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The Art of NPC EV Training
 
What is NPC EV Training?
 
NPC EV Training is EV training a Pokemon through NPC trainers, simultaneously benefitting from cash and level bonuses, killing three birds with one stone. This can only be done every six hours. NPC EV Training is usually preferred to train Pokemon that are underleveled to farm in the blink of an eye while farming their needed EVs simultaneously. 
 
Advantages:
Earns cash Quickly levels low-leveled Pokemon while gaining the EVs needed  
Disadvantages:
Can only be done every six hours Berry consuming in some instances makes it less desirable for some players, noting that the cash earned is usually superior to the cash spent  
An important trick when leveling a Pokemon through NPC EV training is that the EXP is split among on level 100 Pokemon as well, so if you don't want too much EXP, place some EXP.Shares on your teammates to avoid overleveling. 
 
Available methods of NPC EV Training:
 
Speed 

Let's start with the most cash-yielding and overall benefitting source of NPC EV Training, Speed, at Resort Gorgeous, northeast of Five Island. This is relatively easily to remember; for pure Speed farming, defeat all painters. You could also pick up the extra cash from the richer players over here, although they now have diverse EVed them and are not suitable for specifics.
 
-The painters have four Smeargle each, ranging from level 51-60, yielding 1 Speed EV. There are three painters, so that's 12 Speed EVs. 
 
HP/Attack/Speed
 or 
 
Bird Catchers/Bird trainers in this game yield HP, Attack and Speed; they primarily give Speed over Attack and HP. These bird trainers can be found commonly on Routes 14, 15, 18, and the path leading to the Memorial Pillar with the three bird brothers. Metagross is an example of a Pokemon that benefits a lot from this training, assuming it needs all three stats. Beldum is not a good farming Pokemon overall, so relying on these NPCs can smoothen up the process, such as allowing it to evolve first. 
 
Although the team composition is not fixed, every bird trainer will always have at least two of these Pokemon, in no particular order: 
- Pidgeot, that yields 3 Speed EVs. 
-Fearow, that yields 2 Speed EVs. 
- Dodrio, that yields 2 Attack EVs.
-Noctowl, that yields 2 HP EVs.
 
Attack or HP/Attack or HP/Attack/Special Defense
 

 
This section of Kindle Road has a total of four trainers that use pure Fighting types. Fighting the two that run back and forth adjacently give pure Attack, whereas fighting the remaining trainers give HP and Special Defense. The double Battle has two Hariyama, whereas the female has a HItmonchan and a Hitmontop. There's also another female trainer near the opening of the road that also has a Hitmonchan, but otherwise gives pure Attack EVs. 
 
Although the team composition is not fixed, every Fighting trainer will have at least two of these Pokemon, in no particular order:
 
-Machamp, that yields 3 Attack EVs.
-Primeape, that yields 2 Attack EVs.
-Hariyama, that yields 2 HP EVs.
-Hitmonchan, that yields 2 Special Defense EVs. This is exclusive to only the single battle female trainers. 
-Hitmonlee, that yields 2 Attack EVs. This is exclusive only to the female trainer at the sandy terrain near the hot spring.
-Hitmontop, that yields 2 Special Defense EVs. Again, exclusive to only said female trainer. 
 
 
HP/Speed

 
Female twins and their double battles give a yield of Speed and HP. These can be found in four places: They are the first trainers to battle in the Bond Bridge on Island 3, Route 8, west of Lavender, the land above Water Path, north of Six Island, and Route 14, from east of Fuschia. 
 
Although the team composition is not fixed, each pair of twins will have at least two of these Pokemon, in no particular order:
 
-Raichu, that yields 3 Speed EVs.
-Clefable, that yields 3 HP EVs.
-Wigglytuff, that yields 3 HP EVs. 
 
Special Attack

This is a pretty small bonus. This double battle gives 8 Special Attack EVs, provided you lead with the desired Pokemon with a Macho Brace. If you EXP.Share it, it will only yield four.
 
The trainers have only a pair of Golduck, that give 2 Special Attack EVs. 

SPECIAL ATTACK

Route 113 is a new, far easier way to Special Attack farm compared to the more time consuming Lavender Tower.
 
Common Pokemon that give Special Attack consistently:

Haunter = 2 EVs (15%, top floor)
Gastly = 1 EV (75-95%, depending on floor)
Spinda = 1 EV (60%)
Slugma = 1 EV (29%)

Gastly and Haunter are found throughout the Pokemon Tower in Lavender, Kanto. The highest floor elevates the Haunter spawn rate from 6% to 15%.
Spinda and Slugma are found on Route 113, East of Fallorbor, Hoenn.

