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    Off Topic Suggestion Thread

    in Suggestion Archive

    Posted · Edited by Zehkar
    Don't avoid the word filter please

    Sigh, I didn't really want to post anything in this thread anymore but I guess I'll give it one more go.
     
    I really don't understand what the point of making this thread was. It's become apparent that the staff members don't really want to work with the mass majority of users that frequent Off Topic. They're more eager to refit it to their vision of Off Topic should be to them, which doesn't make sense. You can't force a change when the community is what makes the subforum the way it is without changing the community drastically.
     
    I understand that most staff do not go to Off Topic. That's understandable, not everyone has to go to every section of the forum - I only visit CM, OT, and 1-2 threads in RT. But what I don't get is, these staff members, who do not visit Off Topic out of enjoyment (by enjoyment, I mean you are coming here to OT out of your own free will as a user aka NOT as a moderator)  or to even post in any of the discussion threads or to read different topics/video game threads/laidback zone/etc etc etc, want to alter it drastically. The only times I see them really venture into the subforum is if, presumably the OT mod needs advice on how to moderate a post, or they need to moderate/lock threads because they're a global/game and the OT isn't on (which that is reasonable; if armistice is making a MLP thread, that shit better get locked :^) likewise, spamming threads like OT 2.0 Rules etc, while funny, need to be locked too).
     
    But if you have an inadvertent hatred for the section and many of its users (Darkshade), why do you have the most input? Jesus christ, that would be like them telling me that I had free reigns over Competition Alley. Holy shit, that would not end well for that section. Good thing when I was staff, I was given sections I was interested in (Multimedia, Customization (RIP my sweet sections that had no apparent difference) and Trade Corner) - it's a shame that doesn't seem to be happening to poor Off Topic.
     
    I don't understand staff's obsession with trying to mediate and force discussion in Off Topic (though, this is mostly Darkshade, because he was like this when we changed OT to OT 2.0 years ago). While I don't like the idea of deleting threads (I like to read past threads from time to time), I've accepted that this is just something that's going to happen and nothing I say or any member (that words it rationally) will stop it. BUT if I can't fight the deleted threads, then I guess I'll have to B I T C H and moan about this new proposed ideas and hope that maybe someone will read this post.
     
    So. I find it...absurd to try and make a plethora of megathreads for topics. I'll make this special snowflake font to catch people-that-don't-want-to-read-this's attention: Don't make megathreads for topics
     
    Don't make a general TV show thread. I watch like... one of the shows that has a thread and like to read people's interactions, but there are other shows I plan to watch (Game of Thrones). But in a megathread, you're going to force me to accidentally come across spoilers because you don't want people to have their own thread? Silly.
     
    The "Video game general thread" was "your favorite game," which I saw more as a thread to post in when I wanted to say I was having fun with a certain game, but didn't want to dive too much into it because I figured no one played it, or the game wasn't new so any hype over its release would have been gone by now. There are other games tho, like Heroes of the Storm, Fallout 4, etc, where hype was up and people are actively playing it, so having a discussion in the same fucking thread would be too annoying. 10 people trying to talk over each other about 2 different games? that would be obnoxious. Jesus christ, trying to having a discussion in the fucking Laidback Team thread is too goddamn annoying right now and it's completely turning me off from posting my opinions because by the time I've seen the post, we're already 6 topics away from the one I wanted to respond to. WHY would you want to do this in a thread where there'll be multiple fucking games that more than 4 people are playing? Off the top of my head, Anjovies, me, DoctorPBC, Heimann, Sneakywhatever, Rigamorty, and some other people have talked or expressed interest in HOTS and have been talking about it for weeks, so that should definitely warrant a thread of its own.
     
    Don't pin threads. These popular topics you mentioned Eggplant never fall on page 2, and if a person can't be bothered enough to check the first page of Off Topic, why would they click pinned threads? Pinned stuff should be reserved only for the rules.
     
