[[Denied] Make our own In Game vanity items]

Okay but why not?

I don't know if the devs would ever consider it but its not that simple because the player who designed the vanity item would have to upload it to the server and all other players have to update for them to be able to see those items on the one who are using them. that's what i think at least

[Properly Level Up Your Pokemon, Fast Leveling Up Guide.]

It looks pretty neat now :) good job.

you still have to fix that "Blisseys have a 5% encounter" though, and it would be very good to mention some common examples of E4 sweepers like Starmie which will make it easier to go through them.

 

Best wishes & keep up the good work :)

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There are those who appreciate and understand the reasoning for the new breeding system.

Then there are those who want everything in life to be easy.

Again with the easy, selfish thing .. 

I have had it. enjoy your hard-worked tedious grind breeding .. along with a couple of aspirins and some nice long movie to watch.  

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Ofc.. The only problem for u is that u can't spawn comps like in the PTS..

I would really love to play on the PTS rather than this update but still love the old breeding system more than the PTS :)

breeding itself was more fun to me than 100x times just spawning pokes .. but spawning allow us to test movesets/pokes more faster and better than having to breed anything.

 

The economic "problem" that it solved was that competitve pokemon were becoming really really cheap, both on a monetary level and on an opportunity cost level. They stopped that by putting competitive pokemon at a fixed price. Due to these fixed prices, the economy is really stale and uninteresting. They also seem to believe that species rarity should make certain pokemon more expensive than others (which I've never understood why they emphasize this, as I don't see the benefit of it). Furthermore, the current breeding system seems to have afflicted people with the mindset that "why would I pay so much money for that when I could just breed it, since I know I can breed it?"; this goes without saying that this mindset is extremely toxic for an economic environment.  And I believe the mindset is caused due to the lack of RNG in the breeding system. That, or there needs to be some sort of level up system for breeding. Cause when everyone feels like they can breed what they want instead of having to buy it, the economy slows down a lot.

The comps as they mean "a good comp is about 25+ all stats and 31 speed" has grown in its value since nobody before the update wanted this while he could just get 3x31 and average stats with less than the comp now "mainly 100-200k"

but overall the prices went up and anything beyond 500k we have to spend weeks to sell it "namely the 4x to 6x" 

so what went up was :

1- wild catches alot from 0 value to maybe 300k in lucky cases like 3x31 or 1x31 with average appove 25+

2- average to good comp from 0-30k to 200-300k 

3- 1x from 0 to ~20k

4- 2x from 20k to ~150k

5- 3x from ~80-100k to 200-350k

 

all beyond that is like hell to sell if it got ever sold out.

as for ppl breeding for them selves rather than buying its because the prices went skyrocketing and to have multi pokes you have to have a fortune.

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The breeding system was changed due to economic reasons (As explained in the 'Opinions on new breeding' thread).

But the new system had the added bonus of making both breeding and catching viable and having them work with each other, whilst also bringing back the rarity of each individual species.

In other words, it fixed a lot of problems at once.

I think maybe me and you live in a 2 totally different worlds to be honest :) i don't see any problem solved at least not from my point of view for the many reasons i stated in 'Opinions on new breeding' thread regarding the current state of the economy but you could add to that the new system made a whole lot more problem than it solved "too much grinding, TM needs fresh source, barrier to the comp scene, more of solo-play rather than MMO play, and so on" and many other things, yes you did manage to find a solution to some like TMs in the market for the next update .. but still it made a lot more problems than what it should be solving but didn't

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Given that a large majority of the game is designed with catching in mind (as was the series western slogan), I'd say it was a pretty important aspect.

It would be considerably bad design to create a game in which half of it's features and maps were entirely ignored.

 

 

Wild encounters are one of the core elements of Pokemon - I'd argue that it's the main element due to the collection aspect of the series. For wild Pokemon to be considered a nuisance in most cases in a Pokemon game indicates that there is something very, very wrong. Going out into grass patches that would never be used during the old breeding system to actively seek and catch Pokemon is a lot more in the spirit of the franchise.

