Munya

Please remain on topic, Caoix is not usable in any of the tiers and therefore is not a topic of discussion for this thread.

It is the same as normal tiers, and no, untiered is not an actual tier so shifts between NU and untiered will not be published. They were done today though.

Zapdos was put in OU, if that needs to be said.

If that is a NU/Untiered swap I'll probably be doing those later today, they are usually a day behind since I have the luxury of not needing to do them a few days ahead of time.

You are free to feel that way, we will however still be reviewing the bans. All of the tier changes listed in the OP are now live in game

Pretty much everything that wasn't in the previous post is up for discussion, the last day or two we've been doing that with garchomp, testing out a discord feature. If anyone wants to shill for it now is the time. As it currently stands its looking like it will remain as is until other things that can possibly deal with it are introduced but the discussion isn't over yet.

It has been unbanned with the fixes deployed in the later update.

Up for discussion yes.

So far the following things have been found to need no discussion, remaining banned/how they are now 100% if thats not clear. Dugtrio is currently waiting for one more vote, but is the only thing left that might be excluded from discussion entirely.

Ah yeah.

No, its just a review of the bans to see if anything needs to come off, some of this stuff has been on the list since like 2017? Many many years at the least. Its written into the policy(or will be if i forgot to do it) that at the end of every year now we review the list instead of just letting them rot forever never to be looked at. Currently I am asking them if any of these need a serious discussion, they are voting on this for each one individually and you are all free to try and sway some minds during this phase, if something get through this phase then it can be looked at more in depth with normal discussion procedures.

Starting off a new year, end of season cutoffs 3.75 to go down 4.75 to go up. To OU from UU: Mandibuzz To UU from OU: Gastrodon Raikou Nothing moves into or out of NU from or to UU. This is also our month of review(it starts this month, discussion may/probably will carry over into January) for existing bans. Mostly just re-assessing where everybody is at with everything with the current state of the tiers. The list that I have is in the below spoiler.

If it requires dev intervention chances are you can blame us because we either greenlit it or did it ourselves. I don't remember the specific discussion but I do know the want to keep it as close to its original implementation while not being broken is a dev desire though.

It was felt that the nerfs to the ability may have been hasty. We have the technology now to revert the nerf without an update though so it can be dropped back down immediately if need be.

I think, don't quote me on it, you would want to divide the current rate with the given changes by the unmodified rate, so 19440 that he gave by 30000, which is .648 or 64.8%, so the current rate is 64.8% of what it is unmodified so a 35.2% increase no?

It will appear again.

Until it can be disabled or fixed, currently a bug with it major enough that we have warranted a temporary ban of its use.

Can you please avoid comments that rely entirely on speculation such as "Everybody thinks this or that", or "They are waiting for this to happen or that to happen" without actually knowing, or being able to know. People can speak for themselves, they don't need you to do it for them. You should make arguments for/from yourself from your own thoughts/opinions, not for/from other people and what you think they may be thinking.

Entei is now in UU, have fun with your Legendary DOG

What happens when you try and move past where a rock should be?

Its not supposed to be easy.

If you think it should be banned you should bring some arguments to the table, as it stands nobody has mentioned anything by it. He is right in that generalized statements contribute nothing. As far as we are aware, at least I anyways, its fine. Nobody has said anything about what or why its a problem if it is.

No, and please don't derail this thread with more of the top .5% players thing you keep pulling out of nowhere, they are not that expensive. I expect this to be the only post from you about this matter.

Second month of the season, usage cutoffs of 2.5 to go down, 6.0 to go up. To UU from OU: Entei That's it for this month, feel free to discuss whatever you feel needs discussing within the tiers. As usual offtopic posts will be removed.

Its in BL, if you want to make a case for testing it again you can, but I don't think haxorus has ever come up where it didn't almost unanimously get shot down.