techshaman

are you seriously saying 2 or 3 shinies a month is a good thing? lol you guys have successfully convinced me to buy a 2ds and a real pokemon game. What's really the point in playing a pokemon MMO when the only things that make it any different than a real pokemon game is the fact that you can see more people running around and use global chat? On top of that the community is a lot more toxic and closed minded. I'm done here. If I ever get to making my own pokemon MMO, I'm not going to sacrifice casual players for the sake of a an economy... I will make an effort to make everyone happy and if that means hurting the economy a little bit, communism sucks anyway

yes it was meant to be a competitive game and it was already semi-mmo with the trade and battle system and the friend system... all this is is basically the same thing except you can actually see where people are around you... I would be playing the actual pokemon games over this but a console is more money than I'm willing to pay for, which is probably why most of the players of this MMO choose this instead

that's the problem... shiny pokemon were never meant to be monetized to the extent that they would become luxuries for the rich and powerful.... they were supposed to be something fun you find after a hard day of work grinding away seeing how many shinies you can get in a day. that's how the original game intended it. If you wanted something you could monetize, you should have made it something special like modified shinies instead of limiting a major aspect of pokemon end game to the select few who choose to grind every day in the hopes of finding one a month to sell to people who actually want it. I don't want to buy my shinies, I want to earn them, and 30k encounters for a 63% chance is not fun, it's barbaric torture

well in this situation, shadow pokemon would replace shiny pokemon and shiny pokemon could become what they were meant to be, a pleasant surprise for cosmetic purposes

actually now that I think about it I'm pretty sure there was actually a pokemon game with shadowlike pokemon

literally half of any fan made pokemon mmo has to be non cannon in order to be unique as well as avoid lawsuits from the pokemon company

what about adding a second variety of shiny pokemon called "shadow pokemon" that are essentially the polar opposite and custom sprited by artists to be dark twisted versions of shiny pokemon with this system in play for them?

the whole point of this idea is to make weak useless shinies as common as the 1/8k original, making good IV pokemon about the same as normal, and making good elites even more rare. The demand for the elites and good IVs will remain the same while the useless shinies become more available to casuals by dropping in price

they don't degrade completely, they have a fixed degradation limit that is designed to make high IVs rarer and harder to obtain. This will make the 2 for 1 trade happen more often in order to improve them further. If you're that angry about the raised influx, just make a device to boost one shiny pokemon of your choice, and the option to put a shiny of your choice in one or each slot in the machine. One for each IV, one for nature, basically every aspect of the shiny. But you can only use a fully aged or de-aged shiny in the machine and there's a chance of failure depending on how many slots, or how often you've used the machine.

oh, then that only improves my system

hmm, that's a major hole in the shiny system... that might explain why people keep saying the shiny market is slowly but surely dying... if 2 shinies automatically breed a shiny I don't see why people are so quick to dismiss my idea for making shinies more common with a few modifications

okay I'm not even going to finish reading that because it looks like you haven't read any of the things I've said. You keep saying "decay into nothing" like I haven't been repeatedly saying the shinies age only 10 times and each time it takes a random IV out.... 10 points maximim all together. Second of all everything you keep saying sounds like ignorance in the face of change. if Elites became a thing, as well as IV boosting items, demand for these OP pokemon will outweigh any demand in any situation. Shines and pokemon with high IVs are both highly sought from two seperate communities. When you combine them into one, the demand for shinies will skyrocket, not only because shinies can be the strongest, but because if the items are implemented, shinies can be upgraded to elites, raising the demand for shinies as well as elites. Now if you say "decay to nothing" again after my third or fourth time explaining that that isn't what happens at all, then I will just stop replying to you and wait for somebody with an open mind to reply because at that point it would be obvious you're just not reading anything or worse, trying to poke holes in logic that isn't even there for the sake of opposing my idea.

let me explain it differently. Implying these ideas will implement a whole new type of shiny, lets call them elite shinies. With a max IV of 25% higher than normal pokemon, and a 1/6 chance that epic IV stat will decrease once every aging sequence up to 10 times, the chances of aquiring and aging a max IV elite shiny would make the supply and demand shift heavily to demand. if shinies had higher max IVs than normal pokemon, the demand would skyrocket for a shiny with just 1 point above max normal pokemon IVs, meaning the decay rate of up to 10 points wouldn't really be that bad as long as the IV is still higher. Shinies as event pokemon are indeed an epic idea, but what if you gave out custom Items that pokemon could hold that affect the pokemon's IVs by 5 or 10 points up to the maximum IV of that pokemon? Not only that but you could also give out items that de-age shiny pokemon, effectively giving them the stats you got when they were caught. Elite shinies could have an E while shinies have S, signifying that the elite shiny has IVs that breach the normal pokemon IV cap. Lets face it, as long as shinies can be caught, the market and the value will deteriorate eventually, slowly but surely. Raising the drop rate to 30k isn't the way to go about it. The best way to go about it is to find out some intricate plan to find something else to make people actually want, or even NEED them. As it stands, you are constantly receiving more supply and less demand... there is no other fix for it as of yet. My idea offers more supply and a massive demand.