    I don't know why I bother with this though! Darkshade made it perfectly clear that he is not interested in listening to me or talking to me about OT. He made it clear to me that he probably thinks he has more influence than anyone on staff does, because all I took out of our last conversation was that despite senior game master Kudasai as well as Squirtle saying I will become off-topic moderator, he kept implying it was "up for debate", sans chatlog from 2 days ago:
     
    [spoiler]<17:11:28> "Deejaye": so, out of curiosity, how long do you expect ot to be closed for ds? since i'm assuming you + noad are the only staff that have a say in what will happen to ot
    <17:11:55> "Deejaye": and I hope that doesn't come across as uh, negative or agitated
    <17:12:07> "Deejaye": it's mostly me observing and wondering
    <17:12:38> "Darkshade": No idea tbh
    <17:13:26> "Deejaye": so what even are your plans on how to change it
    <17:14:16> "Darkshade": I'm not going to say anything before it's publically announced~
    <17:14:23> "Deejaye": Darkshade
    <17:14:28> "Deejaye": I'm going to be the OT mod
    <17:14:36> "Deejaye": unless you and Noad convince squirtle otherwise
    <17:14:48> "Deejaye": hiding it from me makes absolutely no sense
    <17:15:00> "Deejaye": I should know what's going to happen to my own section
    <17:18:24> "Deejaye": also please don't ignore me
    <17:20:25> "Darkshade": I'm not, we're having a discussion. We don't know if the role of Off Topic mod is up for grabs now that Daft has gone
    <17:20:33> "Darkshade": and Squirtle is currently away, so everything is on hold
    <17:21:46> "Deejaye": except I talked to squirtle 2-3 days ago and he said I would be OT mod
    <17:22:05> "Darkshade": That's fine but that was 2-3 days ago
    <17:24:15> "Deejaye": The only reason I'm not OT mod is because the section is closed, which is what he told me. Unless you believe his words has a 2-3 day expiration date
    <17:24:36> "Darkshade": I do, because we've held discussions since
    <17:24:45> "Darkshade": I'm just telling you how things are currently, I don't know how they pan out
    <17:25:02> "Darkshade": or *will pan out
    <17:25:02> "Darkshade": even
    <17:27:24> "Deejaye": All I'm getting from this, however, is that you don't want me to moderate off topic for no apparent reason because I don't know why his word would change unless you explicitly told him you think I shouldn't be staff
    <17:28:12> "Deejaye": Unless you would like to explain to me what the "discussions" were about because, unless there's a guarantee I'm NOT going to be OT mod, then I see no reason why his opinion would chang.
    <17:28:15> "Deejaye": change*
    <17:29:14> "Darkshade": I haven't spoken to him since he left on holiday, you're welcome to take away whatever you'd like however I'm not going to discuss the contents of these discussions with you as you count as a player as of right now
    <17:36:34> "Deejaye": sigh. regardless, it was stated that you guys would be communicating what you planned to change about OT, and yet again, you haven't done that. leaving it as a surprise for when it opens - which, it seems to have made no progress and I personally still don't understand why it was closed - is a poor decision. this shouldn't have taken more than 2-3 days, but it seems you guys keep pushing it to the side. I am and a lot of posters will be extremely disappointed that there are practically no plans of when it will be opening.[/spoiler]
     
    i'm out for blood guys
    i'm tired of not feeling like i'm heard
    i'm tired of OT being closed for stupid reasons
    i'm tired of mods that hate the OT community deciding they know what's best
     
    OT didn't need any dramatic changes, it didn't need to be closed for a fucking week where staff twiddled their uguu and decided what to do. Open Off Topic, and let me be moderator so I can do my thing in peace, maybe then you globals don't have to tip toe in and start crying about how awful their community base is.
     
    [spoiler]also I didn't want to make a post in fear that my words would be used against me as an example of "why Deejaye shouldn't be OT moderator," but oh well, I guess I blew those chances out the window. I'm sorry I feel so passionately about my friends who are being practically persecuted for the actions of a couple other members.[/spoiler]

     

     

    edit: TLDR; I'M TRIGGERED

    [Temporary] Laidback Team

    in Trash

    Posted · Edited by Deejaye

    from what I hear about league, the playerbase is pretty cancerous - the nice thing about HOTS is that in my experience, there's been only 1 instance where I had a teammate that was uh, not a team player I guess? story time:

    One time my friends and I got a guy playing murky, and one of my friends made a comment in chat saying we weren't going to do well in team fights because murky wasn't very useful in team fights (which is true, murky is just good at pushing), and the dude flipped the fuck out and refused to play for the rest of the match because he was triggered or some shit idfk, either way, when i told him to stop afking because he was being detrimental to the team, he said "yeah, well if kerrigan didn't have to be a uguu, this wouldn't happen" and when I told him that was dumb logic, he said he was blocking me and my friend (who was playing kerrigan), so my friends and I made sure to report him for not being a team player, refusing to play, etc etc :^)

     

    but herp, if you do play HOTS, just make sure to focus more on objectives than fighting the other team, matches end poorly if you don't do objectives

    [Temporary] Laidback Team

    in Trash

    Posted

    What's the point of even going on this forum currently when there isn't even a planned ETA of when OT will be reopen?

