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  1. Many pokemon evolve too early for their own good. They're so [i]eager[/i] to be mature and independent that they don't even realize that they're losing the chance to experience certain moves. Your pokemon want to take on the responsibilities of a fully evolved pokemon too quickly, and you'll just have to tell them [b]no[/b]. Here is a guide to when your pokemon should evolve and why. [size=6][font=tahoma,geneva,sans-serif]I[/font]. [u]Item Evolutions[/u][/size] [indent=1][b][size=4]Pikachu→Raichu (Level 50)[/size][/b][/indent] [indent=1]Pikachu learns its last move, Light Screen, at level 50.[/indent] [indent=1][b][size=4]Nidorina→Nidoqueen (Level 53 / 22)[/size][/b][/indent] [indent=1]Nidorina learns its last move, Crunch, at level 53. If you are willing to sacrifice Helping Hand, Fury Swipes, Flatter, and Crunch for Nidoqueen's Body Slam, you should evolve it at level 22.[/indent] [indent=1][b][size=4]Nidorino→Nidoking (Level 53 / 22)[/size][/b][/indent] [indent=1]Nidorino learns its last move, Horn Drill, at level 53. Similar to Nidoqueen, you will have to sacrifice Nidorino's Helping Hand, Fury Attack, Flatter, and Horn Drill for Nidoking's Thrash when evolving at level 22.[/indent] [indent=1][b][size=4]Clefairy→Clefable (Level 45)[/size][/b][/indent] [indent=1]Clefairy learns its last move, Meteor Mash, at level 45.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Vulpix→Ninetales (Level 41 / 37)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Vulpix learns its last move, Fire Spin, at level 41. Alternatively, you could evolve it at level 37 and obtain Fire Spin at level 45 with Ninetales.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Jigglypuff→Wigglytuff (Level 49)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Jigglypuff learns its last move, Double-Edge, at level 49.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Gloom→Vileplume (Level 35)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Gloom learns Moonlight at level 35. Both Gloom and Vileplume learn Petal Dance at level 44.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Gloom→Bellossom (Level 35)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Gloom learns Moonlight at level 35. Both Gloom and Bellossom learn Petal Dance at level 44.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Growlithe→Arcanine (Level 49 / 43)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Growlithe learns its last move, Flamethrower, at level 49. Arcanine also learns its last move, ExtremeSpeed, at level 49. You have to choose which move you wish to keep.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Poliwhirl→Poliwrath (Level 51 / 43 / 27)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]There are a few choices in this evolution. You can choose to learn all of Poliwhirl's moves, sacrificing Poliwrath's Submission and Mind Reader. You can also choose to evolve after Poliwhirl learns Belly Drum at level 43, sacrificing Hydro Pump and Mind Reader. Lastly you may choose to evolve after learning Rain Dance at level 27, sacrificing Poliwhirl's Belly Drum and Hydro Pump for Poliwrath's Submission and Mind Reader.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Weepinbell→Victreebel (Level 54)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Weepinbell learns its last move, Slam, at level 54.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Shellder→Cloyster (Level 50 / 36 / 29)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]At level 50, Shellder learns Ice Beam, but forfeits the chance to learn Spikes and Spike Cannon from Cloyster. To have a spikes user, evolving at level 29 allows you to learn Spikes and Spike Cannon while forfeiting Leer, Clamp, and Ice Beam. The unappealing choice is to evolve at level 36 and keep Leer and Spikes Cannon in exchange for Spikes, Clamp, and Ice Beam.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Exeggcute→Exeggutor (Level 43 / 25 / 13)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Choosing to level up to 43 before evolving allows you to learn SolarBeam without the use of a TM, but is sacrificing Exeggutor's Stomp and powerful Egg Bomb. Evolving at 30 will give you the chance to learn Egg Bomb, but you will sacrifice Poison and Sleep Powder and the chance to learn SolarBeam naturally. Another choice would be to evolve at level 18 to learn Exegguctor's Stomp while forfeiting the majority of Exeggcute's moveset.