BurntZebra

anyone up for an OU or UU wager?

300k on trapinch

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Gen 4 customs is pretty close to our meta, considering you can choose whatever moves you want, even if they don't learn them in gen 4. Although a few mechanics would be slightly off like critical hits and sleep mechanics.

Can't really imagine what you would be taunting in the 137 to 160 speed range to be honest. Not saying absol is the same thing as houndoom, but robofiend said that it should be banned because of its ability to remove pokemon that check fighting/normal spam.

Well I'm not saying absol is uber. I'm just saying absol and houndoom are comparable in their characteristics and ability to support team mates by removing psychic/ghost types.

dont think this has been confirmed yet

well absol gets megahorn+swords dance to play around with. Realistically no one will run bite since absol will most likely lose to haunter anyways

Well here's my problem with your argument. You said that houndoom is banworthy because it removes psychic/ghost types that stop fighting/normal spam. I agree with that but then you say absol is inferior to houndoom because houndoom counters xatu/haunter, where absol does not. Xatu and haunter aren't exactly the best counters to normal/fighting types just because they get demolished by any coverage move from hitmonlee/granbull. On the other end of the psychic spectrum is hypno that can take pretty much any hit from hitmonlee and can switch in relatively risk free, with instant recovery, making it the superior choice to countering hitmonlee in comparison to xatu. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this but absol pursuit traps hypno a lot better than houndoom is able to because of raw physical power, is what I'm getting at. Sure houndoom can maybe trap hypno if hypno is damaged and houndoom is choice banded, but otherwise hypno is going to survive a cb pursuit from houndoom, unlike absol which ohkos hypno if hypno switches out.

Well with that logic we should ban stuff like pursuit absol since that eliminates bulky psychics arguably better or anything faster than walls with destiny bond. Not to mention houndoom has trouble switching in on a lot of pokemon and will get ohko'ed by mach punch from hitmonlee if it tries to sweep with a sunnybeam set. And like someone previously mentioned in this thread (on my phone so too lazy to check), many psychic types can run a move to take on houndoom/other dark types, either with focus punch or counter or signal beam. Just don't really see houndoom being banworthy under offense or support

Everyone knows that people don't actually read posts on discussion threads

Trivia ftw

Well the complex ban of curse on snorlax was initiated (and terminated) before the existence of the tier councils. The tier council began in October 2014 and the curse ban for snorlax started some time around january-february 2014.

There would only be a curse ban if curse was an uncompetitive move and all the pokemon that could learn curse, were broken/uncompetitive, such as the case of baton pass. As you clearly stated, curse is not an uncompetitive/OP move, so it should not be banned.

A complex ban on curse is pretty much out of the question, as previously stated in the thread multiple times by multiple individuals. There are three options for the fate of snorlax. One is that it stays in OU for now because it doesn't really meet the uber requirements. The second option is that snorlax is "suspect tested" and banned for a pre-determined amount of time to see if its effect on the meta is truly banworthy. The third option is that the OU tier council (me, Robofiend, Senile) agree that snorlax is banworthy under one of the characteristics stated before.

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well I tried

I think he was saying that people should use houndoom in OU so it gets moved up from UU by usage.

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me

alright if you come to slateport ch 1 (and actually log on)

need to make some money, 5m+ wagers (or 100k I guess)

new misc thread?

anyone wanna do a UU wager?