Umbramol

Why does every discussion thread turn into a clown fiesta?

Yes i forgot to mention that i would replace one of linoone or azu to add scrafty, probably azu cause after all the meta changes with sinnoh addition i believe its easier to stop it now

There should be scrafty, given that azu and linoone lure in different walls, scrafty lures in walls that linoone or azumarill want gone.. but my initial opinion remains, there are ways, enough ways to stop the team while making a viable, at least decent team yourself that could stand its ground vs many different matchups

Well the argument is going to a point where people are just being spoonfed with answers.. there are many games in the past 3 months where the team has been stopped and misused.. from my experience mandibuzz never stopped me sweep when using this team.. the tier in general has shifted much more in favour of offense and many people are stuck into using 4 wall comps which now are being abused with simply stealth rock and volt turning from stuff like rotom which is dangerous pivot, while having a handful of other strong wallbreakers, or the existing ones are being facilitated by them..the issue is failing to adapt, not the specific team.. i believe if people do the research answers will come.

I'm blushing.. but yea there are a handful of ways to stop the team.. the thing is that these 6 pokemons alone aren't a problem, its the combination of screens and overload of setting up. So its not like something can be done about it. To be fair though the team has seen much usage indeed but only a few players had success with it in big occasions and those are the players who would succeed with any other team.. i too agree the team doesn't require much "skill" but you would be surprised of how poorly it has been used. I get more annoyed seeing people not being able to find ways to answer it than the actual spam..

GG to china for tieing and achieving qualification and a massive GG to my team.. we put up a fight in the toughest group and almost made it out..irl duties fidnt let me help more the last two weeks but you guys more than covered for me.. well played everyone

I second that

I take sweetforu for 500k.

I won, GG

Rotoms carry hidden power grass a lot.. if it was the case gastro would already be a king in UU.

252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Mandibuzz: 109-129 (50.2 - 59.4%) -- 77% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rotom-Heat: 90-107 (57.3 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery I used hammer arm against a bulky variant of rotom-heat cause as you mentioned we need a set with good coverage. It doesnt seem to me that the 2 pokemons coldly stop metagross. Also I don't know which pokemons you consider top 15 but here is a very interesting calc i found on one of the top UU threats. 252 Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 120-142 (77.4 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO it seems to me that heracross does lose from a metagross variant with 0 bulk.. which isnt even the optimal spread but i made it just for the sake of the argument. Anyways my original argument for metagross is that it will fullfill its role in a team most of the times and it doesn't need much support to do so.. it has a kit that allows it to deal with most of the stuff in the tier and in my opinion it is one of the top threats in UU. about scrafty i have already accepted that maybe its influence has been overestimated and maybe the big success i had using the said pokemon had been cause certain circumstances allowed to do so and that's why this thread is made so everyone can share their opinion so the viability rankings become as accurately representative as they possibly can be

I don't get why u guys have an issue with them betting for their friends or the people they believe will win.. if you disagree just bet against them and make money.

HAX.

Stop it xdorkie

Rotom-heat is the best pokemon in the tier right now.. also scrafty is pretty much unwallable and snowballs out of control with moxie and dragon dance mainly

First of all i agree to exeggutor and victrebell being added and with mandibuzz and mismagius going up and down respectively. -Metagross i commented about in the previous comment.. look above.. i believe people have yet to catch up on hoe powerful it is. -heracross and scrafty right now are in their best.. crobat is dropping because of rotom and people tend to forget how powerful these two are and many teams have no fighting resistances for 2 pokemons that were already hard to wall. -Lanturn offers a rotom check and being annoying in general.. but that doesnt justify A+.. it still can be exploited and doesnt wall a bunch of special defensive threats that exist in the tier. -Staraptor im still undecided to be completely honest. It is one of the best revenge killers in the meta, strong stabs that make it a good band user too and its ability while not reckless is still useful.it is however weak to rocks and struggles to switch into stuff. Maybe A- can be more representative. -Bisharp and empoleon. A- to B+ is a small difference and i guess it has to do with how people see those 2 pokemons. Bisharp is a great anti-offense pokemon which exploits the best wall in UU(mandibuzz) and most other walls struggle to stop it aswell. Empoleon can successfully run many different sets, physical special, rocker,defogger. I think those reasons justify A- for both. -Azumarill is good. No denying that. But apart from the previous problems that it had now there is rotom mow, toxicroak and k9 with another priority move that can revenge kill it.. i think its current tier is representative of its ability. -Absol now struggles a lot more than before and thats mainly due to the meta being more offensive than before.. now it cant switch into anything or setup into anything. I think it belongs to the tier it currently is. -Gastrodon can maybe be a B tier mon but its outclassed by lanturn as a volt stopper special defensively cause rotom can exploit much easier with hp grass and empoleon runs grass knot. As a physical wall it doesnt offer anything more than the existing ones and it struggles to switch into the best wallbreakers. And last, venomoth. I see a lot of people asking venomoth to be an A tier mon.. venomoth is weak to rock,fire,psychic,flying.. weak to hazards and it cant even switch into its resistances.. i ask you to calc how much damage it takes from a medicham high jump kick or a close combat from heracross. It does exploit lanturn which people tend to run a lot as their only special defensive wall but snorlax and gigalith still stop it.. and especially snorlax is still a very good pokemon in the tier. Personally i could say that yes, maybe it is B tier and not B-. But A or A- that its being asked sounds like the pokemon is very overrated. Again thanks for the constructive criticism, the opinions of everyone is greatly appreciated.

-Metagross excells in every role its designed to fullfill on a team.. has a very wide moveset and it can run successfully a big variety of sets which all are viable and great. I think that puts it into S tier. -Dusclops while a very good defensive wall in this current meta of volt turn and wallbreakers struggles to fullfill its role because without reliable recovery apart from rest which makes it a set up bait struggles to maintain its health throughout the game and thats why B tier is justified. -Alakazam while I personally love the mon and it has great speed and much power it struggles to wallbreak the bulkiest special defense wall, its very easily to be trapped and killed by the most common pursuiter(scarf krook), it struggles even again mandibuzz unless you hit a focus blast coming in and another after that.. that involves a lot of risk.. also uu has a lot of priority.. A LOT.. and alakazam can be oneshotted by many of those priority moves.. i think the B- tier is very representative on where it stands.. thanks for the feedback though and everyone's opinions are appreciated.

I won. GG!

Im getting trapped again. In his case for starters some competitive experience would be cool. In general any form of competitive accolades or at least decent results on this game. Psl, tts, tournaments.. these are the main ways for competitive players to prove themselves before they try to dig on other people.

Lmfao

If u wanna call me out on something at least have the balls to tag me.. but even so.. until u get something better than a top 10 on battle factory u r not allowed to speak about competitive issues

You are wasting your time explaining stuff to this kid.. he will always present a shitty excuse that he actually had to do with the outcome.. or that either me or sweet would give a crap about any bets during our game.. its obvious that this person doesnt know what "earn" means.. probably never earned anything in his life.. its just another cry for attention.. he knows that he both lost money and the trust of his teammates(and the whole competitive community).. he gonna hide behind shitty comments on a forum and try desperately to show that he matters

Great game bro.. always a pleasure to play against u. Doesnt matter if win or loss or that some people tried to overshadow the game with their actions, the hype stayed and we put on a good show in an overall terribly handled competition. Looking forward to our next battle!

Me vs sweetforu in 15

You disrespect the effort of your teammates by publicly stating that you want them to lose for FAKE money but the others are stupid and kids..