[UU Discussion] Exeggutor (remains UU)

[DrCraig]

Exeggutor

Viable Moves:

Offensive:

Psychic

Solarbeam

Explosion

Hidden Power Fire/Ice

Giga Drain

Sludge Bomb

Ancient Power

Low Kick

 

Status:

Sunny Day

Sleep Powder

Synthesis/Moonlight

Leech Seed

Wish

 

 

Main Set:

 

Sunny Day Sweeper

Item: Leftovers / Lum

Nature: Modest

EVs: 252SATK/HP + 252SPE (or just 101, or something)

Moves:

- Sunny Day

- Sleep Powder / Explosion

- Solarbeam

- Psychic

 

Other sets not worth listing: Leech Seeder and stuff

 

 

Exeggutor is a punishing late game sweeper with a massive SATK. It has nice bulky, optimal coverage, but also has its downsides. It is helplessly pursuit trapped, and there are a number of Thick Fat users such as Grumpig which give it trouble. It is definately a hugh offensive presence and I'm curious what the opinion if on its status. (Thread was a request)

 

Discuss moving to BL.

Edited March 5, 2015 by DrCraig

[fredrichnietze]

boom>>>>>>>>>>>>>sbomb>/=hp fire/ice>everything else in existence>>>>>>>>>sleep power

 

sleep powder has 1/4 chance of hitting missing and 1/3 chance of one turn wake (so worse then useless mroe often then not)

 

and does not learn calm mind.

Edited March 5, 2015 by fredrichnietze

[DrCraig]

boom>>>>>>>>>>>>>sbomb>/=hp fire/ice>everything else in existence>>>>>>>>>sleep power

 

sleep powder has 1/4 chance of hitting and 1/3 chance of one turn wake (so worse then useless mroe often then not)

75% chance to sleep noob

 

and does not learn calm mind.

lol

[fredrichnietze]

 

boom>>>>>>>>>>>>>sbomb>/=hp fire/ice>everything else in existence>>>>>>>>>sleep power

 

sleep powder has 1/4 chance of hitting and 1/3 chance of one turn wake (so worse then useless mroe often then not)

75% chance to sleep noob

 

im stupid sometimes

[Goldeneyes]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Signal_Beam_%28move%29 

 

Thanks fred

Edited March 5, 2015 by Goldeneyes

[karimologia]

Rapidash, Ninetails, counter it very well... this n00bs, as soon as they lose against something they start this kind of discussions.

[DrCraig]

Rapidash, Ninetails, counter it very well... this n00bs, as soon as they lose against something they start this kind of discussions.

1. I have not done 1 UU battle yet, I was asked to make this.

2. Rapidash is complete shit, and Ninetails is in limbo between being viable or not. If anything Flareon should be considered.

Edited March 5, 2015 by DrCraig

[karimologia]

1. I have not done 1 UU battle yet, I was asked to make this.

2. Rapidash is complete shit, and Ninetails is in limbo between being viable or not. If anything Flareon should be considered.

1. Flash fire

2. Morning sun/Hypnosis/Megahorn

3. Solar Beam/Giga Drain x 0.5

 

Just talking about Rapidash, Ninetails its even more bulky than Rapi. so Craig pls.

[DrCraig]

1. Flash fire

2. Morning sun/Hypnosis/Megahorn

3. Solar Beam/Giga Drain x 0.5

 

Just talking about Rapidash, Ninetails its even more bulky than Rapi. so Craig pls.

Rapidash is walled easily in the tier, its obviously falling in NU. Using rapidash is a bad idea.

 

Before the update everybody was scared of Ninetails gaining Solar Beam and Calm Mind. A few weeks pass and everybody realizes it really isn't as good as it seems. It holds a tiny role in teams, has little room to come in, and little room to set up. Ninetails seems good on paper, but I would never put too much faith in it.

 

Flareon is the most viable fire type and I think it holds itself up well vs. Exeggutor, and a majority of the tier. Most of its opportunities it has to come in, it can do big damage. Ninetails can come in on the same pokemon, but it can't do anything to them because it is special. Rapidash is shit.