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Staryu→Starmie (Level 46 / 28)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Staryu learns its last move, Hydro Pump, at level 46. But to learn the move Confuse Ray, you'll have to evolve at level 28 and forfeit Staryu's Minimize, Light Screen, Cosmic Power, and Hydro Pump.[/indent] [size=6]II. [u]Trade Evolutions[/u][/size] [indent=1][b]Poliwhirl→Politoed (Level 51 / 43)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Poliwhirl learns his last move, Hydro Pump, at level 51. You could also choose to forfeit Hydro Pump for Politoed's Swagger.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Kadabra→Alakazam (Level 30 / 33)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]This is a choice between Role Play and Calm Mind. If you evolve at 30, you get Alakazam's Calm Mind, and if you evolve at 33, you keep Kadabra's Role Play.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Machoke→Machamp (Level 1)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]You can evolve Machoke whenever you want because it makes no difference.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Graveler→Golem (Level 1)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]You can evolve Graveler whenever you want because it makes no difference.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Slowpoke→Slowking (Level 29 / 36)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]This is a choice between Amnesia and Swagger. If you evolve at 29, you get Slowking's Swagger, and if you evolve at 36, you keep Slowpoke's Amnesia.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Haunter→Gengar (Level 1)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]You can evolve Haunter whenever you want because it makes no difference.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Onix→Steelix (Level 45 / 52)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]This is a choice between Sand Tomb and Crunch. If you evolve at 45, you get Steelix's Crunch, and if you evolve at 52, you keep Onix's Sand Tomb.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Seadra→Kingdra (Level 1)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Evolve Seadra whenever you want, it makes no difference.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Scyther→Scizor (Level 41 / 36 / 21)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]A choice between three moves. Evolving at 41 gives you all of Scyther's moves and leaves out Scizor's steel-type moves. Evolving at 36 will lose Double Team for Scizor's Iron Defense. Lastly, evolving at level 21 allows Scizor to learn Metal Claw and Iron Defense, giving up Wing Attack and Double Team.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Porygon→Porygon2 (Level 20 / Level 24)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]This is a choice between Sharpen and Defense Curl. If you evolve at 20, you get Porygon2's Defense Curl, and if you evolve at 24, you keep Porygon's Sharpen[/indent] [size=6]III. [u]Happiness and Other Evolutions[/u][/size] [indent=1][b]Golbat→Crobat (Level 1)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]You can evolve Golbat at any time, they both learn the same moves.[/indent] [indent=1][b]Chansey→Blissey (Level 1)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]You'll want to evolve Chansey as soon as you can because Blissey learns all of her moves at an earlier rate.[/indent] [size=6]IV. [u]Eeveelutions[/u][/size] [indent=1][b]Eevee→ (Level 36)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]The only reason you'll ever want to delay an Eeveelution is to learn Baton Pass at level 36. This wont matter until it's implemented.[/indent] So now your pokemon has evolved and it is happy and healthy the way it should be. Maybe they will resent you a little bit for smothering them, but in the long run, you did the right thing, and your pokemon will be healthier because of you.
    7 points
  2. JPG

