KingBowser Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Wynaut should be addressed before it can be abused even more in tournaments. Speed wynaut does dugtrio job better at trapping walls, and it doesnt just trap and suicide walls, it can encore allowing mass setup, enabling the sweep. Wynaut is bulky enough to take two hits off most walls, allowing to encore and dbond it after switching in on it. Also bulk to survive some CB hits and countering back for the easy KO. Also can do the same on Sdef side. I dont know the characteristics for uber requirement, couldnt find the definition on here, but it should surely be there. 252 Atk Choice Band Aerodactyl Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Wynaut: 143-169 (70.7 - 83.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Wynaut: 174-205 (86.1 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO [spoiler] Before everyone thinks burnt started the wyanut, I was the one to sweep him first with the speed wynaunt :) [/spoiler] Edited March 23, 2015 by KingBowser Frag and LegendP 2 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 [spoiler] Before everyone thinks burnt started the wyanut, I was the one to sweep him first with the speed wynaunt :) [/spoiler] well jonaz ran it in the uu clash in july and vs me in some pokedaily as well. Anyways even though wynaut is pretty much as uncompetitive as it gets, I don't know if its really "ban-worthy" by any standards. Like wynaut can only really trap and kill one pokemon, and that's basically how it is for dugtrio as well. Losing one pokemon to a wynaut isn't always game changing, although I wouldn't mind wynaut getting banned either. [spoiler]why you have to be so rude :( [/spoiler] Link to comment
raaidn Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Pretty sure CB dugtrio can trap more than one pokemon. Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Pretty sure CB dugtrio can trap more than one pokemon. well depends on the situation, if it comes in on a resisted attack (ie cb rock slide from hera), cb aerial ace, and then cb pursuit aero comes in and kos dugtrio. Although if the dugtrio user is careful, yeah it can trap 1-3 pokemon probably, but probably not a sub reversal one Link to comment
PandaJJ Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Anyways even though wynaut is pretty much as uncompetitive as it gets, I don't know if its really "ban-worthy" by any standards. Like wynaut can only really trap and kill one pokemon, and that's basically how it is for dugtrio as well. If a pokemon is garuanteed a kill against any team not built specifically to counter that pokemon, it is broken by any definition. The real question here is whether wynaut actually has this trait. Link to comment
OldKeith Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I think before discussing its move to ubers, a discussion about Wynaut to BL would have been a wiser choice. I am not yet convinced Wynaut can do much in OU, but I will test it when I get the chance. Kiliminati 1 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I for one used it in OU and I think it a similar case to Dugtrio. During my time using it I learned it can revenge kill nearly every offensive pokemon and trap nearly anything into dbond. I don't think it is healthy to have a pokemon you can run to guarantee killing a wall in which gives you the chance to sweep and take advantage of your opponents team, which is now crippled. As for UU I believe it has more pokemon it can revenge kill, and more tanks to torture. I really don't like the ability of trapping for revenge kills or simply "guaranteeing" a kill. I'd like to see Wynaut in the Ubers dungeon. Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I think before discussing its move to ubers, a discussion about Wynaut to BL would have been a wiser choice. I am not yet convinced Wynaut can do much in OU, but I will test it when I get the chance. I think its similar to diglett when dugtrio was ubers. Yeah sure, it can trap a few pokemon in UU, but losing a pokemon in UU doesn't seem as game changing because its more offensive oriented. Walls in OU have a lot more purpose, blissey/snorlax cover all the special attackers that would be able to sweep the tier otherwise, slowbro covers many physical attackers, weezing covers many physical attackers as well. And "hyper offense" in OU isn't as effective as in UU just because the walls can actually wall the attackers of the tier. Link to comment
