ThePrettyPetard

i didn't address much of your conter point becaus i allready stated that for half i was with you and for the other half you where basically saying "i don't care about those people" wich isn't something that you can counter/address in any other way than trying to open your eyes like i was trying to do. well i can sort agree with you that there will always be people complaining but that is why you should try to make this number the smallest possible. if it take 2 year of work to get 2% more people happy then yes it isn't worth it to delay the update but if it only 1 week to get 10% more people happy insted of angry why not do it? you also claimed (i think it was you too lazy to check and quote you) that we will never get anything done if we try to make everyone happy, but that way we would never get an happy comunity and just add something to the list of thing we will never have. your vision only leave place to a need to always kill some of our loyal player to improve the game when there isn't always such a need. there are other alternative to sacrifice. assuming the number of people i talked this with isn't a nice way to have an argument with someone it just feel like your throwing dirt on me when you could have just asked with how many people i talked with. even if i only talked with 5 or 6 people if they come from different group and all give the same anwser then even if the sample is very small it still show an obvious patern. but due to my random nature i probably got the opinion of something around 10 people completly unrelated to me or each other (might be related becaus of the small comunity but still where contacted radomly) and the patern i saw was more than obviously showed the same concern at different level. well i am sorry that my tendency to leave things unclear sometime might affect your ability to understand my argument but you also claimed that i missed your argument has well so maybe we both need to work on getting understood better.

the thing that you don't understand is that pretty much everyone see that and we don't argue about it. you think only by logic using the game mechanic when other like me think about the human factor wich is a bit harder to understand for many but also harder to explain. for the human factor i'll just explain it with my own way of seeing it. by disapointing someone that you said you would help you loose a bit of his trust and each time you disapoint him i just get worse and worse if you get to a point where a person has no more trust in you that person can either quite you or turn on you if he is attached to something between you (maybe even both). this person that left probably got angry enough at you that he will spread the word of how bad you are and maybe even add some extra to make you look more bad becaus you pushed to much. when refering to this game people just start spreading hate toward the devs for their lack of care for us and this spread has a desease that will just make the next person more encline to leave quicker than it would normally have. so this also affect the community in the long run and not in a good way. from my time i spent in the game talking with many different people i could see that people want to trust the devs to be good with us but sadly many are on the edge of giving up. this is only due to a lack of concern from the devs also since i see that you missinterpreted this: i'll give you a quick explanation. this meant that if the grind for pvp here gets too anoying people will just go away from pokemmo to go to that battle simulator aka another game. last thing could you please @Gunthug stop and think a little more about what someone is trying to say, maybe read it a few time and don't stop thinking at the first sense you see because there can be more than one and you could just be getting the wrong one

so at this point your sort of admitting that your whole argument was either arguing something that i wasn't arguing about in the first place of that your whole argument could have been summed up to i don't give a fuck sorry to ruin the fun a little i just enjoy talking with pure logic sometimes

if i wasn't one of those making argument i would be next to you enjoying the show

well now i can see why we don't think the same on this you consider only the game and the future while making your argument when i on the other hand consider both the game and the comunity without limiting to only the future like you do. you show a lack of concern about the way used to achive something like the devs did for this update (who knows you might have been a part of this) edit: atually about the devs needing to put the brake and pay out there is no such need has the staff team could handle such busiess has it something hard to gage on the price of the refund for it to be automated

well sorry about my broken english it isn't my native language after all but the issue with your analogies was that you point on the breeder/trader to be the issue wich isn't the real issue it just seems like you have a personal issue with them and like that they suffer from it.

well if i take your example it would rather need to be like this to reflect what happen here. the governement has a recepy for a pill that boost you (doesn't really mather how it boost for the example) but it was hard to make so pharmaceutical company cannot make a lot of them so the market decided the price that it would sell for based on supply and demand so the price got to 100 million but the goverment had a way to make them much more efficiantly and for much less and the government realeased them to do it without forcing them to tell people they would do it and they kept selling those pill in the mean time before the date it was forced to change to 150 bucks per pill. do you think it's fair for those that spent everything they had to buy/make one pill and can't even profit from being over many people? if you need more explanation about what is what in this example since you seems to talk before thinking sometime. the pharmaceutical company represent the breeder the custumer is those who buy genderless pokemon and the governement is obviously the devs. with that in mind i hope you can understand what i was trying to explain.

if you don't mind i would like if you could quote me on when i said it was ok for a comp to sell at over 10m or even close to that becaus despite what you think i like the change of the genderless breeding i just strongly dislike the lack of concern from the devs for those that where affected negativly

the comparaison isn't that far off becaus what was stolen wasn't the pokemon itself but rather value it's like buying somthing from the store only to see it get lowered in price the next week but this isn't for a special this is permanant many stores do refund in case like this becaus it anger people (it also doesn't really hurt the store much to do these refund) and make them want to return their product or just never come to that store again. yes you should always improve the store but not by stabing your loyal costumers this is just disrespectfull to do. and for your point about price going up and down that don't mather yeah your right it doesn't matther WHEN it's caused by the market itself and not someone destroying it ireversably. the thing that is pointless would be to be angry at something like the price of rp that droped becaus the market isn't hopeless to go back up one day it miht never happen but there is hope unlike for those genderless comp that will never sell again at 10m.

yes a hard decision but they took it alone without much concern about the player that could be affected negatively but they just left them behind when they could have helped everyone (maybe not everyone but more people) if they only took some time to consider the side effect and ways to reduce them the complain thread wouldn't be has bad