    [Art] Attack!

    [quote name='Sashimi' timestamp='1359507751' post='177002'] Shiny blastoise eating a pikachu. [/quote] I have 4 projects due, midterm exams and planning on joining a competition so here's a sketch..or something.. [img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2yvrsyw.jpg[/img]
    4 points
  3. [quote name='Pianoasis' timestamp='1360733367' post='195774'] [indent=1][b]Growlithe→Arcanine (Level 49 / 43)[/b][/indent] [indent=1]Growlithe learns its last move, Flamethrower, at level 49. Arcanine also learns its last move, ExtremeSpeed, at level 49. You have to choose which move you wish to keep.[/indent] [/quote] While I do have other problems with this guide, this information is straight up false. If you evolve Growlithe at 49, you get both moves.
    3 points
  4. [b][size=5]This event is over. Congratulations to the winner & runners-up and thanks to all who showed up![/size][/b] [img]http://i.imgur.com/pmMBZrh.png[/img] Text version of the poster: [spoiler][size=4]DeeJaye's smeargle, Smee, has been feeling lonely of late and wants some more PokePals to play with. She's painted some pictures of the Pokemon she'd like to befriend.[/size] Can you help us find some friends for Smee? [b]We'll be waiting at:[/b] Mr. Fuji's house Lavender Town [b]Date & Time[/b] Feb 17, 4pm EST [b]Prize[/b] Pointed Yellow Ears[/spoiler] Time converter: [url="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Find+a+Friend&iso=20130217T16&p1=179&ah=1"]http://www.timeandda...T16&p1=179&ah=1[/url] There is no need to sign up for this event. Just turn up and get catching! This event will consist of 10 rounds (11 if a tiebreaker is necessary), worth 1 point each, in which players will search for a Pokemon shown in Global Chat (as a silhouette, as Smee has painted in the above poster). The winner will be the player with the most points by the end. The first player to bring the required Pokemon, caught by the player within the timeframe, and show it to me in a trade window, will win the round. [size=3]Note: Attempting to win with an ineligible Pokemon, or any other form of cheating, will result in disqualification.[/size] To keep it tidy, please stay within the areas shown during the course of the event: [img]http://i.imgur.com/FNHUgMg.png[/img] [b]Note: You may need access to any or all accessible areas to be able to capture the required Pokemon.[/b] [size=4]This event will occur on Channel 7.[/size] [b]Winner:[/b] [size=4]Ellige (by three-way tiebreak)[/size] [b]Close second:[/b] PMJamal and Apexe (2 points each) [b]Scorers:[/b] MilesCarnage Dawginator ChrisChris RedBrucie
    2 points
  5. [quote name='Patrick' timestamp='1360755438' post='195991'] Make a new thread, and I'll close this one, if you'd like. [/quote] You can always unban umad
    2 points
  6. It would be handy to have a search function for the Pc boxes. One that lets you search by: -Type -LVL -Species Etc. I'm not sure how easy this would be to implement, and it's not exactly crucial, but it would be something nice to have :)
    2 points
  7. [quote name='Patrick' timestamp='1360722301' post='195537'] [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m33kfikC101r7isj2o1_500.jpg[/img] [/quote] i dont have enough pokedollars for this can you spawn me some [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/281967e29f381f2af97580d52fb4d16b/tumblr_mk4am8MykE1qd7w7jo1_250.gif[/img]
    2 points
  8. Gilgamesh

    FUCK YEAH SEAKING [FYS]