Route 113, east of Fallorbor, is the new best Special Attack EVing spot, the nearby town being the reliable healing source. Interupted by only rare Skarmory and Sandshrew spawns, the ability to farm soot also kills two birds with one stone. It's generally more reliable than the tower as well, since you get to bike and don't have to go up and down troublesome portions of stairs to finish it. In Kanto, though, the Lavender Tower is the only reliable source of Special Attack farm, although the Haunter spawns are really nice.
 
For people who question me about the Numel Patch; Numel's spawns are lower than Spinda's and there's also a lot of unwanted stuff like Machop/Tyrogue/Marill there. From experience, Route 113 is far more efficient. 
 
SPECIAL DEFENSE

This sort of EVing is the easiest given the high rates of jellyfish on the ocean floor. You can do this anywhere near sea, but preferably in Kanto due to Wingull spawns prominent on ocean unlike Kanto's pure jellyfish.
 
Common Pokemon that give Special Defense consistently:
Tentacruel = 2 EVs (5%)
Tentacool = 1 EV (100%)
Hoppip = 1 EV (100%)

Tentacool can be found anywhere that has ocean in both regions. The closest places near a Pokemon Center and with the most consistent spawns are all in Kanto, including One Island, Five Island, Route 21 and west of Fuschia City. Cities with ocean, such as Vermillion, also work.
Tentacruel can be found near a reliable healing source at Kanto as well, in One Island, Five Island, Six Island, and Seven Island.
Hoppip can be found near a reliable healing source on Five Island ocean, or at the Five Isle Meadow.
 
Whenever you Special Defense farm, it's advisable to always do it in Kanto so as to not be interrupted by Seagulls. With their high encounter rates to which they appear nearly every two to three steps, Special Defense EVIng is in all an easy talk.

SPEED

Route 118 with the introduction of Hoenn adds more speed to your Speed farm, with grass full of Pokemon that provide Speed EVs and some juicy experience.
 
Common Pokemon that give Speed consistently:

 Golbat = 2 EVs (100%)
Linoone = 2 EVs (10%)
Dugtrio = 2 EVs (5%)
Zigazgoon = 1 EV (30%)
Electrike =1 EV (20%)
Pidgey =1 EV (50%)
Ratata =1 EV (50%)
Diglett =1 EV (95%)
 
Golbat can be found inside the cave near the Azumarill spot, surfing through the water, on Route 120. It can only be found walking on land, and the water will offer Zubat. 

Ratata and Pidgey can be found near a reliable healing source in Route 1, below Kanto's Viridian City. The spawn rates decrease during the night.
Diglett and Dugtrio can be found near a reliable healing source in Diglett's Cave, east of Vermillion, Kanto.
Linoone, Wingull, and Zigazgoon can be found easiest near a reliable healing source in Route 118, east of Mauville.

Bird/Rat slaughtering in Kanto is my personal favourite since it preserves PP due to their low level so you don't have to 2-3HKO specific targets. For more faster, although harder farms due to the high levels of Manectric/Linoone, your Pokemon had better be at a suitable level to farm them first. If you need to farm Speed at night, you can always try Diglett's Cave, which is also a haven for Flying types or Levitate Pokemon that need Speed.

SINGLE STAT EV TRAINING

HP

HP is one of the easier farms due to the fact that Marill, a common spawn on lake water (see screenshot below), gives 4 HP with a Macho Brace, meaning you can hypothetically farm only 63 Marills to maximize HP. Azumarill is also a common site on Route 120, shortening the farm to 43 kills. Lake water is different than sea water in which the color is darker if it's sea and lighter if it's pond water.
 
Common Pokemon that give HP consistently:
Azumarill = 3 EVs (Presumably 94%, in Route 120)
Marill = 2 EVs (Ratio unknown)
Wooper = 1 EV (35%)
Slowpoke = I EV(17.5% presumably)


Marill can be found alongside a nearby healing source in:
Kanto: Four Island.
Hoenn: Pelalburg City, and Surfing on Routes 117, and 120.
In Hoenn, Azumarill will uncommonly appear wherever one can find Marill, with the exception of Route 120, where there is solely Azumarill, but interrupted by rare Mudkip, and Surskit/Masquerain/Goldeen.
In Kanto, Wooper and Slowpoke also spawn at the Four Island pond.


