Nyan, a lot of people on PokeMMO wanted me to start this thread, so here we are. :) Kinda a bit nervous to start a discussion about Delta Pokemon when PokeMMO is so early in development, but I guess it won’t get any further into development unless ideas are stated, so whatever happens lol I must give credit to Kiliminati for helping to come up with the ideas.
I read a lot that Darkshade really is interested in Holon, and I know a lot of people who would be delighted to have the idea of catching their own Delta Pokemon inside PokeMMO happen, so here are my ideas as to how it can work without Delta Pokemon overriding the meta game.
TL;DR:
This is a thread to discuss the possibility of Delta Pokemon being implimented in PokeMMO and how to make it work. Delta Pokemon are Pokemon with an alternate typing. Please at least try to skim the original post before posting, I know it's kinda a long read please forgive me.
What Are Delta Pokemon?:
Delta Pokemon are special Pokemon only seen in the Pokemon Trading Card Game. They look just like the original Pokemon, but are mutants originating in the Holon region by radio waves, similar to the Red Gyarados. They were created when scientists were searching for Mew on Holon, but it changed the Pokemon surrounding the area to have a different typing. Basically, it's a Pokemon with a different type.
How Delta Pokemon Will Appear in the Game:
They may only be obtainable in certain areas of PokeMMO, mainly in the region of Holon since that’s where they were originally created at. They will not, however, be the only Pokemon that appear in Holon. Regular forms of the Pokemon will usually appear in the region, but on a rare chance, maybe slightly less rare than than seeing a wild shiny, you will encounter a Delta Pokemon to capture. I’m not sure if you would like to stack shiny and Delta together, but a shiny Delta will probably be rarer than a regular shiny by 20-50%.
When you encounter a Delta Pokemon, next to their name will be the δ symbol and the symbol will stay next to this name even if it has a nickname to ensure in a PvP battle that it doesn’t have the Pokemon’s regular typing. When you look at the Pokemon Summary, the δ symbol will appear in the similar place the shiny star will be. I’m not sure what you would do if you would want an animation of something similar to the stars coming from a shiny when a Delta appears, maybe Δ’s instead? lol
Here are some crudely edited screenshots I found on Google Images to give you an idea of what I mean:
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How to Limit the Use of Delta Pokemon:
Making Them Unbreedable: They are mutants, so therefore they cannot breed would be the explanation for it. Keeps them rare like shinies and it wouldn’t be a hassle to decide how to program typings of Pokemon when they do breed.
1 Delta Pokemon Allowed in Tournaments: It’s an idea I thought of when watching the National Pokemon X/Y Tournament that happened earlier in July. They were only allowed to have one Mega Pokemon per party. Why not do something similar to that for Delta Pokemon? That way, everyone doesn’t just use Delta Pokemon to get a high advantage. You can capture as many Delta Pokemon as you like, but they will be limited when facing against actual people. If there will be such things as Mega Delta Pokemon in the future, then that 1 Pokemon will count as both the Mega they use and the Delta.
How Typings for Delta Pokemon Could Work:
There will only be one alternate typing for each Pokemon. I believe that if there are more, it would be too confusing for players. I tried playing Pokemon with all the types completely randomized and it was waaay too hard. Typings should be edited to also make sense to the Pokemon. For example, a regular Sandslash would be a Ground type, but a Delta Sandslash is a Fighting/Steel type. The Delta doesn’t really make that much sense does it? Possibly editing the typing to either Ground/Fighting or Ground/Steel will help keep consistency and not keep people who are new guessing what to do to defeat the Delta Sandslash.
I’ve spent my time to creating a list of Pokemon with regular typings and Delta typings. The last column has my ideas on how to edit the typings so it would make more sense to the game, but I will edit the list later so that way it has ideas that everyone agrees on. The question marks mean that I really don’t know what typing it should be, it doesn’t mean I want it to be a glitch type lol. I also wrote in parentheses the TCG name of the typing for reference. Semicolons mean it’s another Delta Pokemon that has a different type:
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# Pokemon Original Type Delta Type(s) IMO Delta Type
