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Banning two pokes that scizor loves to come in on or revenge kill makes it more viable? Oh that's right inb4 flamethrower fire punch argument . Besides the point scizor should have been being used along time ago. That scnergy with kingdra and that revenge kill ability come on.

You have one +1 jolt up there. Come on if your going to do calcs on what I am saying about fake tears and growth do them then. Don't do the calcs that benefit your side of the argument. And on top of that not one of them can come in on the hps if predicted. And with any spike support fake tears isn't even needed. And acting like jolteon has no spec def bulk to come in kinda shocks me. You should know that it can come in and force things to switch. Jolteon,gengar,starmie,rain teams, dugtrio, all need to go for this meta to work now. Umbreon becomes the only thing that can stop spec attackers but then becomes set up bait. Cough centralizing *

Pretty sure I said half of the pokes and I was excluding venu obviously. But if you want to be that person whatever. Nice calcs without a growth or tears btw. Ofc you make it fit your side. And most physical attackers are packing band so after one check it's forced to run not keep forcing switches outside of agility gross

And how did hidden power the other filler moves not get mentioned on jolteon which kos the more then half of the above pokes with spike support and given the right hidden power? And I wouldn't be suprisee to see vap starting to run tears or venu running growth.

Cough growth fake tears + spike support

The one thing I fail to understand is they say they need to add end game content but delay updates because their hands are in the cookie jar playing with shiny rates. They have a great mmo here and yet they are focusing on things that do not need tampered with. Smh yet another game imo that developers fail to meet the communities goal and only focus on what they think is needed. Which ends up with a dead game. Honestly add the dungeons the pokes needed so then the game can grow. Tbh the shiny rate isn't that big of a deal. It just pisses me off for the fact they are messing with things like that instead of stuff we need to stick around. Nobody wants to grind like this and not even have things needed to keep it going. In fact after this I lost all motivation to keep grinding and I'm sure I'm not the only one. it's not even money waisted its time. The saying time is money is clearly relivent and its been robbed in so many ways.

isnt it ironic that they have time to tamper with the rates on all of this but not implement miltolic and legendary pokes? like come on, you could have been doing something productive that the "community wanted and NEEDS" but now you have a community that doesn't trust you at all now. good job on that one. what other things have been only forced for $$$$$ purposes instead of growing the game like they say?

What honestly does ursaring have to do with the bans? I'm confused

An illegocal assumption is saying no special attackers a're viable with snorlax and blissey. If you don't know how to bait and eventually weaken them that's a you problem. That's like saying no physical attackers are viable because of skarmory if your just gonna hit them. and you think just banning snorlax and blissey will make pokes more viable and for things to keep evolving? You think people won't use the next best pokes and abuse them? The meta won't keep evolving due to the limited pokes we have and items we have. Banning things are like a bandaid for 2-3 months. you can say you have more special walls and look at all these team building things I can do. When I guarantee You if this stays in 2-3 months it becomes stale again. Snorlqx and blissey just outclassed the original bl pokes just like legendaires outclassed lax and blissey. That shouldn't warrabt bans.

Isn't it funny how we can't go aside complex bans but we can go against tier policies? Even though I don't think curse lax is an issue(never got swept by one) maybe because when I team build I make sure I have it covered. I don't even use one and find the tank version much harder to play against. Maybe my team building process maybe not. But unhealthy is a point of view and you cant argue it. It's all subjective. That's why you have tier policies. Usage only proves that it's used a lot and outclassed every other special wall. That doesn't = ban worthY. Now we have a bl tier(if this stays tc should name it bl tier). And for everyone now with issues of espeon zam and company fun times awaite

Are the braces and hats part of the code also?

What's the difference between that and the split just curious? Didn't split happen in gen 4?

To be ready? I didn't hear that could be wrong. I think yes and scarf could change how the whole meta is pplayed. It would probably let things like the big 3 back in play. Especially with scarf. Specs not sure of it will help starmie and company for sure. Especially accompanied with trick. Literally destroys lax and blissey.

Yes and technician etc. They helped a lot but acting like all 3 of them should be uu just blows my mind. Especially with punches pursuit and still brelooms spore. Don't understand it.

Oh sorry forgetting abilities. Pretty sure they would and could still do well in ou. No reason why any 3 of them should have dropped to uu. No reason why 3 of them literally keep them off the field. And if your gonna nit pick. You forgot the abilities and moves in your post.