The thing about wanting to kill a dev or two wasn't meant to be a full serious thing but again with this update seems like the if your not happy then quit is comming back wich isn't a way to treat loyal player. And since you don't seem to care about wasting your time i guess that mean that you are perfectly okay if your save file just get deleted from here or any game that you play daily. By saying it's just a game it feels the same way has getting told to just quit would you enjoy getting that said to you about the things you love?

when i mentioned the wing i meant the ev item and not the vanity but doesn't matter to much. and you almost seem like you had a personal issue with genderless trader but what i meant has a fixing idea was something like refund (partially) those that have genderless comp like 3 month old or less (that was born before the update) this wouldn't be meant only for the trader since anyone owning one could get a partial refund. this wouldn't solve everything but that could solve enough for stoping most people from wanting to kill a dev or two side note even tho i am complaining i am not a genderless breeder/trader (i only own a meta old enough to not be considered by the refund) i just see how unfair this can be for loyal player just becaus they invested at the wrong place at the wrong time they don't deserve to be fucked over with an update like this

this game is lacking so much of end game content that we need something fairly big to fill up that hole and since you think this idea is only to speed up things a little you missed a big mmo point this could add with the lvl system for different activity. this point is grinding no need to make it easy to master every skill if you just take breeding has example and let's say the lvl max is 100 and that is when you get the best thing like brace for only 5k and that to get this lvl you need to breed the equivalent of 1000 5x31 natured could you say it's rediculous to give those player an interesting advantage like that? if every activity with a lvl has an insane amount of grind needed to have the max lvl then people will become specialized in some more specific area and feel rewarded for it. many people get hooked to games becaus of a lvling system so implementing such a thing here would be pretty beneficial for everyone. yeah i know the suggestion put the class system in front with a lvl system behind but those suggestion are mostly just inspiration so you take the best out of it, in this case the lvl system.

if you rush to cure cancer and kill 50% of the population while doing so when it only killed 1% per year then yeah there would be reason to complain the proplem isn't the change in itself it's the way used to do those said change

you remember what happen when they took all our wings for no reason with one of the update and gave us money under what they where valued has? well this time there is no refund and the lost is much more massive if they made something like giving a sort of refund to player that spent a lot of money on these genderless recently it would make this much less of a pain but no people just have to take it up their *** with no lube

well you basically reply to your own thread with pretty much nothing to say or say shit about other on other people thread but that's a bit more mean

people like @TeamUnicorn must be beyond salty with this update he invested pretty much all he had on genderless breeding he even donated a shit lot to get the money for it

this "fake" game money is something people care about becaus it can be converted into time and no one enjoy to be told that their effort was just a waste of time. if you worked hard for one pokemon just to have people tell you it is shit after you finished it hurts and it's something that isn't enjoyable so imagine when it get done to 4 (or more) of your pokemon at the same time and when you spent all you had on them at that point it doesn't feel like a slap on the face it rather feel like getting your ship exploded in the middle of the sea all you have left is a few plank at this point giving up is something that you start considering a lot

if you want a good tip just make 2 quick shitpost on this thread then go make an actual one in the suggestion box becaus yeah the 5 post minimum requiered is pooped and serve no real purpose

the only difference between the dungeon and this idea is how much it was accepted by the devs but i do get your point that they have a lot to do and we never get anything finished but let's be real here pokemon is over 20 years old and keep making new content so pokemmo will NEVER be fully finished wich in a way is a good thing becaus devs still got things to do for a long while. they aren't in a position to work on another big update yet but there will allways be big update that are comming so should we just stop making suggestion becaus they allready have work to do?i don't think that this suggestion was made to be done has an emergency thing on the devs to do list but rather something to consider to make this game much better with the classic soon™ at the end of it

theorically everything can be implemented so your comment is the most irrelevant here. what i wanted to say (i might have not made it obvious enough) is that you idea sound like i want to bring my pet to the vet and pay money to gamble if it will look cuter to sell it for more or in the case that you want to keep it you would just torture it until it's nice enough for you either case that's pretty messed up to do wich is why i am against your idea also my other point was that this thread is for quick little thing to add that don't need or cause any discussion like your idea for a dark theme on the forum

so you just like the game to be boring to say that we don't need it to change but still agree that there is no rewarding or fun? if that is not the case that would be nice if you could make up your mind

well if your not aware xatu is know for having shitty idea so i think some people just want to shit on his idea like usual despite the fact that this one is actually pretty good and couuld change this game for the better

well if i follow your logic the devs idea about dungeon should be thrown in the trash becaus it's to big and too much work and not esential cuz we could just get HA pokemon in the wild like regular pokemon this might be the only real thing in the way of this suggestion but i guess we will have to ask the devs if this is possible or not to implement something like this @Kyu @Shu @Desu i agree with you only half way in this priority list, yes bug/broken move/missing ability should be the priority but a new region wouldn't fix the issue of the lack of end game content like this idea would but this idea should be something to implement either at roughly the same time of the dungeons or latter but still before another region

limiting the class system to PvP related only and having the lvl system on the side for PvE would get the best out of everything i feel we could finnally get closer to becoming a pokemon society and since the devs love grind those lvl could be very grindy to do wich would fit in a mmo while still making it fun to lvl up and it would aslo make older player feel better than those that just joined becaus they have an advantage without it being rediculous edit: i wonder if the dev will love us or hate us to add this to their allready long to do list