004 Charmander Fire Electric(Lightning) Fire/Electric
005 Charmeleon Fire Electric(Lightning) Fire/Electric
006 Charizard Fire/Flying Electric/Steel(Metal); ???
Dark
009 Blastoise Water Fighting/Steel(Metal) Water/Fighting or
Water/Steel
015 Beedrill Bug/Poison Grass/Steel(Metal) Bug/Steel
016 Pidgey Normal/Flying Electric(Lightning) Electric/Flying
017 Pidgeotto Normal/Flying Electric(Lightning) Electric/Flying
018 Pidgeot Normal/Flying Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal) Electric/Flying
022 Fearow Normal/Flying Electric(Lightning) Electric/Flying
023 Ekans Poison Fire Poison/Fire
024 Arbok Poison Fire Poison/Fire
025 Pikachu Electric Steel(Metal) Elecric/Steel
026 Raichu Electric Steel(Metal) Electric/Steel
028 Sandslash Ground Fighting/Steel(Metal) Ground/Fighting or
Ground/Steel
029 Nidoran♀ Poison Steel(Metal) Poison/Steel
030 Nidorina Poison Steel(Metal) Poison/Steel
031 Nidoqueen Poison/Ground Steel(Metal) Poison/Steel
032 Nidoran♂ Poison Dark Poison/Dark
033 Nidorino Poison Dark Poison/Dark
034 Nidoking Poison/Ground Dark Poison/Dark
037 Vulpix Fire Psychic Fire/Psychic
038 Ninetails Fire Psychic Fire/Psychic
043 Oddish Grass/Poison Water Grass/Water
044 Gloom Grass/Poison Psychic Grass/Psychic
045 Vileplume Grass/Poison Psychic/Steel(Metal) Grass/Psychic
052 Meowth Normal Dark/Steel(Metal); Dark Dark
053 Persian Normal Dark/Steel(Metal) Dark/Steel
054 Psyduck Water Electric(Lightning) Water/Electric
055 Golduck Water Electric(Lightning) Water/Electric
056 Mankey Fighting Fire Fighting/Fire
057 Primeape Fighting Fire Fighting/Fire
086 Seel Water Normal(Colorless) Water/Normal
087 Dewgong Water/Ice Normal(Colorless) Normal/Ice
090 Shellder Water Fighting Water/Fighting
091 Cloyster Water/Ice Fighting Water/Fighting
099 Kingler Water Fire/Steel(Metal) Water/Steel
102 Exeggcute Grass/Psychic Fighting Grass/Fighting
103 Exeggutor Grass/Psychic Fighting Grass/Fighting
105 Marowak Ground Fighting/Steel(Metal) Ground/Fighting or
Ground/Steel
116 Horsea Water Fire; Fighting ???
117 Seadra Water Fire; Fighting ???
121 Starmie Water/Psychic Water/Steel(Metal) Water/Steel
124 Jynx Ice/Psychic Fire Ice/Fire
125 Electabuzz Electric Fighting Electric/Fighting
127 Pinsir Bug Fighting Bug/Fighting
129 Magikarp Water Steel(Metal) Water/Steel
130 Gyarados Water/Flying Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal); Water/Steel
Fire
133 Eevee Normal Steel(Metal) Steel
134 Vaporeon Water Water/Steel(Metal) Water/Steel
135 Jolteon Electric Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal) Electric/Steel
136 Flareon Fire Fire/Steel(Metal) Fire/Steel
138 Omanyte Rock/Water Psychic Psychic/Water
139 Omastar Rock/Water Psychic Psychic/Water
140 Kabuto Rock/Water Electric(Lightning) Electric/Water
141 Kabutops Rock/Water Electric(Lightning) Electric/Water
142 Aerodactyl Rock/Flying Fire Fire/Flying
143 Snorlax Normal Grass ???
147 Dratini Dragon Electric(Lightning); Grass Dragon/Electric or
Dragon/Grass
148 Dragonair Dragon Electric(Lightning); Grass Dragon/Electric or
Dragon/Grass
149 Dragonite Dragon/Flying Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal); Dragon/Electric or
Grass Dragon/Steel
150 Mewtwo Psychic Fire/Steel(Metal); Electric(Lightning) ???
151 Mew Psychic Fire; Water ???
152 Chikorita Grass Fighting Grass/Fighting
153 Bayleef Grass Fighting Grass/Fighting
154 Meganium Grass Fighting Grass/Fighting
155 Cyndaquil Fire Psychic Fire/Psychic
156 Quilava Fire Psychic Fire/Psychic
157 Typhlosion Fire Psychic Fire/Psychic
158 Totodile Water Electric(Lightning) Water/Electric
159 Croconaw Water Electric(Lightning) Water/Electric
160 Feraligatr Water Electric(Lightning) Water/Electric
165 Ledyba Bug/Flying Steel(Metal) Bug/Steel
166 Ledian Bug/Flying Steel(Metal) Bug/Steel
169 Crobat Poison/Flying Grass/Steel(Metal) ???
172 Pichu Electric Steel(Metal) Electric/Steel
175 Togepi Normal(Fairy) Water ???
176 Togetic Normal(Fairy)/Flying Water ???
177 Natu Psychic/Flying Dark Dark/Flying
178 Xatu Psychic/Flying Dark Dark/Flying
179 Mareep Electric Normal(Colorless) Electric/Normal