[Robofiend]

I'm skeptical, when I've used exegg thus far it's just been really good at dying

[ShucklePwnz]

Shiftry is a good switch on Exeggutor

252+ SpA Exeggutor Giga Drain vs. 6 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 42-49 (25.3 - 29.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO <<< Sp Attacker Exeggutor

 

6 SpA Exeggutor Giga Drain vs. 6 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 31-37 (18.6 - 22.2%) -- possible 5HKO <<< Wall Exeggutor

 

252+ Atk Shiftry Faint Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Exeggutor: 78-92 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

2 Hit KO if Choice Band, also Shiftry can setup Swords Dance or Sub(maybe both?Sub/Salac stronk)

 

But yea it gets shrekt by HP Fire.

If Exeggutor setup Sun when Shiftry switches in, Shiftry may finish it because it also gets Chlorophyll

252+ Atk Choice Band Shiftry Faint Attack vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 162-192 (94.7 - 112.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

 

IMO Choice Band is viable on Shiftry, Leaf Blade/Faint Attack/Low Kick/Explosion is a good set.

[DrCraig]

Shiftry is a good switch on Exeggutor

252+ SpA Exeggutor Giga Drain vs. 6 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 42-49 (25.3 - 29.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO <<< Sp Attacker Exeggutor

 

6 SpA Exeggutor Giga Drain vs. 6 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 31-37 (18.6 - 22.2%) -- possible 5HKO <<< Wall Exeggutor

 

252+ Atk Shiftry Faint Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Exeggutor: 78-92 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

2 Hit KO if Choice Band, also Shiftry can setup Swords Dance or Sub(maybe both?Sub/Salac stronk)

 

But yea it gets shrekt by HP Fire.

If Exeggutor setup Sun when Shiftry switches in, Shiftry may finish it because it also gets Chlorophyll

252+ Atk Choice Band Shiftry Faint Attack vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 162-192 (94.7 - 112.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

 

IMO Choice Band is viable on Shiftry, Leaf Blade/Faint Attack/Low Kick/Explosion is a good set.

4+ SpA Exeggutor Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 136-162 (81.9 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Shiftry Faint Attack vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 162-192 (80.1 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

252+ SpA Exeggutor Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 166-196 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

Yea Shiftry is pretty safe unless Exeggutor uses its 4th slot for Sludge Bomb, also giving it some extra coverage that isn't too situational.

 

[spoiler]Being devil's advocate for the sake of discussion[/spoiler]

[felix]

 

Being devil's advocate for the sake of discussion

 

by that do you mean shitting on Rapidash and Ninetales without any good argument? if yes, nice job.

 

mantine eats exeggutor btw

 

40 SpA Mantine Hidden Power Flying vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 102-120 (58.2 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

40 SpA Mantine Ice Beam vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 90-106 (51.4 - 60.5%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

252+ SpA Exeggutor Psychic vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Mantine: 49-58 (28.4 - 33.7%) -- 97.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

[flavajabari]

by that do you mean shitting on Rapidash and Ninetales without any good argument? if yes, nice job.

 

mantine eats exeggutor btw

 

40 SpA Mantine Hidden Power Flying vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 102-120 (58.2 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

40 SpA Mantine Ice Beam vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 90-106 (51.4 - 60.5%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

252+ SpA Exeggutor Psychic vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Mantine: 49-58 (28.4 - 33.7%) -- 97.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

but who runs sp def mantine?

&

252+ SpA Exeggutor SolarBeam vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Mantine: 76-90 (44.1 - 52.3%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO

[felix]

but who runs sp def mantine?

&

252+ SpA Exeggutor SolarBeam vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Mantine: 76-90 (44.1 - 52.3%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO

the only way to not run spdef is running swift swin and rain dance, and that is a bad mantine, just saying.

Edited March 5, 2015 by felix

[flavajabari]

the only way to not run spdef is running swift swin and rain dance, and that is a bad mantine, just saying.