People in pokemmo just like to cry and say that a poke is broken because they got swept. It is now "screw ban criteria let's just ban to do something" which what it has always been from what I have seen but used the ban criteria to do it. Now that you can't do that with lax and blissey it's let's screw the ban criteria. Cough dnite was centralizing as much as snorlax. legendaries are a big issue on the centralizing around the fatsos but missing scarf and specs and abilities and moves a bigger issue. Focus blast took threatened them a lot. I'm sure when we get that gengar will be suspected and the tables will get flipped saying I can't use any special walls. Pokemmo community slowest community to adapt and dont want too. They rather just cry and want a ban. So they can keep using their pokes they want to. Look at scizor sitting in uu,machamp breloom, lol I could go on but what do all 3 of them do? Keep fatsos off the field. People don't use them because they see uu. That's a problem. There is no reason for them to be uu and everyone knows it. They were all ou in gen 4 and all filled their needs perfectly. People do not want to team build, they would rather spectate and say hey that worked I want one of them.

You do realize it's stagnant due to the lack of pokes and breeding is time consuming because of funds? Maybe it's time to accept that's it's impossible to build this perfect meta with the access we have to stuff. It will always be slower due to we have to breed and then takes forever to see new things emerge because of that. Then when there is a ban every month trying to fix things people keep going back to where they feel comfortable. That is a huge issue within the community and people do not want to risk losing in tournaments for trying things.

I dint think it adds any more versatility. You now would have to make a special core and defensive core and carry dugtrio to make a somewhat safe team. Which leaves you with one open slot. I'm tired of hearing this versatility craps and opening up options when we only have 10-14 pokes that are even worth considering. And when you keep banning them that number drops it doesn't add pokes that are outclassed because you still have main ou pokes like gengar meta heracross that can still drop on them.

Cough* slippery slope. Throw gengar and trio in it with the test while your at it.

And if you guys are both talking about removing them are you not doing the same theorymon I'm doing but on the other side of it? Your guessing that this is what could happen when ignoring dugtrio. There is a big difference you banned 3 of the top physical threats yet no big spec attackers are banned. So don't tell me it's an equilibrium because it isn't on so many levels. yeah there is cb to help but that can also hurt you a lot. Spec attackers can literally just fire away after trio destroys a special core....so does that mean I now have to run a defensive core and special core? Hhmmmmm stall based meta inbound so you don't get swept by trio and spec attackers. Yes you have magneton on the special side to do the opposite but let's face it. That removes two defensive walls. Dugtrio can literally remove a special core without even hesitating. All you would have to do is run a mix attacker like metagross to beat down the walls and trio to clean up then send in starmie And company. So no I'm not all about this and again I want blissey gone because I hate it but I also know that it will not be balanced. Starmie gengar and jolt are way to strong.

I think it's a waste of time. To many things become unbroken. instead of having a physical meta it becomes trio+ gengar starmie jolt and eventually you sweep. And banning all those things lol I'm sure ou will be beyond boring. Lf gen 4 moves abilities and items or reverse the split back. Devs should start to consider this. Ou is broken as broken gets with the split and even banning these two makes it more boring and more broken. We shouldn't even have to test this. You should be able to look at the huge hole that is presented with those two gone.

True but that's based on if everything is at full health. And what really stops gengar now? I think that thing is gonna be op. One poison and it becomes basically snorlax hax with para. I really think removing these frees a lot of stuff up making it more diverse but will create a lot of things to be broken.

^. It doesn't make it more dangerous it just makes it more noticeable and a easier way to let the special sweepers sweep. I don't know how many times I gotta say it but when you keep removing pokes your gonna end up having another one rise and become centralizing With the limited pokes we have. And I'm pretty sure everyone hates dugtrio more then lax and blissey. But if we don't remove it also then ou becomes centralized around trio which makes the meta just funny.Either way trio does it's job against the fat blobs but will be more noticeable without having to kill them when it can revenge kill everything with a cb set now without spikes. If blobs go trio must go with it or this test is pointless. It actually takes us back to 2013

I don't really want to see. It doesn't take any more skill then throwing blissey or lax in then it does to run trio plus them. And what's even better....you could do that with snorlax and blissey. this really isn't a solution imo and I wanted blissey gone for a long time. There will always be something that is unhealthy in ou until we get the items,abilities,and moves needed. This split was cancerous with out them. But I could say I told you so but I won't. This just looks desperate.

Cough* dugtrio just becomes a bigger issue with special sweepers. Think dugtrio needs added to the ban.