 

So it turns out to show the real reason behind all this XD would have appreciated if you said so from the begging. although you had it all wrong because like WOW and other staging games the maps serve its purpose for each stage as the story line goes and only specific maps continue to be useful at the end-game for dungeons & raids (which have been the same here for ev training and shiny hunt) but at least now i know why you were so fixated about brining CatchMMO again.

Thanks for clearing that up 

 

bread = for making sandwiches

bred = past tense of breed

Thanks for correcting me :) will try to remember next time

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You can say whatever you want about the new breeding system, but a return to the old one would just be batshit crazy at this point. Looking back, it baffles me that the devs let that madness continue for so long. Ffs, I was releasing 5x28+ magnetons with good hidden powers because they were sturdy. People routinely released 2x31/3x31s to prevent their boxes clogging up with gods. If you were in one of the bigger teams, you could literally spawn any comp you wanted for free, with the work of 1-2 days tops. Absolute madness.

 

edit: also, hunting wild pokemon was either A. an unfortunate accident that occured when you forgot to put on a repel, or B. the product of EV training

 

5k braces would be a welcome change, and the auto confirmed IVs too. This new breeding platform has turned out to be a pretty solid core with which to continue expanding the game...it just needs some more love from the devs to iron out the flaws

Why do you guys care so much about wild encountering ? why is it have to be wild not bred ? wasn't it enough for ev training and shiny hunting ?

anyway again you call it madness i call it fun .. you call this bullshit tedious grinding fun i call it absolutely madness .. so again let's just wait and see

[[Denied]Pokemon Hunting Ground]

If I'm understanding this correctly, this would almost completely destroy species rarity, allowing the player to bring only rare Pokemon with them and walk away with many more than they started with. They can then use the newly caught Pokemon to activate the hunt again. This is very much like the old breeding system, allowing the player to produce endless clones, but without IVs being a requirement on the parents (meaning you can bring complete garbage with you) or them being guaranteed on the extra Pokemon being generated. I can't see this working.

Its not like breeding or cloning since they will be a wild catch also the same as the original ones .. the idea is just to hinder the unwanted species from encounters and buff those species a little more than they are in their area.

 

but the idea for sure will have a huge effect on species rarity.

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As far as I remember, all of my "for breeding posts" were detailing why the new was actually better than the old. But I've never given my point of view on breeding as a whole. So I don't know why you would think I'm joking.

Maybe because stating why it is better in most cases means you favour it over the old one then goes on some threads stating that maybe devs should reconsider bringing the old one back. so going back and forth made me wonder which group are you going with XD then you made this obviously "against" thread

[[Denied]Pokemon Hunting Ground]

I like the idea and can use it in another way like the fishing contests in the anime .. the player catch a cretin amount/specific nature/species and hand it to NPC and get a cretin prize/item as a PVE automated event or something like that.

 

+1 for your idea though 

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Heh. Hahahahah.


The problem with the current breeding?

1. New players don't like losing their parents, so them not knowing any better become discouraged by the new system.
2. Breeding at its core is bad for the economy.
3. Breeding raises the standard for competitive pokemon and thus raises the barrier of entry to competitive battling.
4. It's a huge grindfest.
5. RNG is decreased (RNG in the acquisition of assets in MMO's help make them fun and interesting. Just look at RuneScape. When you go bossing you get really excited when you get a rare drop).

Now, from what I've seen, #1 can be alleviated by informing the players of why the breeding system is like that; however, that doesn't work all the time... So an ingame breeding tutorial would at least help with maybe 25-50% of "I hate the new system" cases.
#2 can't be fixed.
#3 can't be fixed. You can reduce the grind to lower the barrier of entry, but that will hurt the economy more.
#4 look at #3
#5 With how much people have to invest in each pokemon they breed, you can't afford to leave it up to chance. Thus you lack this aspect in your game. (The only time players really feel good about RNG is either in battles, or when they catch a ton of dittos).