    [quote name='marsbars' timestamp='1360722238' post='195536'] hhow 2 cure heart burn?? cm help me e [/quote]drink a lot of water and pretend its working, then suffer even more later.
    2 points
  9. [quote name='Ploegy' timestamp='1360711921' post='195345'] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=2][color=#ff0000]Pikachu+Infernape+Espeon[/color][/size][/font] [/quote] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=2][color=#FF0000]I dont need to read or anything...[/color][/size][/font] [color=#ff0000][size=2][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Srsly why?![/font][/size][/color] [img]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9468/espechuape.png[/img] Espechu...ape? [quote name='Chestbrah' timestamp='1360712027' post='195346'] this last batch was pretty funny/awesome [/quote] I think i get better at this^^ [quote name='Gilgamesh' timestamp='1360714632' post='195393'] Tryterratops look awesome. I'd run it on all of my teams. [/quote] you could make it one of your noble phantasms^^ [quote name='KurapikaET' timestamp='1360717082' post='195418'] EDIT: How about Latias or Latios (as body) + shiny Victini's colors, ears and eyes? [/quote] [img]http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7038/vintias.png[/img] ...Errr eah... Vintias.
    2 points
  10. [quote name='AzizFTW' timestamp='1360620823' post='193818'] Rattata + Umbreon + Blissey + Forretress + Articuno + Moltres I'm gonna go for another. Gimme a great name. :3 [/quote] [img]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/802/raticunoltressybreonthe.png[/img] Raticunoltressybreon the bearded meteor pokemon. [quote name='SouthShaker' timestamp='1360628796' post='194161'] I would like to see Typlosion + Machamp [/quote] [img]http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8272/champhlosion.png[/img] Champhlosion. looks like he's wearing a coat. [quote name='Jate78' timestamp='1360634970' post='194272'] Omastar, Kabutops, & Aerodactyl preferably with Kabutops or Aerodactyls body [/quote] [img]http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9339/aeropstar.png[/img] Aeropstar. Imagine its hiding in its shell with the head as shield to close of the entrance. [quote name='Chestbrah' timestamp='1360637152' post='194316'] can you do nidoking+charizard colored like shiny nidoking [/quote] [img]http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9402/shinynidozard.png[/img] Shiny Nidozard. [quote name='Kimikozen' timestamp='1360637241' post='194319'] Kabutops,machamp,persian,dunsparce,tangela eyes [/quote] [img]http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6263/lolcat.png[/img] A Lolcat was born. [quote name='Xiren' timestamp='1360640881' post='194366'] Biiiig combo, poor Glacius, Gonna be funny/interesting outcome though [/quote] [size=4][color=#000000]<3[/color][/size] [quote name='HL87' timestamp='1360696848' post='195058'] i want a fierce looking triceratops pokemon Torterra + Bastiodon's head shield + Nidoking's legs + Aggron's horns (maybe also hind legs?) + Tyranitar's tail [/quote] [img]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8271/tryterratops.png[/img] Tryterratops. Aggrons legs make it look like a frog. [quote name='Dougington' timestamp='1360697172' post='195064'] And how about Poliwrath and Dusclops? [/quote] [img]http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7195/wrathclops.png[/img] Wrathclops. [quote name='TWDaryl' timestamp='1360698224' post='195091'] All eeveelutions+eevee and Kirlia. [/quote] [img]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7760/kirleon.png[/img] Kirleon. [quote name='Graffix' timestamp='1360706297' post='195240'] I would like to see a combination of a bibarel and an Entei. [/quote] [img]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3839/bitei.png[/img] Bitei.
    2 points
  11. Am I the only one who instantly thought of Victini? Those eyes, the colors.... hmmm. Maybe its just me.
    2 points
  12. Another BG I whipped up in GIMP. Seeing as (right now) the game takes place in Kanto, and you play as Red and your Rival is still Blue, I figured it fitting to have a BG that reflected that, no? I got this wallpaper off of Wallpaper4me, and there was no mention of an author. Go figure. And obviously it takes zero skil lto make ones like this, but hey, everybody likes having options. Anyway, enjoy the BG. [b]EDIT::[/b] Click for slightly higher Resolution. [b]Background:[/b] [img]http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/zGrizzlyBear/PokeMMORedBlue_zps068024fe.png[/img] [b]Log In Screen:[/b] [img]http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/zGrizzlyBear/PokeMMORedBlueScreen_zps94268e3d.png[/img]
    1 point