It is faster to farm HP in Hoenn rather than Kanto, since the encounter rates clock high everywhere you can find lake water, with a helpful Azumarill chance giving 3 HP, interrupted only by rare Surskit, Goldeen and Masquerain chances, compared to Kanto where it is interrupted by Wooper, Slowpoke and Psyduck. Best of all, most of them are low leveled, meaning than you can farm them easily without having to grind a few levels first. As a plus, all of Hoenn's ponds have a Pokemon Center nearby, meaning you don't have to stock for Leppa Berries or Potions to have extensive EV farm. Route 117 is in between Verdanturf and Mauville, whereas the Route 120 pond lies at the southeast of Fortree, where you need to go through some grass. However, there are only Azumarill here, so the process may be much easier since you only need to farm 42 Azumarills to maximize HP EVs.

 
ATTACK

The increase in fishing rates have buffed Attack EVing very significantly. Hoenn's Carvanha/Sharpedo fish spawns are great for attack farming, and the rates made the Fuschia Pond a more reliable source of farm than Mt.Moon's Paras spawns.
 
Common Pokemon that give Attack consistently:
Seaking = 2 EVs (40%)
Sharpedo = 2 EVs (40%)
Gyarados = 2 EVs (15%)
Goldeen = 1 EV (40%)
Paras = 1 EV (100%)
Corphish = 1 EV (100%)
Carvanha = 1 EV (60%)

Super Rod fishing for Carvanha and Sharpedo can be found near a reliable healing source in Routes 118, and 120. Route 118 in particular is the best due to the fact in that it's a short walk from Mauville.
Seaking, Gyarados and Goldeen can be found near a reliable healing source in the Fuschia Pond.
Paras can be found in the B1F near a reliable healing source at Mt.Moon.

Hoenn again possesses the more reliable Attack farm due to the fact that it has a consistent spawn of Carvanha and Sharpedo, no Intimidate delay from Gyarados, and the sea is not interupted by other stray Pokemon such as Psyduck and Slowpoke. A disadvantage about Attack farming from water, though, is that the Pokemon there are considerably high-levelled and powerful, although Carvanha and Sharpedo are frail, albeit powerful themselves. Rough Skin also easily triggers on Pokemon that farm attack due to their physical attacking nature, so more often than not an underlevelled Pokemon needs to head back for consistent healing. Similarly, the Fuschia Pond harbors Gyarados and Seaking that are considerably high-levelled, so anything that's underlevelled that doesn't have strong Defense or doesn't resist Normal and Dark will be worn down fairly quickly. Mt.Moon is still a reliable source of Attack farm for weaker Pokemon. Fortunately, all spots in both regions are nearby a Pokemon Center.
 
DEFENSE

Magma Hideout was what our bulky Waters that needed Defense had dreamed of -- no longer need they work on Tangela, but instead indulge in the watery slaughter of high EV supplying Graveler and Torkoal.
 
Common Pokemon that give Defense consistently:

Graveler = 2 EVs (15%)
Torkoal = 2 EVs (30%)
Geodude = 1 EV (55%)
Tangela = 1 EV (100%)

Graveler, Torkoal, and Geodude can be found at a nearby healing source in the Magma Hideout, regardless of floor.
Tangela can be found at a nearby healing source on Route 21.

With Hoenn, Defense farming for Water types, such as the to-be omnipresent Swampert, is made much easier -- Magma Hideout offers a common spawn of two Pokemon that give two Defense EVs per kill, and all of the spawns are weak to Water, unlike Tangela which instead makes it tricky with it's Grass STAB and status. Selfdestruct from Geodude and Graveler can chip off a lot of health and ruin your sustain in EVing, so it's advisable to pack a few Leppa Berries and Potions around just in case. Use an Acro Bike to get there faster, but it will give a slight loss in movement speed.

The Art of Swift EV Training :The Devil's Guide to EVing
 
"How many threads like this are there? Isn't this redundant?" A random embodied fellow proclaims.
 
Under the request of our fellow feline-loving GM that governs the Guide Tavern, the Devil presents to you the secrets and easiest ways with the new introduction of Hoenn to EV Train like never before. 
 
[spoiler] As most or none of you may I know, I am a notorious, conscientious and experienced EV Trainer, having the cheapest service in the MMO and with the update and ease of breeding, even cheaper -- everything in this guide is, at the end of the day, opinionated. [/spoiler] 
 
Things to point out:
 
This guide is under process. Currently, this guide will include the easiest spots in every region to EV Train in one specific stat. Things to come include:
The Art of Swift EV Training The Art of NPC EV Training EV Training in multiple stats at once (inefficient, but I may add depending on my business) Any remarks of mistakes and critiques in the process of my construction of this guide is thoroughly appreciated. 
 