 

i've never seen ppl run 216+ sp def mantine, most were like bold full hp def or some split

[caughtem]

but who runs sp def mantine?

o/

[karimologia]

VS (careful "support")

252+ SpA Exeggutor Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Altaria: 40-48 (21.9 - 26.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Exeggutor Psychic vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Altaria: 60-72 (32.9 - 39.5%) -- 15.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Exeggutor SolarBeam vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Altaria: 19-23 (10.4 - 12.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

 

0- SpA Altaria Fire Blast vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 88-104 (50.2 - 59.4%) -- 76.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

0- SpA Altaria Fire Blast vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor in Sun: 130-154 (74.2 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

I think altaria could work.

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2015 by karimologia

[felix]

i've never seen ppl run 216+ sp def mantine, most were like bold full hp def or some split

I always used +Spdef mantine with 200ish evs, never see someone using a +def mantine effectively, usually is dead weight. but this isn't a discussion about mantine anyway.

 

 

Xatu can work nicely as a check if switches in the turn that exeggutor sets up the sun.

 

(not sure if i should make this calcs with +speed exeg)

252+ SpA Exeggutor Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xatu: 54-65 (38.5 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Exeggutor SolarBeam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xatu: 72-86 (51.4 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

252 SpA Xatu Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Exeggutor in Sun: 218-258 (128.2 - 151.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Xatu Signal Beam vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Exeggutor: 220-260 (129.4 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

(even without a -spd nature it will not survive the hit)

 

Porygon2 can switch in the turn that exegg setus up the sun, traces clorophil (I'm using default evs from smogon here, not sure if ppl runs spdef on porygon2, doesn't mean it isn't an option)

 

252+ SpA Exeggutor Psychic vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Porygon2: 64-76 (33.3 - 39.5%) -- 13.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Exeggutor SolarBeam vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Porygon2: 84-100 (43.7 - 52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

40 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 110-130 (64.7 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[DrCraig]

by that do you mean shitting on Rapidash and Ninetales without any good argument? if yes, nice job.

 

mantine eats exeggutor btw

 

40 SpA Mantine Hidden Power Flying vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 102-120 (58.2 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

40 SpA Mantine Ice Beam vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Exeggutor: 90-106 (51.4 - 60.5%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

252+ SpA Exeggutor Psychic vs. 252 HP / 216+ SpD Mantine: 49-58 (28.4 - 33.7%) -- 97.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Never said Exeggutor shit on them, I said they are shit as a whole. Ninetails and Rapidash are not that effective in the tier.

 

Please read Felix..

Edited March 5, 2015 by DrCraig

[felix]

Never said Exeggutor shit on them, I said they are shit as a whole. Ninetails and Rapidash are not that effective in the tier.

 

Please read Felix..

umad?

 

actually I think Rapidash isn't effective, it can fill the gimmick role or just be that fast thing that you wait to bring when it can really do something.

i would say that Ninetales is a C rank, it has some good tools to play with, as a nice bulky, LF UU viability rank.

 

back on topic, i think exeggutor is fine atm.

[fredrichnietze]

All this thread really needs is a list of signal beam users in UU. 

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Signal_Beam_%28move%29

>_> 10 seconds to pull this up and copy the url

[Robofiend]

Yea Shiftry is pretty safe unless Exeggutor uses its 4th slot for Sludge Bomb, also giving it some extra coverage that isn't too situational.

 

[spoiler]Being devil's advocate for the sake of discussion[/spoiler]

 

 

I think people generally run speedy Shiftry (Jolly/Adamant) anyway, so Shiftry could at least put a good dent in Exegg before getting rekt. Also:

 

252+ SpA Exeggutor Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry in Sun: 370-436 (114.9 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

Kinda eliminates the need for a special move to cover Shit tree.

[DrCraig]

I think people generally run speedy Shiftry (Jolly/Adamant) anyway, so Shiftry could at least put a good dent in Exegg before getting rekt. Also:
 
252+ SpA Exeggutor Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry in Sun: 370-436 (114.9 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Kinda eliminates the need for a special move to cover Shit tree.

Was doing Adamant for the sake of showing damage

[OldKeith]

I think Exeggutor will settle just fine in UU. Now that every Psychic will run Signal Beam, and dark types feeling at home in UU, I think a player will consider carefully before bringing an Exeggutor.