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I agree that Shadow punch BP is a problem. As for coverage, Ghost + fighting is better than ice + fighting.

You are right. I am quite surprised to see that sneasel is UU with such a low usage. Without pursuit, Sharpedo is probably not a suitable replacement to sneasel, If jynx doesnt have lovely kiss, Aggron can force jynx out until the lack of recovery makes him faint. I dont see anyone beside metang that can safely get rid of jynx.

Why no one plays muk with curse and shadow punch?

If you play jynx with shadow ball instead of signal beam, sneasel becomes a really dangerous and easy switch in.

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How do you get SD on shedinja? The pokedex says it is an egg move, but since you receive shedinja before ninjask learn any moves I don't think it is possible right now.

Lapras is way too strong for this tier. Bad typing, but who cares!!! The base stats on this monsters overly compensate for the weaknesses. Since Pikachu will most likely be banned, what special attacker in the tier can safely switch in on him? 252+ SpA Ampharos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lapras: 234-276 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- 76.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery The perish trapper set is nearly impossible to stop...

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I think Kingler as A is fine. I don't disagree with you unless you want Kingler to be A+ or S. As for Azumarill, he might not have the speed of Kingler but he is way more bulky and therefore can be put in play more easily. Azumarill doesnt need a set up to hit extremly hard. Unlike Kingler, Crawdaunt and Sharpedo he has access to ice punch which is really useful against Exeggutor. Azumarill puts a lot of pressure on the tier. I have never seen a duel where Azumarill could not secure a kill before fainting. I cannot say the same thing for Kingler since I see him more as a "high risk high reward" sweeper.

I personally think Azumarill puts more pressure on the tier than Kingler. He might deserve the A rank but not more.

I agree with most of what you said, but I have a hard time seeing Vileplume, Exeggutor, Kanghaskan and Houndoom in A when I consider them more a pressure on the meta than Swellow. It also really bugs me to see Swellow in NU if he is that good of a sweeper.

He is way too fragile to come in early. I agree. Howerver, in the current meta I think wall breakers are more useful than late game sweepers. He is indeed a trapper, but a trapper that traps himself on pursuit which can also be an opportunity for an opposing sweeper to set up and sweep. Here is how I see it basically: Swellow is not a walbreaker, but he needs to hold an walbreaker item (CB) which cripples his ability to sweep late game.

I just dont see it as a A+. Protect is a really easy way to deal with Swellow. Electric bulky types can switch in on him. This is really subjective and debatable. Swellow is fast, but not as strong as other sweeper in the tier. I could also say that he allows his counters to be played. For instance, he allows bulky omastar to set up spikes which is not possible against other Normal spamming sweepers like Kanghaskan (EQ), Zangoose (SD) or Grandbull (Superpower). Normal+Flying is an extremely poor coverage. Not only does he have specific counters that can set up thanks to his crippling CB and poor coverage, he also needs to deal with regular walls like Steelix that people would play even if Swellow was absent. Swellow is a A rank threat, but since he also gives some viability to many counters, he should not be looked as more than A. A+ should be reserved for more proeminent pressure points of the current meta.

My point is that Swellow is currently A+. Why is he A+? What makes him an equal of Grandbull and a more viable option than Zangoose? It is not the normal spam; Zangoose and Grandbull do that better. It would be possible to argue that the combination of Flying + Normal stab forces people to use rock or steel type. But that's the only coverage he has!!! You could easily run Shuckle or Cradily to wall double-edge and use Lanturn or Ampharos to wall the flying stab. I am not trying to say that we should use Ghost to counter Swellow but that he gives an opening to electric bulky types (and not only Rock/Steel). His poor coverage also puts less pressure on Cradily and Shuckle that both Zangoose (immunity makes shuckle completly useless) and Grandbull handle very well. Edit: Swellow is also more fragile than both Grandbull and Zangoose. Edit2: I would also like to add that Swellow is currently (that will probably change) a NU pokemon!!! With a A+ rank in UU ... Fearow which is apparently a lesser version of Swellow is UU but with a worse rank (A). This is really strange.

Oh definitely!! I was just saying that Ghost can also be used to avoid normal spam.

Well it is clearly an easy solution but that doesn't mean they are mandatory. CB Swellow doesn't do anything against protect, since the person can simply switch on a ghost or electric type (Ampharos and Lanturn can be quite bulky). Then there is grandbull who can arguable take a hit with intimidate: -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Swellow Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 73-87 (37 - 44.1%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery And then he forces Swellow out with Return since the Return dmg + the Recoil dmg of Double-Edge = Dead Swellow 0 Atk Granbull Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Swellow: 102-120 (75 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Don't get me wrong Rock and Steel type are the best solution, but there is still some room for alternative play styles.

I agree with what you said about Fearow. As for Swellow, when look at him next to Grandbull and Manectric, I just dont see the same kind of pressure coming from him. Is he even viable without CB? Does he puts more pressure on the metagame than Exeggutor, Houndoom, Vileplume and Kanghaskhan?

I am quite surpise to see Swellow and Fearow ranked so high when they can't do anything against rock/steelix type. They hit hard but are also really predictable. IMO: Swellow A+ --> A Fearow A --> B+

Well it would be a great way also to make tournament registration based on merit instead of internet connexion.

I don't know much about Crobat in UU but I am curious to know in what set crobat needs 248 HP over SpAtk or Speed. IF Crobat is Ev Atk: 252 Atk Crobat Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magmar: 71-84 (50.7 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

With the omnipresence of Vileplume in usage, Breloom should probably go down to B+. Breloom is a common threat, but can be countered really easily. Fighting + electric is a decent coverage, with flaws nevertheless. ____________________________________________________________________________________ As for Kingler, he usually needs to set up in order to sweep and even then any priority move can stop him. When he doesnt need a set up, he usually get countered completly by exeggutor. He has decent def stat, but weak hp and spdef which makes it hard for him to come in play. I don't think he should be moved up or down.