  13. My suggestion is that we use a slightly modified version of the Pokemon Emerald pickup table This is the table of items available from the pickup skill in Fire Red / Leaf Green. Also notice that all of the good items it offers (Hidden Power TM, Rare Candies, PP Up) are all available at any level. This means that anybody could catch 6 meowth and immediately farm rare candies, Hidden Power TMs, and PP Up. Notice that it is full of berries. Rare Candies, Hidden Power, and PP up are basically the only useful items on there, as there is already a berry salesman implemented in the game. THIS is the pickup table from pokemon Emerald. Major Differences: 1) No berries 2) Wider variety of items 3) The items received vary based on the level of your pokemon. The variation by level means that somebody has to put time and effort into raising their pokemon in order to get the full benefits of the ability. I mentioned at the top of the thread that it should be a slightly modified version of the Emerald pickup table. What would I like modified about it? Hidden Power. If you notice, Hidden Power TM is missing from the Pokemon Emerald pickup table. If anything, the White Herb should be replaced by Hidden Power. This keeps it semi-rare while still being accessible to mid-level trainers. SOURCE: http://bulbapedia.bu...ickup_(ability) ADDITIONAL NOTES: Suggestion 2: (Atuan's) An icon on the party bar indicating which pokemon are holding items. Suggestion 3: The confirmation for removing an item from a pokemon should be removed. There are no negative consequences, and once pickup is implemented it will only serve to be a nuisance.
    1 point
  14. Here's a little BG I whipped up using GIMP for the games BG when you go to log in. I couldn't credit the originator of the actual picture, because I found it on 151chan. Im anxious for the Johto region to come out because it's my favorite out of them all, and in the spirit of things decided, "Needs moar Johto." So, yeah! Also, whoever made the Logo, it's pimp. So, there's that too. [b]EDIT::[/b] Click for slightly higher Resolution. [b]Background:[/b] [img]http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/zGrizzlyBear/PokeMMOJohto_zps4598c500.png[/img] [b]Log In Screen:[/b] [img]http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/zGrizzlyBear/PokeMMOJohtoScreen_zps3f9f7c11.png[/img]
    1 point
  15. I'm sure many like myself are annoyed by looking for certain pokemons in the PC box, why not add an option to auto sort by either level/pokemon name/pokedex number, this will help us a lot, what do you guys think?
    1 point
  16. [quote name='Demando' timestamp='1360796145' post='196562'] i think Plizard is streaming this [url="http://www.twitch.tv/plizard"]http://www.twitch.tv/plizard[/url] [/quote] Plizard went to school today, he should be back in time to stream it. Otherwise, I can take over for him until he gets back since I have his stream key, so if it comes down to that people should still tune in to Plizard's stream, there just won't be a fancy overlay.
    1 point
  17. Check in is in exactly one hour. Be there or be square.
    1 point
  18. [quote name='timmyboi' timestamp='1360789947' post='196441'] Bluffin out yo culo [/quote] Bluffing everything. EVERYTHING
    1 point
  19. [img]http://i.imgur.com/dRLGm.gif[/img]
    1 point
  20. [quote name='MilesCarnage' timestamp='1360532273' post='192514'] Squall, great news! I won uMadBrah's Elite Wages Brawl Tournament hope I made the team proud :3 [/quote]Whoa! No way! Congrats Miles! ;3 [quote name='Dougington' timestamp='1360532501' post='192522'] Make a team accomplishments bit on the first post? [/quote]You can make a new team thread and do it now Dougii! :3 [quote name='grix' timestamp='1360773234' post='196181'] Hey everyone, I'm a new member that was just recruited! Looking forward to meeting and getting to know all of you! I'm a newer player that hasn't really played since Red came out. I was cleaning up my house and came across my old Game Boy Color and my Red cartridge which gave me a hankering to play some Pokemon. So here I am! If there is anything I can do to help anyone out, I'm glad to do so, just ask! [b]IGN: [/b][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Grix[/font][/color] [b]Favourite Pokemon: [/b]Tough one, but I'd have to go with either Pikachu or Blastoise. [/quote]Welcome to the team! A little information for you: Leader of Sayounara: Dougii Officers of Sayounara: Emojesus and MilesCarnage Please be friendly with all of the members!
    1 point
  21. [quote name='Giygas' timestamp='1360768071' post='196110'] Why would you want to replace the one I spent seconds making for you ;__; [/quote] [color=#008080][size=2]Aww Giygas babbin, I was going to smash them all in with the beautiful sig you made me! I would make a fabulous collage of all the ballin pic's she's going to make me, and then paste yours on top. + + make the resolution really fuzzy. <3[/size][/color]
    1 point
  22. Thats a pretty cool story. I have stayed in one place all my life so I really do not know that feel. Welcome to Pokemmo!
    1 point
  23. AstroSpud