Frag Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I would not complain if we had a matchmaking system where you are pairing with a random person and you should play a balanced team to counter or beat most threats, like showdown, but our only competitive mode are tournaments in which you know before hand against whom you play and you have only one chance, making it a scout game rather than skill, and it takes only one pokemon like trio or wynaut to win easily, making our current metagame a lottery practically. DrCraig, KingBowser, OldKeith and 5 others 8 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or have, you know, team preview. Shaniqualela 1 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Bump, Wynaut still broken Still easily counters or comes in and encores to death in UU and OU. Wynaut support is stupid broken and I would like to see a reason why Shadow Tag + Dbond/MCoat/Counter/Encore isnt broken in UU, or even OU. Edited March 26, 2015 by DrCraig Link to comment
felix Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I made a similar thread about wynaut before the update and Senile and Robo didn't though it deserved a ban back then and I'm not sure what changed after the update that will make wynaut stronger than before. i wish they didn't trashed everything in competive assistance :/ Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I made a similar thread about wynaut before the update and Senile and Robo didn't though it deserved a ban back then and I'm not sure what changed after the update that will make wynaut stronger than before. i wish they didn't trashed everything in competive assistance :/ Wynaut can come in vs choice band locked pokemon and take them out. Curse snorlax is common as well which is an easy encore target, assuming the user has some way to deal with a snorlax that is locked into curse. Although some people may argue that the meta has shifted to a more offensive one and therefore wynaut trapping and killing a wall is not banworthy, but it seems to be quite the opposite. Pokemon like agility metagross and jolteon can really blossom once wynaut has taken out the problematic wall, and if the opponent doesn't run the wall in the first place, jolteon/metagross work still and wynaut can take out something like metagross/starmie/swampert/flygon/arcanine instead of the normal targets like blissey/snorlax. Link to comment
felix Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Wynaut can come in vs choice band locked pokemon and take them out. Curse snorlax is common as well which is an easy encore target, assuming the user has some way to deal with a snorlax that is locked into curse. Although some people may argue that the meta has shifted to a more offensive one and therefore wynaut trapping and killing a wall is not banworthy, but it seems to be quite the opposite. Pokemon like agility metagross and jolteon can really blossom once wynaut has taken out the problematic wall, and if the opponent doesn't run the wall in the first place, jolteon/metagross work still and wynaut can take out something like metagross/starmie/swampert/flygon/arcanine instead of the normal targets like blissey/snorlax. don't get me wrong, but isn't this suppose to tell why it should be banned from UU first? then discuss about banning it from OU? also, wynaut doesn't have that amount of free switches in. not sure about wynaut evs, so i will go with the deafult from smogon, feel free to correct me 252+ Atk Choice Band Hariyama Superpower vs. 152 HP / 180 Def Wynaut: 105-124 (55.5 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hariyama Superpower vs. 152 HP / 180 Def Wynaut: 70-83 (37 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Switching in a resisted stab superpower isn't that easy. Switching in a curse poke like miltank would have the risk, you can go for encore but the Miltank can go to attack, you can go with counter and it can go with another curse. I do think wynaut is unhealthy, but not sure if it is banworthy, usually it can take one poke down, after that it will be with low health that it can't do it again unless some wish support. like Metagross, you switch in when it goes for agility: 252 Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 152 HP / 180 Def Wynaut: 117-138 (61.9 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO you took metagross down, but wynaut will hardly be able to put another mon down. Link to comment
Senile Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 don't get me wrong, but isn't this suppose to tell why it should be banned from UU first? then discuss about banning it from OU? Nope. If it's too strong for OU, it's not like we're gonna not ban it just because it's in UU. [spoiler]not that it's getting banned at all but yknow[/spoiler] felix 1 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 wynaut confirmed wynaut counter? DrCraig 1 Link to comment
Noad Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I will be closing this due to the implementation of our new policies: https://forums.pokem...-tier-policies/ If you feel that this Pokemon needs it's own thread for a more focused discussion, please post your reasoning here: https://forums.pokem...request-thread/ All general OU meta discussion will now take part in the OU viability thread: https://forums.pokem...ability-thread/ Link to comment
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