DoubleJ

If Spiritomb becomes a problem and the community requests a ban, we'll open a discussion thread and approach it using our standard ban process. Time will tell.

Spiritomb is great and likely a healthy add. I predict CM sets will be hard to counter at first and will be devastating for folks that aren't prepared.

They could probably create an in game voting system, but that would require a lot of effort and I don't know how feasible that would be.

Love this.

Anything and everything is on the table, so long as it's not a ban to ubers from OU haha

This is just a me thing, but what I'm getting at is looking at items and really assessing if some are broken. That could mean Item Clause as a buffer, but it could also mean getting rid of Gems since they're not cannon and are nukes, or even revisiting the new items like Loaded Dice. Should Berry's be revised? Lots to consider there that might prevent some bans.

Step out the box bro, a lot of our power issues can be tracked back to items. Lucario is just one example of many.

Now this is a fair counter argument, thank you. I've become very critical of item diversity over the past few months and your points are valid and exacerbated further by Lucario being asked to run a number of different items that can abuse its opps. Personally, I would start there instead.

I'm taking bullets for other people's posts now. I must be the TC Boss. #flexxx

Well, I'll see you back here in a few weeks if Lucario is banned and you start calling for a Machamp ban because of its raw power, bulk, and advantageous speed for a wallbreaker. As Conkeldurr 2.0, UU will struggle to adapt just like it does with most wallbreakers. And if you think boosted Mach Punch can stop offense like boosted Extremespeed then you should reconsider your comments, but it will cause centralization and stall/wall teams will be pressured immensely. So get a grip and wait for the final tally.

No offense taken. At least my opinion and vote is transparent.

I'll share my final thoughts on Lucario now: 1. It does not meet the definition of offensive uber by my assessment. It has too many checks and does not sweep consistently with little to no support. 2. It does not meet the definition of unhealthy by my assessment. While it is certainly centralizing and something every team must be prepared for, it itself does not cause harm to the tier. Removing Lucario alone would also not improve the health of the tier, as offensive pokemon that would replace it (Machamp, Bisharp) would likely also have a similar impact on centralization but would be less effective against offensive strategies given less ideal priority moves (espeed vs mach/bullet/sucker). My vote is to keep Lucario. This does not mean Lucario will stay. That depends on my colleagues perspective.

Oh sorry, this has nothing to do with the survey but the overall discussion in general.

If Lucario is banned, are you saying the tier will be healthier and balanced? If Lucario is banned will the focus be on weather or will the community call for a string of bans including Togekiss, Entei, and Kabutops (and maybe even Machamp which will rise in the absence of Lucario)? What does the tier gain from a deep BL list?

So, if the TC proceeds to ban Roserade, Arcanine, Durant, Ninjask, Moltres, Venomoth, Qwilfish, and Hitmontop over the next year, then what? At this rate, this is what y'all are calling for. If you truly think the tier will be better with a deep BL2 list then you should be making an argument for what the ideal tier would look like.