    [MISC] Official return

    can I pls join? I don't battle competitively, nor do I trade any sort of pokemon. Don't even play the game. What's a zyzz?
    1 point
  24. [quote name='Xiren' timestamp='1360708254' post='195263'] Wow... I actually want that Kirlia now lol pretty [/quote] I know! Im so happy I requested that.
    1 point
  25. Great guide, but now that we have the move relearner you can learn sets of moves that you previously couldn't. For example, Staryu to Starmie: if you want to you can get Hydro Pump, Cosmic Power, etc. on Staryu, then evolve it into Starmie at lv47 and then use the move relearner to pick up Confuse Ray
    1 point
  26. And we are looking forward to getting to know you. We love you. Welcome.
    1 point
  27. Very nice, gonna try it out for myself.
    1 point
  28. Nice background. Looks really good
    1 point
  29. [quote name='Demando' timestamp='1360727376' post='195682'] i know that -.- i wish that they do something about this [/quote] I see no problem in sharing your Pokemon with others. All is fair in love and video games.
    1 point
  30. [quote name='Demando' timestamp='1360726146' post='195638'] idk if that's allowed, but it really shouln't since it won't be fair for the people who trained hard >.< [/quote] Psh. During the Petit Cup there was a handful of people sharing the same team between them.
    1 point
  31. this last batch was pretty funny/awesome
    1 point
  32. Soothe

    Pokemon X and Pokemon Y

    [quote name='TLKV3' timestamp='1360642402' post='194387'] NEW EEVEELUTION CONFIRMED! [img]http://www.serebii.net/ninfia.jpg[/img] Say hello to Ninfia! [/quote] i want to cum inside of it
    1 point
  33. KHXIII

    Pokemon X and Pokemon Y

    10 bucks it's a "Light" type.
    1 point
  34. [size=2]My smeargle is my only friend and apparently I'm not good enough for her.[/size] [size=2];_;[/size]
    1 point
  35. [quote name='Orangeslash' timestamp='1360675369' post='194709'] Staff can't compete, and I don't have any friends. What a predicament. [/quote] Orangeslash forgot me... I guess I have no friends. ;_;
    1 point
  36. It should be added and combined with this idea: https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/12023-orange-shiny-box-in-pc/
    1 point
  37. Staff can't compete, and I don't have any friends. What a predicament.
    1 point
  38. JPG

    [Official] Find a Friend!

    <3 it..now if only i had friends..
    1 point
  39. ChrisChris

    Pokemon X and Pokemon Y

    NEW EEVEELUTION CONFIRMED! [img]http://www.serebii.net/ninfia.jpg[/img] Say hello to Ninfia!
    1 point
  40. SUPPORT THIS 100% ! [spoiler] Makes us easier to clean PC Boxes [/spoiler]
    1 point
  41. Squall, great news! I won uMadBrah's Elite Wages Brawl Tournament hope I made the team proud :3
    1 point
  42. You guys mad i'm posting in the forums now ?
    1 point
  43. I do not support this at all. What if someone falls off of the bridge? What if someone drowns? Too many liability issues.
    1 point
  44. GUYS! NEW SHOTS! [spoiler][img]https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/535999_307387749364519_788337395_n.jpg[/img][/spoiler]
    1 point
  45. Rae

    FUCK YEAH SEAKING [FYS]

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc-M9JklCQ[/media]
    1 point
  46. [quote name='Safe' timestamp='1358394608' post='165278'] Sorry, I'm adopting a cat soon and rearranging my room, but I haven't forgotten my splices! I am going to close the requests for now though so I don't get too behind again~ [/quote] Splice your cat with a Velociraptor.
    1 point
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