180 Flaaffy Electric Normal(Colorless) Electric/Normal
181 Ampharos Electric Normal(Colorless) Electric/Normal
182 Bellossom Grass Water Grass/Water
184 Azumarill Water(/Fairy) Water/Steel(Metal) Water/Steel
194 Wooper Water/Ground Grass Water/Grass
195 Quagsire Water/Ground Grass Water/Grass
196 Espeon Psychic Psychic/Steel(Metal) Psychic/Steel
197 Umbreon Dark Dark/Steel(Metal) Dark/Steel
207 Gligar Ground/Flying Electric(Lightning) Electric/Flying
214 Heracross Bug/Fighting Fire Bug/Fire
226 Mantine Water/Flying Electric(Lightning) Water/Electric
230 Kingdra Water/Dragon Fire/Steel(Metal); Fighting ???
235 Smeargle Normal Psychic Psychic
238 Smoochum Ice/Psychic Fire Ice/Fire
239 Elekid Electric Fighting Electric/Fighting
246 Larvitar Rock/Ground Fire; Electric(Lightning) ???
247 Pupitar Rock/Ground Fire; Electric(Lightning) ???
248 Tyranitar Rock/Dark Fire/Steel(Metal); Electric(Lightning) ???
251 Treeko Grass Psychic Grass/Psychic
253 Grovyle Grass Psychic Grass/Psychic
254 Sceptile Grass Psychic Grass/Psychic
262 Mightyena Dark Dark/Steel(Metal) Dark/Steel
272 Ludicolo Water/Grass Fire Water/Fire
276 Taillow Normal/Flying Fire Fire/Flying
277 Swellow Normal/Flying Fire Fire/Flying
279 Pelipper Water/Flying Electric(Lightning) ???
280 Ralts Psychic(/Fairy) Fire ???
281 Kirlia Psychic(/Fairy) Fire ???
282 Gardevoir Psychic(/Fairy) Psychic/Steel(Metal); Fire ???
318 Carvanha Water/Dark Fighting Water/Fighting
319 Sharpedo Water/Dark Fighting Water/Fighting
328 Trapinch Ground Grass; Psychic ???
329 Vibrava Ground/Dragon Grass; Psychic ???
330 Flygon Ground/Dragon Grass/Steel(Metal); Psychic ???
332 Cacturne Grass/Dark Fighting Grass/Fighting
333 Swablu Normal/Flying Water Water/Flying
334 Altaria Dragon/Flying Water Dragon/Water
335 Zangoose Normal Steel(Metal) Steel
345 Lileep Rock/Grass Dark Dark/Grass
346 Cradily Rock/Grass Dark/Steel(Metal) Dark/Grass
347 Anorith Rock/Bug Steel(Metal) Steel/Bug
348 Armaldo Rock/Bug Fighting/Steel(Metal) Steel/Bug
349 Feebas Water Fire Water/Fire
350 Milotic Water Fire Water/Fire
357 Tropius Grass/Flying Steel(Metal) Grass/Steel
358 Chimecho Psychic Steel(Metal) Steel
371 Bagon Dragon Fire; Water ???
372 Shelgon Dragon Fire; Water ???
373 Salamence Dragon/Flying Fire/Steel(Metal); Water ???
374 Beldum Steel/Psychic Electric(Lightning) Steel/Electric
375 Metang Steel/Psychic Electric(Lightning) Steel/Electric
376 Metagross Steel/Psychic Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal) Steel/Electric
380 Latias Dragon/Psychic Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal); Dragon/Fire
Fire
381 Latios Dragon/Psychic Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal); Dragon/Water
Water
384 Rayquaza Dragon/Flying Electric(Lightning)/Steel(Metal); ???
Water/Steel(Metal)
386 Deoxys Psychic Dark; Steel(Metal); Normal(Colorless); ???
Electric(Lightning)
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I also had the idea that if there are such things as Mega Delta Pokemon, the typings may be based on the EX Delta Pokemon. Maybe not the best idea, as I’m not exactly sure what to do with it, but I made this chart anyways:
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# Pokemon Mega Evo? Mega Evo Type(s) EX Delta Type IMO Delta Mega Type
149 Dragonite No Grass
230 Kingdra No Fighting
248 Tyranitar Yes Rock/Dark Electric(Lightning) ???
254 Sceptile Yes Grass/Dragon Psychic Grass/Psychic
282 Gardevoir Yes Psychic/Fairy Fire ???
330 Flygon No Psychic
334 Altaria Yes Dragon/Fairy Water Dragon/Water
373 Salamence Yes Dragon/Flying Water ???
380 Latias No Fire
381 Latios No Water
384 Rayquaza No Electric(Lightning)
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Please let me know what your thoughts are; if it’s a good idea, if it’s a bad idea, if I missed something or made an incorrection in my list, how to improve my idea or add to it, etc. I’d love to hear anything that anyone says, even if it’s really negative and spiteful lol I’d also like to hear how some hacks or fan games handled Delta Pokemon for reference.