At this point in the game, you can't do anything that benefits both the comp scene and the economy. You crossed that line when breeding was first implemented.

LOL .. i can't tell if you are joking or not XD

if not then this is one of your biggest "against" new breeding system you have ever made XD so my guessing is that the next one will be the complete opposite to this

but for the time being i completely agree with this XD

[Opinions on new breeding?]

Oh I know you're one of those, but I mean people who often don't speak in these threads xD

 

I could count those ppl who have "common sense" to you now and those who have "non-sense" will still out-vote you :P

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From two 6x31 parents your chances of getting a 5x were pretty good (11%) and your chances to get a 6x were there (around 3.7%). While you were not an owner of those, be sure there was an increasing number of players who owned a 6x31 couple, damaging the economy one egg at a time. Even the babies coming out of these two were usually godly UTs, they just needed a nature which was 40% of the time. Since these people were furiously aiming to produce 5x and 6x breeders, they had to get rid of their 4x and 3x to make room in the PC, and quick sales went for even lower than my previously stated 200k.

 

Yes, that was convenient from a competitive point of view. Start the game, get yourself recruited by a competitive team, and you would have everything you need quickly. However, that was destroying the trading part of the game. You have to be patient, because we had to start from point zero, and that was making breeding very hard and expensive. But this will continuously change in future updates, while restoring old comps to having a real value attached to them. Think about the first breeding system "3 IVs inherited at random, and the other 3 limited by the average of the parents". That was bad, and although it did not really harm the market, it was a lot of pointless grinding, and the new breeding is so much better than it.

That goes against the laziness part as you mention we had to grind "eggs" to get better ones but on the contrary to the current system we always start from where we left .. not all the way up again like it is now.

 

either way as i stated before all this talk now is meaningless cuz i will never have fun in the current system and you will never be convinced about the old system .. even more DS made it clear they have no intention of bringing it back .. so we all just have to wait and see what's coming and how would it turn out to be.

[Properly Level Up Your Pokemon, Fast Leveling Up Guide.]

Give him a break, so he made some mistakes so what ? a constructive feedback would be much better than this wall of criticizing. he made it clear its his first try in writing a guide so show some appreciation or don't bother commenting at all.

 

anyway its a good start specially for newbies who doesn't know about lucky egg, how exp. share works and how to make a good use of a high levelled pokemon in-order to level a lower level one.

 

but as OldKeith said the percentage is a little off and you should make a use of the daycares since they can hold up to 3 pokes in kanto and 2 pokes in hoenn and they all get 60% each of the experience you gain through battles (each daycare are only active while you are in its region only)

 

keep it up :)

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I think everyone telling you that the market was crashing, supporting with arguments and just following common sense really is pretty stronger than "maybe i have been in another game or something". It's okay, you may have been just oblivious to the market. But think for a moment: if everyone is cloning the same 6x31, 5x31 comps, who would need to buy them anymore? Since you can just borrow one from your team mates and clone it yourself. You might have played when this easy breeding was new, and then of course everyone was crazy to get the 6x31 parents. But that was slowly killing the value of comps, for the reasons stated in pretty much any breeding thread. Just take a look inside them, they won't bite.

 

[spoiler]you can screenshot me your trainer card with the ign and join date, you made me curious. although I did know pretty much every good breeder in game, and I remember no Yugi[/spoiler]

nobody was getting 5x and 6x everyday since there where 3 random ivs with -8,+3 so it wasn't that common as you guys say.

and i never said i was a good breeder i have never even had my own 5x31 .. had many 2x & 3x though since my breeders was only 4x31-1x30. 

 

if you still curious though i could post it later if you want.