    I have no art to post in my art thread so no point to post there. I just want to talk about HOTS, stuff that brightens my day, cute adorable romantic stuff, delicious food, games I've been playing, movies I've seen, etc but this thread is too lolrandom to have a conversation at all.

    [Art][Sig]

    in Creative Archive

    Posted

    Feed back for dis? First time trying smudge.

    W3RIVfY.jpg

    the critique no one but heiman has been looking for

     

    Regarding text: text font could be better but I see you changed it in your signature, and that one is better so no complaints with the that font. I would have maybe made the font color the color of his pocket's hankerchief but idk how that would look plus that's me being extremely nit picky.

    Smudge: The flow of it is very good overall. My eye travels along it well. (: But, I have like, 2 complaints? The smudge on the right side that's his skin tone that fans out is distracting. My eyes kinda keep jumping between that big blotch and the render like "what should i pay attention to more ):" 2nd complaint is something that idk if you can fix? The seperation between smudge colors are very jaggy which I'm assuming is because you're using a mouse so that's not something you can fix I'm guessing? unless i guess you are super precise? zzz I don't know

     

    overall a+ jelly of heiman's ability to smudge, going to SMUDGE HIS FACE OFF to make myself feel better

    Off Topic Suggestion Thread

    in Suggestion Archive

    Posted · Edited by Deejaye

     

    If a thread is that far down in the section should it even exist at that point just for someone to maybe necro? The answer is no. It makes the section look dirty because there are more dead topics than active topics. I'm not saying the last 20 pages of OT should be locked threads because those should be trashed after a certain amount of time as it is. If someone wants to start the discussion again I fail to see how reviving a 2-3 year old thread is better than just starting a fresh one.

    Because if you make a new topic, it'll just be the exact same discussion and the process will repeat?  

     

     

    That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if a discussion has run its course at that time why should it stick around just to be spammed? If there is no more discussion to be had then the OP should request a lock.

    Also, making the assumption that people will "spam" threads when they necro one isn't a very optimistic viewpoint. That's also preemptive moderation - "close it because what might happen" - which isn't a good way to moderate something (in my opinion) as well as being something a lot of OT posters don't like anyway.

     

     

    A moderator should only step in on a discussion if it moves into a realm that should not be discussed on these forums. This not only gives a more relaxed atmosphere, but ensures that inactive discussions don't just rot in the bowels of OT just because someone might someday revive the topic.

    this seems to contradict itself but idk, maybe I'm reading it wrong. 

     

    Honestly tho, I'm sorry Xela, you're a cool guy and all, but I'm not sure if there's not really a point in me discussing this with you because as I stated earlier, a difference in moderation style. We're not going to convince eachother otherwise because we're set in how we see how things should be.

     

     

    What about having tags in front of OT Thread titles such as [Serious], [Joke], etc.

    So it becomes clear what kind of posts go in what kind of thread. This way the mods only have to remove unappropriate content in [Joke] threads and Off-topic (yes this is possible) in [Serious] threads.

    not every section on the forum needs [Labels]. and lol silly

    Off Topic Suggestion Thread

    in Suggestion Archive

    Posted

    It's not that it's redundant, it becomes a rule for discussion threads and here's why. 

    I think you got my points mixed up, Xela. I said that an OP has always has the ability to request their thread to be locked, so you saying this:

     

    Maybe something that can go hand in hand with some more lax moderation is that the OP of serious debate threads can request their thread be locked once they feel everything that can be said about the topic has been said.

    is redundant, because they can already do this.

     

     

    As you stated, once everything that could be said on a topic has been said then it becomes a big spam magnet. Why should a topic remain open just for people to randomly derail the thread when the discussion is over? If the discussion is over then it is over, there is no need to keep it around and therefore should be closed. However, when the topic reaches this point is not always up to staff, the OP should be sharing the responsibility in looking over the thread. The majority of threads I locked were just plain spam threads or became more trouble to moderate than they were worth.

    All this is is a difference in moderation style. In my personal opinion, I would rather a thread die in the depths of OT and maybe be necro'd every now and then rather than the last 20 pages of OT's threads be filled with locked threads that no one can post in.

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