I'm gonna try to make a good rant about this, since I've heard that this has been attempted before but to no success.
So I've been talking recently with other players about the amount of pokemons that are not going to leave GTL until the end of time (If the owner never stops playing). And right now you're problably like "How is it your problem?" It isn't, but yet it is. Let me explain.
Imagine this: I own a super market, I have muliple products, most of them have an expiration date, so if they expire I can no longer sell them. So I replace the expired item with a "refreshed" item. Makes sense. I place porducts for sale and I know that they have a defined expiration date.
What happens in GTL is that old things are not being "refreshed", They are just sitting there. And one day GTL will have stuff that is 1 Year old. This shouldn't happen.
"But why?"
Well, don't despair, let me give you a few points to prove my theory
- There's stuff on GTL that have been there since Christmas (GTL release). Honestly, when GTL was released, I thought the 7 day timer was a static countdown, a fixed expiration date, if that was the case the fee would be expensive but being a fixed expiration actually made sense, yet it isn't.
Now you can argue that there is an expiration date, whoever places that needs to not play the game for a week. Yeah, but if that happened there wouldn't be that many stuff since Christmas there.
Someone else might say that "I sold recently something that I placed on GTL months ago." That's a valid point, and I don't doubt it, but you're one in hundreds or maybe thousands.
- The amount of clutter that ended up resulting on a lot of undercutting. No one is really sure how much a pokemon with no 31s is worth anymore: "Oh it should be about 2k to 7k".Nice price range LOL.This is the reason some pokemons, regardless of IVs, aren't worth jack nowadays, because ppl are selling so many of them and they keep undercutting everyone with "crappy" pokemon in the hopes that they will sell fast. Guess what, that below average *insert pokemon name* that you placed months ago for like 5k is still there, simply because the price dropped to 1.4k because it wouldn't sell.
Even tho it seems really bad to lose a fee within a certain amount of time, you're exactly at the same position right now, you're still losing that fee because you didn't sell it yet.
- I haven't played an MMO where their Auction House (Which is like our GTL, with Bids on the top) didn't have a fixed/static countdown for expiration. From WoW to Elder Scrolls Online and even crappy Runes of Magic. I've played a LOT of them. Even tho mods think ppl here have no idea how an MMO works I kinda have to differ, and prove my point, like I'm doing now. But for this point I don't really have to prove much. Those Auction Houses also have posting fees (Small ones but they're there), and some of them just keep their items for a few days, not even a week. And it works. "But if we do that with small fees ppl would just repost it when it ended".Yes, but maybe there's a few upsides to that.That person would probably have to cut the price a little bit, and post it again just to realise after it expires again that the item/pokemon is probably garbage, and not post it again because he is losing cash.
But I'll give more details to the actual suggestion after I'm done giving details to my points
- No one wants to take down the items/pokemons themselves, because it is always a lost fee. Having a fixed expiration date will make some people think twice before putting all the junk they caught in several safari runs in GTL, maybe they'll just post the ones that have like 3*25+, which are worth buying, for any player really.
Now i want to give a few Pros and Cons that would end up resulting if GTL gets a fixed/static expiration date for its things
Pros:
- Less clutter, people would just stop trying to sell garbage or overpriced pokemon after a while.
- The above also indicates that Hand-to-Hand trading would be incentivated even further for Competitive-ready pokemons mainly, and it might give the spanish/brazilians a reason to play the game again. For as much as i don't like them, the game needs players right?
- The undercutting might remaing the same, but the pricing range will be more stable, because the stuff that won't sell will leave GTL. Now you can say that they might just place it again, but the thing is that they can't really place it for the same price or it won't sell and they'll end up "losing" their fee again, they'll have to undercut it, and eventually all the clutter will be at a price that might be worth buying, or some might just get released just to avoid losing more on fees.
- Easier time filtering through a wider range of IVs (Very helpful for Budget breeding, and HP breeding to some extent)
Cons:
- Ppl crying like babies: "Muahhh! I lost 20k+ on fees because my garbage/overpriced stuff didn't sell!" (Buh-freakin-uh to these guys)
- More DB entries
That's it really.
Now to the actual details of my suggestion: As you can predict, GTL should have a fixed expiration date from the moment the item is placed. In my opinion it should be a month , or maybe even 2 months. Most stuff i buy on GTL aren't even 2 weeks old, so i think 1 month is fair. Hell, if something isn't sold within 2 months something is very wrong with it. I don't think the fee should be any higher or any lower, most stuff that isn't overpriced sells within that time for sure.
I see a valid "implementation" reason to why this shouldn't be applied, which is applying a fixed expiration date to all current sales is probably annoying work. But those are the ones that need it. Now idk how these entries are managed on the backend of things, maybe it is done so that having an item stay there forever is better for the overall state of the database (because keeping putting an item up will generate more lines, and idk how the DB handles sold and/or expired items), but should it really be like that?
Also, if GTL ever gets Bidding, they will need a fixed expiration date too, otherwise it will just run forever, but in this case it can't be a month, it should be few days to a week max.
EDIT: I'm gonna add something related to the suggestion. So I went ahead and tried to find where are the 1 month old GTL pokemons, starting from the first item ever placed there (Xmas 2015 - 150 days ago +/-). And after 900 clicks I got my answer.
Almost 1/3 of the stuff that is in GTL is more than 1 month old, which is an even higher number than what i was expecting.