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I can't do that cause unlike u a lot of us did breed a lot of pokemon with this system, made profit with this system and DIDN'T hurt the economy by doing it, that's why is selfish and lazy when u ask to get the old breeding system back, you're just asking for yourselves

Wrong .. making a profit out of this system doesn't make you an economy saver. i have bred using that system more than enough to be sure its not about profit .. its about fun and tedious.

under the old system i have made 3mil breeding, selling tms, items and almost everything. i used half of them in the new system breeding and didn't make a single yen out of it cuz i bred them for myself. and made 7 mil selling wild catch's "which was the only thing that have improved" since the update.

so acttually its alot easier to make money now than before even if it isn't from breeding. its just harder to make from breeders now and thats proves i'm not after the profit but the fun.

 

Sorry but who are you?

 

I was one of the first people breeding Smeargles when breeding became easy, I was there since breeding allowed you to get something equal to your worst parent, if you were lucky. Then breeding got so easy I was unable to sell 4x31s for as much as 300k. I even bought 5x31 eevees for less than 500k, ask DestructX.

 

If you think the market was not constantly dropping pokemon prices, you must be new.

 

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i'm sorry .. you must have been super lucky to get those or maybe i have been super unlucky cuz i had begging for 4x31 eevess for about 400k but still no one sold to me.

and the last 6x31 smeargle i saw selling was for 1.5 mil and quagsier was about 2mil .. so maybe i have been in another game or something.

 

P.S : didn't know the forum membership could tell the in-game membership or something .. do i have to tell you my in-game name to know that i joined dec-2013 (sorry thought it was 2012 XD ) ?

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The main purpose of the change was to make comps actually valuable. And it did. In the past you were getting 4x31s for less than 200k. That was bad and the values kept dropping. A person who had a ditto close to perfection could also benefit a lot by cloning genderless/male pokemon and making a ton of money. The change is visible now, as you can see a lot of comps going over 1 million. There was no other possible way to fix an economy in which every comp would eventually become worthless. It was a necessary move. There may be a better solution to this, but someone is yet to find it, so I am happy with what we have for now. 

 

correction since you obiously didn't have anything to do with the market back then .. 4x was worth about 600k and 5x was worth about 800-1mil and finally 6x was worth 1.2mil+ back then and it wasnt droping since i almost daily for the 2-3 months pre-update was buying 3x for 100-200k trying to get my own 4-5x

and since you mentioned it again maybe perfect comps now worth 1mil+ but it takes days or weeks to sell and even the same to make so it is a lost cause to me and for many others .. go look on the trade chat if you want to confirm .. you'll see the same comps selling all day long with no buyers or whatsoever 

 

He has a point.
Even if the poll were redone, you have to look at this from a purely unbiased perspective.  When you ask this question "What system do you prefer?" you're asking this:
Do you prefer the more difficult but more economical solution?  Do you prefer the system that allows you to mass breed Pokemon for little to no cost, or do you prefer the system that makes you invest some currency and items into your Pokemon?
That being said asking this question will never result in an unbiased answer.  The fact is most people are going to choose what benefits them most, and that would be easily and cheaply made comps. 
It's not a matter of "What is the best system" it's "What system benefits me the most?" that's being asked here.

 

I think you are wrong again .. i think you are missing the point .. we are not in real life to make a system that has an overprotected economy .. any good economy will do just fine .. when we are in game mmo or not we are looking for fun, relax and enjoyment. not stress,headache, tedious process. 

i said many many times that MMOs maybe implementing grinding but in much better ways that makes it enjoyable and fun to do like dungeon , raids, team pvps and so on .. never ever they made a heavy solo grinding ever.

let's just face it .. devs needed a distraction "an end-game content" so they made catchMMO back until they figure out what to do as an end-game content .. just a stupid time-consuming mechanism thats all.

 

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I don't get it why all ppl whose defending the new system calls the ones wanting the older system to return being lazy ? we have made posts more than enough to show enough concern & activity towards the concept itself rather than just quitting or change activity or whatever ppl do this days if they found something too hard for them to work with. just sit for a sec and think about it before you call us lazy or selfish. 