that is not what I'm trying to say here. Look at it this way. There will be a price for shinies for people who just want a shiny, and there will be a price for shinies for people who want the good shinies. The valuation could be as simple as demand vs IVs.... anybody that's worried about IVs is already doing a lot of math so people that sell the high IV pokemon are probably already doing the math too. Shiny market with IVs implemented is just adding the IV market into the shiny market

The shiny economy apparently thrives on the sheer low amount of shinies, and the value thereof. If the ideas I suggested are implemented the range of prices for shinies will widen exponentially, which will raise the market value of those in demand and lower the market value of those not in demand. yeah I think the shiny breeding might be a problem, so they should keep the rates for egg shinies where the shiny rate currently is while still implementing the other ideas to prevent ridiculously OP shinies from emerging early on but still give the chance of acquiring such shinies.

I've been informed by others that if the shiny encounter rates were normal instead of this ridiculous 1/30k, the shiny economy would "die". This is a safeguard against that.

that's also something I took into consideration. Yes casuals will be able to get them slightly cheaper but my main concern is all these economy fanatics. I'm trying to please them with this idea while still making the shiny rate more natural. Casual players that enjoy shinies currently suffer with the system that's in place. If I simply said "make the shiny rate normal, the shiny economy won't suffer very badly if you do that" the devs would assume I'm just another QQer and I'm not trying to solve anything. So I came up with this powerful 3 step system that makes the shiny economy more vast and have more variety

you're not looking at the big picture. FIrst of all the shinies wouldn't age to nothing. They would age a maximum of 10 IVs away to boost rarity for good IVs. I don't think you understand the demand for high IV pokemon. Every hardcore pokemon gamer will pay in the millions to get one of these pokemon. Since shinies would have up to 10-25% higher IVs than normal pokemon, the demand for these rare shinies will go nowhere but up. As it stands, shinies are just cosmetic bonuses. There's no real reason to get a shiny except just to have one. If these ideas are implemented, people will nitpick and bad IV shinies will be worthless and discarded like trash eventually when their market value drops. The high IV shinies will sustain a high value because people have a reason to want them. IVs is the lifeblood of the pokemon world. If shinies could have higher IVs than normal pokemon, more people would seek them out, more people would buy them, and people would pay higher prices for them.

I have come up with a few ideas to allow you to return the shiny rate to it's natural 1/8k or even better chances while still boosting the economy. The first part of this idea will be to raise the chances of receiving terrible IVs on shiny pokemon. The second part of this idea will be to raise the max IVs on a shiny pokemon 10% to 25% higher than normal pokemon. Finally you should implement shiny aging to make a shiny age up to 10 times, removing 1 random IV per age. with these successfully implemented, it doesn't matter how many shinies flood the market, more people will want them, and most people will only seek out the best shinies they can find. With the implementation of part 1 cosmetic shinies will be more available for cheaper to people who don't really play the game as hardcore players, hence less gameplay and less experience. With the implementation of part 2, the mad rush will begin to receive the best IVs which will obviously be as rare or more rare than normal shinies are now. With the implementation of part 3, finding a fully aged shiny with good stats will be next to impossible and the shiny economy will revolve around these astonishingly rare gems. The most unique shiny system in pokemon history

it became a subject about a suggestion to fix the shiny system to make my party system actually useful

I didn't say chinese players hack, again I said the people most commonly referred to as "chinese hackers" aren't really from china, and I didn't say the shinies found by them made the hackers, I said that I am not surprised that "chinese hackers" have the highest shiny count. Shiny deterioration can be a positive thing if done right. If it's done right it might even challenge people to find the most powerful shinies if the deterioration has a maximum amount of IV point reduction also called an "age limit" where they stop aging and are left with a fixed IV stat... I guess you could leave it up to chance and subtract one point from a random IV up to 10 times and widen the range of the stats of Shinies by a certain percentage for IVs when you catch them to even out the odds and make fully aged shinies with good stats more rare than diamonds EDIT also 32k encounters is a loooot

you completely dodged everything I said in an attempt to win an argument and make me look bad. I said most "chinese hackers" don't even know chinese, therefore chinese aren't the problem at all, unless you count the fact that all these high quality chinese private network servers for cheap hosting people who do hack, therefore registering their IP in china, therefore making them appear chinese to people until they talk. Actually some of them try to even sound chinese just for a laugh. Google the statistics and stop embarrassing yourself

yeah but unlike you, I've used actual factual information to base my assumptions on

well I don't see you offering any statistics

there's dedicated people in every community really, to say the asians are more dedicated than anyone is actually more racist than me "blaming chinese hackers"