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Kailido
I'm gonna try to make a good rant about this, since I've heard that this has been attempted before but to no success.
So I've been talking recently with other players about the amount of pokemons that are not going to leave GTL until the end of time (If the owner never stops playing). And right now you're problably like "How is it your problem?" It isn't, but yet it is. Let me explain.
Imagine this: I own a super market, I have muliple products, most of them have an expiration date, so if they expire I can no longer sell them. So I replace the expired item with a "refreshed" item. Makes sense. I place porducts for sale and I know that they have a defined expiration date.
What happens in GTL is that old things are not being "refreshed", They are just sitting there. And one day GTL will have stuff that is 1 Year old. This shouldn't happen.
"But why?"
Well, don't despair, let me give you a few points to prove my theory
- There's stuff on GTL that have been there since Christmas (GTL release). Honestly, when GTL was released, I thought the 7 day timer was a static countdown, a fixed expiration date, if that was the case the fee would be expensive but being a fixed expiration actually made sense, yet it isn't.
Now you can argue that there is an expiration date, whoever places that needs to not play the game for a week. Yeah, but if that happened there wouldn't be that many stuff since Christmas there.
Someone else might say that "I sold recently something that I placed on GTL months ago." That's a valid point, and I don't doubt it, but you're one in hundreds or maybe thousands.
- The amount of clutter that ended up resulting on a lot of undercutting. No one is really sure how much a pokemon with no 31s is worth anymore: "Oh it should be about 2k to 7k". Nice price range LOL. This is the reason some pokemons, regardless of IVs, aren't worth jack nowadays, because ppl are selling so many of them and they keep undercutting everyone with "crappy" pokemon in the hopes that they will sell fast. Guess what, that below average *insert pokemon name* that you placed months ago for like 5k is still there, simply because the price dropped to 1.4k because it wouldn't sell.
Even tho it seems really bad to lose a fee within a certain amount of time, you're exactly at the same position right now, you're still losing that fee because you didn't sell it yet.
- I haven't played an MMO where their Auction House (Which is like our GTL, with Bids on the top) didn't have a fixed/static countdown for expiration. From WoW to Elder Scrolls Online and even crappy Runes of Magic. I've played a LOT of them. Even tho mods think ppl here have no idea how an MMO works I kinda have to differ, and prove my point, like I'm doing now. But for this point I don't really have to prove much. Those Auction Houses also have posting fees (Small ones but they're there), and some of them just keep their items for a few days, not even a week. And it works.
"But if we do that with small fees ppl would just repost it when it ended". Yes, but maybe there's a few upsides to that. That person would probably have to cut the price a little bit, and post it again just to realise after it expires again that the item/pokemon is probably garbage, and not post it again because he is losing cash.
But I'll give more details to the actual suggestion after I'm done giving details to my points
- No one wants to take down the items/pokemons themselves, because it is always a lost fee. Having a fixed expiration date will make some people think twice before putting all the junk they caught in several safari runs in GTL, maybe they'll just post the ones that have like 3*25+, which are worth buying, for any player really.
Now i want to give a few Pros and Cons that would end up resulting if GTL gets a fixed/static expiration date for its things
Pros:
- Less clutter, people would just stop trying to sell garbage or overpriced pokemon after a while.
- The above also indicates that Hand-to-Hand trading would be incentivated even further for Competitive-ready pokemons mainly, and it might give the spanish/brazilians a reason to play the game again. For as much as i don't like them, the game needs players right?
- The undercutting might remaing the same, but the pricing range will be more stable, because the stuff that won't sell will leave GTL. Now you can say that they might just place it again, but the thing is that they can't really place it for the same price or it won't sell and they'll end up "losing" their fee again, they'll have to undercut it, and eventually all the clutter will be at a price that might be worth buying, or some might just get released just to avoid losing more on fees.
- Easier time filtering through a wider range of IVs (Very helpful for Budget breeding, and HP breeding to some extent)
Cons:
- Ppl crying like babies: "Muahhh! I lost 20k+ on fees because my garbage/overpriced stuff didn't sell!" (Buh-freakin-uh to these guys)
- More DB entries
That's it really.
Now to the actual details of my suggestion: As you can predict, GTL should have a fixed expiration date from the moment the item is placed. In my opinion it should be a month , or maybe even 2 months. Most stuff i buy on GTL aren't even 2 weeks old, so i think 1 month is fair. Hell, if something isn't sold within 2 months something is very wrong with it. I don't think the fee should be any higher or any lower, most stuff that isn't overpriced sells within that time for sure.
I see a valid "implementation" reason to why this shouldn't be applied, which is applying a fixed expiration date to all current sales is probably annoying work. But those are the ones that need it. Now idk how these entries are managed on the backend of things, maybe it is done so that having an item stay there forever is better for the overall state of the database (because keeping putting an item up will generate more lines, and idk how the DB handles sold and/or expired items), but should it really be like that?
Also, if GTL ever gets Bidding, they will need a fixed expiration date too, otherwise it will just run forever, but in this case it can't be a month, it should be few days to a week max.
EDIT: I'm gonna add something related to the suggestion. So I went ahead and tried to find where are the 1 month old GTL pokemons, starting from the first item ever placed there (Xmas 2015 - 150 days ago +/-). And after 900 clicks I got my answer.
Almost 1/3 of the stuff that is in GTL is more than 1 month old, which is an even higher number than what i was expecting.
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