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A new poll might actually show the same result, but I doubt it. Considering the amount of new players getting emotional over loosing some pogemans. Implying pokemons are anything but tools.
The old breeding system is better for each individual, considering how easy it was to get comps. I mean who wouldn't reverse it so they could exploit it again. But it was cancer for this game as an mmo and destroyed the economy.

as if the new breeding made the economy a solid-proof or something .. its even worse than ever as it is if i might say .. again lets all talk about it again after the "exact ivs, trade hub, hidden power control .. etc" and see if it turns out to work better than it was before.

 

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I'm so fucking tired of reading this bullshit again and again and again I have 120+ fucking comp pokemon and I've been playing this thing for a year and a month now, before this new breeding system I bred 63 pokemons and I've bred 57+ Pokemon with this system, 90% of them from zero, I've been in every official since I got the time from my university and I've reached even semi finals and I'm not a "elitist". So u tell me, are we playing a different game? If you're lazy that's YOUR thing, don't blame the system, ofc there is an important grinding right now but things will get better after the update, you just have to have patience and believe me that joining a team helps with all of this

 

told you before .. your way of having fun is not necessarily mine so don't accuse anybody of being lazy just because they can't have fun in this bullshit grinding.

also if you are so tired from those threads then simply don't read, replay or even care about it .. its that simple

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I'm not saying the breeding is flawless, but it will be alot better when the new update finally arrives. Soon, kek. Not even gonna explain why old breeding is cancer. No way they will change it back.

Even though the poll can be manipulated in both directions it still doesn't mean its reliable. Not really sure how big of a problem it's one these forums either.I mean who bothers making 50 alts for a poll no one cares about. Assuming the poll wasn't manipulated it was still made when a people where raging on the new breeding (might even have been before the update had been launched actually.) alot of people lost their way of gaining cash so it's only natural they stared rioting.

Edit: just saw that poll isn't as outdated as I thought. My point is still kinda relevant tho..

Agree to disagree then :) your fun isn't fun to me and my fun isn't fun to you .. if we made another poll today it would still outclass the new breeding even though most of the old breeding supporters has either quit or left the game for the time being but still many of the current players would rather the old one or at least having their parent kept alive .. but once again lets just wait and hope for the best :)

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5k braces doesn't take away the poke-grinding nor making it fun to mix movesets and natures. but will definitely make the game playable again.

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This thread again...

Breeding isn't as bad as I might seem at first. Poll is old and to easy to manipulate to be trustworthy. Also considering how big the actual community is compared to the forurenser you can't get a reliable opinion here.

 

I have to disagree with all what you've said here .. it is much worth than what i have thought first XD even after 8 months of that ... update ... and calling that the poll is outdated and easy to manipulate is a wrong assumption since it can be manipulated either way and given that it has more than double the votes against the new mech. even the ones defending the new mech admitted its validity in voting but called the majority "short sighted" and don't know whats good for them "ask DS if you want to confirm XD"

 

anyway i lost all hope for it to be back like it was once before "fun" and i decided to wait until it is a 1-2 years old experiment so we can call it beyond doubt as a failure experiment.

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Can anyone please explain to me what was the problem with the old breeding system again?

Nothing, they just thought the economy was getting broken back then .. they broke it even worse now.

[Phisical or Special moves]

You can use this guide, it should be what you are looking for.

and in-game there is a tooltip on your pokemon's move that tells you whither it is a physical, special or status move but its only available if the pokemon knows the move ( not available in the pokedex )

[Player Based Rentable Pokes]

Didnt know runescape did this. I feel like butters on the simpsons did it episode of southpark

 

Anyway i dont see a point in putting a 1 poke limit on it. But it would need a limit or else everyone would just put all of their pokes on the renting hub bc wynaut.

would be even better :)

[Player Based Rentable Pokes]

I actually like the idea .. will make a use out of my breeders other than sitting there in pc box and would make breeder again worthwhile.