Please do not post in this thread until I have provided my required reserves. Thank you for your cooperation. 

The Art of Swift EV Training :The Devil's Guide to EVing
 
"How many threads like this are there? Isn't this redundant?" A random embodied fellow proclaims.
 
Under the request of our fellow feline-loving GM that governs the Guide Tavern, the Devil presents to you the secrets and easiest ways with the new introduction of Hoenn to EV Train like never before. 
 
[spoiler] As most or none of you may I know, I am a notorious, conscientious and experienced EV Trainer, having the cheapest service in the MMO and with the update and ease of breeding, even cheaper -- everything in this guide is, at the end of the day, opinionated. [/spoiler] 
 
Things to point out:
 
This guide is under process. Currently, this guide will include the easiest spots in every region to EV Train in one specific stat. Things to come include:
The Art of Swift EV Training The Art of NPC EV Training EV Training in multiple stats at once (inefficient, but I may add depending on my business) Any remarks of mistakes and critiques in the process of my construction of this guide is thoroughly appreciated. 
 
Please do not post in this thread until I have provided my required reserves. Thank you for your cooperation. 

The Art of Swift EV Training :The Devil's Guide to EVing
 
"How many threads like this are there? Isn't this redundant?" A random embodied fellow proclaims.
 
Under the request of our fellow feline-loving GM that governs the Guide Tavern, the Devil presents to you the secrets and easiest ways with the new introduction of Hoenn to EV Train like never before. 
 
[spoiler] As most or none of you may I know, I am a notorious, conscientious and experienced EV Trainer, having the cheapest service in the MMO and with the update and ease of breeding, even cheaper -- everything in this guide is, at the end of the day, opinionated. [/spoiler] 
 
Things to point out:
 
This guide is under process. Currently, this guide will include the easiest spots in every region to EV Train in one specific stat. Things to come include:
The Art of Swift EV Training The Art of NPC EV Training EV Training in multiple stats at once (inefficient, but I may add depending on my business) Any remarks of mistakes and critiques in the process of my construction of this guide is thoroughly appreciated. 
 
Please do not post in this thread until I have provided my required reserves. Thank you for your cooperation. 

The Art of Swift EV Training :The Devil's Guide to EVing
 
"How many threads like this are there? Isn't this redundant?" A random embodied fellow proclaims.
 
Under the request of our fellow feline-loving GM that governs the Guide Tavern, the Devil presents to you the secrets and easiest ways with the new introduction of Hoenn to EV Train like never before. 
 
[spoiler] As most or none of you may I know, I am a notorious, conscientious and experienced EV Trainer, having the cheapest service in the MMO and with the update and ease of breeding, even cheaper -- everything in this guide is, at the end of the day, opinionated. [/spoiler] 
 
Things to point out:
 
This guide is under process. Currently, this guide will include the easiest spots in every region to EV Train in one specific stat. Things to come include:
The Art of Swift EV Training The Art of NPC EV Training EV Training in multiple stats at once (inefficient, but I may add depending on my business) Any remarks of mistakes and critiques in the process of my construction of this guide is thoroughly appreciated. 
 
Please do not post in this thread until I have provided my required reserves. Thank you for your cooperation. 

The Art of Swift EV Training :The Devil's Guide to EVing
 
"How many threads like this are there? Isn't this redundant?" A random embodied fellow proclaims.
 
Under the request of our fellow feline-loving GM that governs the Guide Tavern, the Devil presents to you the secrets and easiest ways with the new introduction of Hoenn to EV Train like never before. 
 
[spoiler] As most or none of you may I know, I am a notorious, conscientious and experienced EV Trainer, having the cheapest service in the MMO and with the update and ease of breeding, even cheaper -- everything in this guide is, at the end of the day, opinionated. [/spoiler] 
 
Things to point out:
 
This guide is under process. Currently, this guide will include the easiest spots in every region to EV Train in one specific stat. Things to come include:
The Art of Swift EV Training The Art of NPC EV Training EV Training in multiple stats at once (inefficient, but I may add depending on my business) Any remarks of mistakes and critiques in the process of my construction of this guide is thoroughly appreciated. 
 
Please do not post in this thread until I have provided my required reserves. Thank you for your cooperation. 

