (43.8 - 52.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 112-133 (47.2 - 56.1%) -- 27.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Yea that's super safe. 4 SpA Vaporeon Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 156-188 (93.4 - 112.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO That hurts and all vapo can do is get HP from protect to save it. Mostly when dnite can survive an ice beam is and spam dclaw is when it becomes annoying. 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 132-156 (79 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite ExtremeSpeed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 88-104 (52.6 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 166-196 (99.4 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO 252+ SpA Dragonite Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Starmie: 114-136 (68.2 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Starmie is so safe wow Stop trying to make people dance to your complaints. We get you don't want stuff banned because you have been doing this shit for months. Have some substance in your argument instead of giving everybody an attitude.

it's unpredictable these days

God Damnit I just bred a nice one but as JJ ordered Thanks Fred, not Noad ability - inner focus type - dragon / flying viable moves -physical Dragon Claw Extreme Speed Super Power Thunder Punch Fire Punch Earthquake Ice punch Focus Punch Wing Attack Outrage(maybe someday) -special Thunder Bolt Ice Beam Fire Blast Hydro Pump Flamethrower Thunder Blizzard Surf Hyper Beam -other Dragon Dance Thunder Wave Haze Heal Bell Substitute common ev spread cb bulky 94 hp 252 att 164 speed (121 stat) adamant *or just any random speed to beat other dnites which isnt practical but is a thing cb pure bulky 252 hp 252 att adamant cb fast 252 att 252 speed adamant/jolly DD fast 86 hp 252 att 172 speed (134 stat so as to outspeed jolteon/aero after one DD) Mixed Dnite [Mild/Lonely/Brave/Quiet] with various spreads and movesets _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here we are to discuss the infamous Dragonite which has been causing havoc in OU. It topped the Usage Stats thus far and even if more are taken I can't see any other poke being used more. The beast is obviously too strong for OU. So I guess I'll start with my input on its offense. I don't do calcs. It has a massive ATK, Great SATK and a SPE which really does not matter. It has a ridiculous ATK paired with a spammable STAB that is seldom resisted. It has access to Superpower, All Punches, Boltbeam, Fire Moves, Earthquake and a bunch of other stuff which isn't worth mentioning. Dnite has great coverage and can also effectively run a mixed or ddance set. However the CB set is the most overpowered because of Extreme Speed. Espeed either does 90% or ohkos a good portion of the meta which outspeeds it. It is an easy tool to dispose of nearly every pokenon faster than it. Extreme Speed is the most overpowered part of Dnite in my opinion. And the bulk. Yea it has a 4x weakness but aside from that it can come in on soooo much. It has great resistances, and overall bulk. This bulk which allows it to not be okhod by most ice beams, punches, HP Ices and other wimpy gimmicky shit because this beast is too centralizing. Ban this beast.

Taking small points and blowing them out of proportion There we go Edit: Here Gunt if you want to start being an ass this is a definition of generalize "make general or broad statement by inferring from specific cases." You took his 'specific case' and applied it to everything

An example of how people overanaylze eachother's sentences and generalize them to create meaningless arguments. C'mon man.

Half of me says this thing is just an unhealthy garbage wall keeping the meta stagnant. The other half says that Slowbro is like UU's Blastoise. Yes I realize the differences. But in common they both just sit there taking various physically hits, acting as safe switches. However Bro has Calm Mind going for it which keeps the opponent on their toes a lot more. Access to Twave cripples opponents which gives Bro free opportunities to be a pain in the ass by sitting and healing. Bro has two nice stabs also. My biggest take away is that nothing easily breaks Slowbro, it is just a fat wall I view as u healthy to OU because of those safe switch, safe healing, safe everything abilities.

I mean if you really want me to Keith

Since when do you care lol Comparing Dnite to Mence is valid, they're similiar but one is in the tier and one isn't. Its his thread lol

I agree with you that Sala has the same amount of checks and counters as Dnite.(Crunch vs. Tbolt seems equivalent). But Intimidate also gives Sala some more room to come in, more than Dnite. Bulky Sala with Intimidate could be a menacing with a little more opportunity to jump in.