#shuttingdownDPPOUwinrates
 
This is deja vu though, am I the only guy in the team that wins at the final round again. This was close though.
 
Rematch: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-244686900

I don't really understand why off topic needs to be closed while changes are being discussed/approved. Your job is to moderate the forums, not just close the section and absolve yourselves of your responsibilities. Hey, you know what would make all the mods jobs easier? If the entire forums were closed!

Wow impressive yagami

#shuttingdownDPPOUwinrates
 
This is deja vu though, am I the only guy in the team that wins at the final round again. This was close though.
 
Rematch: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-244686900

When it finally comes it'll be so late nobody cares anymore and not much will have changed anyway.

wh-wh...what the fuck are you even talking about?
 
It's not "skewed to PvP players", it's just that there's nothing to fucking do in this game once you finish other than grind (cancerous), shiny trade (super cancerous), and PvP (cancerous by virtue of the grind). It's not that it's "skewed for pvp players", it's that there's nothing to do OTHER than PvP, so if they ignored PvP they'd be shit out of luck.
 
The only reason this game currently has a playerbase is because it is the best pokemon mmo that exists. It is a terrible MMO, and it is a terrible pokemon game. It just happens to be the best at being both at once.

devil dont give a shit

only thing keeping me here atm is that stupid writing contest lel. I can easily drop by and dominate in showdown again for the next PSL, but aside from that I've already started giving away comps and UTs

I'm admittedly urged to review Nintendo's policies or something.

What are you supposed to do when staff have this kind of attitude? We've got legitimate concerns from the community being portrayed as "whining" now. Serious problems with the way OT is modded? SGM drops a video called "I Don't Care," basically giving two middle fingers to the entire community. On top of that, we've got a higher ranking staff member referring to the entire community as "toxic," but claiming in hindsight that it was taken out of context.
 
In reality, the context says it all. Staff have a horrible fucking attitude towards the playerbase in this game - do I really need to remind staff that without a playerbase, this game wouldn't be here? I don't know if it's worth the effort anymore - can't fix a problem when the game is run by shitty people. It was fun while it lasted, I guess

I don't know why you're so fixated on the alt thing. It wasn't explicitly stated that you could only trade it once.
 
The idea isn't perfect, obviously; Allowing very easy access to a specific pokemon for only one week is definitely not an ideal solution. But honestly, the state of genderless breeding right now is beyond terrible, for basically no good reason. The argument that not everything should be equally difficult to make is a valid one, and it works for every pokemon other than genderless breeding. Some pokemon are slightly more difficult to breed than other ones, to an extent, sure. But Genderless pokemon are basically 20x more difficult to breed than everything else for no good reason. It's one thing to have one pokemon be slightly more difficult to breed, it's another to have a group of pokemon that are SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult to breed than everything else for no reason other than the misfortune that they were originally labeled by Nintendo as not having a gender.
 
And that's the biggest issue, the fact that it's so arbitrary. It's not like we're saying "oh, these pokemon are harder to breed because they're really stong", or "they're rare in the wild, they'll be hard to breed"; They're hard to breed for no reason other than the fact they were genderless in the original games, and a workaround to make them simpler to breed was either pushed off to the side by the devs or overlooked. In other words, how difficult they are to breed isn't really justifiable; they're a group of pokemon that are arbitrarily more difficult to breed than others. If the point of the new breeding system was to make it less-RNG based while avoiding the endless cloning factory so that there's a system where players can create reasonably good pokemon without negatively impacting the economy, why are there a group of pokemon that you need godlike RNG to be able to properly breed? It's not like these pokemon are special; I mean, if a Zapdos (once legends come out) was more difficult to get in PokeMMO than breeding a good Snorlax, that's the kind of disparity in difficulty I can understand to an extent. The genderless problem is 100% arbitrary and is unhealthy to the game, especially with how already ditto centric breeding already is.
 
The idea in this thread isn't exactly flawless, but it's one thing to point out flaws to a solution and it's another thing to try and pretend the problem doesn't even exist.

well there's also 7 replays that noad could watch

Shit i'm dead, Noad gonna counterteam hard since she knows my usage stats for the whole season

The fates were kind today.
 
With a mild struggle, I clinch the Heroes' pass to the playoffs. The dark lord stays strong, and will do so for the final rounds that are to come. Good game Eloy. 
 
Heroes #1!

The fates were kind today.
 
With a mild struggle, I clinch the Heroes' pass to the playoffs. The dark lord stays strong, and will do so for the final rounds that are to come. Good game Eloy. 
 
Heroes #1!