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The OU metagame is horrible. How much time must we wait for something to be done? The PP nerf is disgusting. Regenerator is gross. I have seen terrible metagames, but this is absolutely shameful. Enough with the delays and excuses, we need actions.

UU Zokuru vs TohnR

Quinn vs Logic

ya i feel irrelevant 😞

@Munya watch out, he's coming for your job xD

@Munya we want answers!

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I made some adjustments to the ranking formula to reduce the match-up score penalty when losing. This is the results. Before After Players Win Lose Score Players Win Lose Score Elvessss 6 0 1628 Elvessss 6 0 1628 ForFour 5 1 1436 ForFour 5 1 1460 Mendeez 5 1 1394 Mendeez 5 1 1414 Gasyflour 5 1 1388 Gasyflour 5 1 1409 ArtOfKilling 5 1 1388 ArtOfKilling 5 1 1408 DoubleJ 2 0 1298 DTNight 4 1 1309 DTNight 4 1 1283 KokenoCastro 4 1 1306 KokenoCastro 4 1 1281 DoubleJ 2 0 1298 Axellgor 4 1 1256 Axellgor 4 1 1279 woxiangsinile 4 1 1222 woxiangsinile 4 1 1242 LifeStyle 4 2 1186 LifeStyle 4 2 1209 Huargensy 4 2 1183 Huargensy 4 2 1207 Pablobacas 4 2 1175 YJos 4 2 1205 PoseidonWrath 4 2 1174 shuiqing 4 2 1205 MonkeyDMathew 1 0 1172 Pablobacas 4 2 1205 lKillua 3 1 1169 MedichamZ 4 2 1201 YJos 4 2 1168 lKillua 3 1 1200 shuiqing 4 2 1167 ZioMOJI 4 2 1198 MedichamZ 4 2 1164 PoseidonWrath 4 2 1197 ZioMOJI 4 2 1162 MonkeyDMathew 1 0 1172 Mislandier 1 0 1095 YEYOxD 3 2 1131 YEYOxD 3 2 1086 NikhilR 3 2 1101 DarnellEK 1 0 1080 Facursa 2 1 1098 NikhilR 3 2 1073 Brumoso 3 2 1098 WarwitoX 3 2 1067 WarwitoX 3 2 1097 Facursa 2 1 1065 Aerun 3 2 1097 Brumoso 3 2 1054 Mislandier 1 0 1095 Aerun 3 2 1053 DarnellEK 1 0 1080 Badbaarsito 3 2 1048 Badbaarsito 3 2 1076 xSparkie 3 2 1023 xSparkie 3 2 1061 Onraider 1 1 1004 TheDH 3 3 1032 Azphiel 1 1 1001 Onraider 1 1 1017 branYT 2 2 980 Cali 3 3 1015 Forfiter 1 1 979 Azphiel 1 1 1013 DRIDRIGOFK 3 3 978 DRIDRIGOFK 3 3 1006 TheDH 3 3 976 ShanQi 3 3 1006 Cali 3 3 974 Tawla 2 2 1003 zMauri 1 1 973 zMauri 1 1 1003 AwaXGoku 1 1 970 AlphaxStriker 3 3 995 ShanQi 3 3 954 branYT 2 2 989 Tawla 2 2 950 Forfiter 1 1 983 AlphaxStriker 3 3 945 Wolfangt 3 3 981 Smadagos 1 1 943 AwaXGoku 1 1 979 Wolfangt 3 3 933 minaccia 3 3 972 minaccia 3 3 926 TehKharma 3 3 970 LeJovi 2 2 925 Imabetheverybest 3 3 969 TehKharma 3 3 924 Smadagos 1 1 967 Imabetheverybest 3 3 923 Umbramol 2 2 961 Umbramol 2 2 914 CHUCKunso 2 3 959 Bluebreath 3 3 913 Bluebreath 3 3 957 Gunthug 3 3 913 Gunthug 3 3 957 MadaraSixSix 3 3 910 LeJovi 2 2 956 ClayClover 0 1 907 MadaraSixSix 3 3 954 Evxsion 0 1 907 heichicoda 2 2 949 heichicoda 2 2 905 ClayClover 0 1 939 XxBehemothBladeX 0 1 891 Evxsion 0 1 939 CHUCKunso 2 3 889 Luke 2 3 938 Luke 2 3 879 Endiii 1 2 930 Endiii 1 2 870 XxBehemothBladeX 0 1 918 Filantropia 0 1 868 AngeloDLZ 1 2 906 xxLazaro 0 1 861 TohnR 2 3 899 Deffonotpachima 0 1 853 Wallarro 2 3 891 TheLpZ 2 3 852 Filantropia 0 1 887 AngeloDLZ 1 2 851 CarolML 2 3 886 CarolML 2 3 843 xxLazaro 0 1 877 TohnR 2 3 840 TheLpZ 2 3 874 Sargeste 2 3 838 Sargeste 2 3 871 Wallarro 2 3 834 Deffonotpachima 0 1 867 Queest 2 3 832 Queest 2 3 859 Sebat 2 3 801 Sebat 2 3 851 Mkns 1 3 799 Mkns 1 3 828 XueVoVmeI 0 2 777 iMat 1 3 827 qmanzanop 0 2 777 SweeTforU 2 4 801 iMat 1 3 776 RealDevilLegend 1 3 800 RealDevilLegend 1 3 775 ChronoRike 2 4 799 wickedwanga 0 2 748 XueVoVmeI 0 2 797 SweeTforU 2 4 738 qmanzanop 0 2 797 ChronoRike 2 4 737 GodXebec 2 4 793 Gabuchox 0 2 735 AkaruKokuyo 1 3 791 GodXebec 2 4 732 wickedwanga 0 2 790 AkaruKokuyo 1 3 725 Gabuchox 0 2 772 NecasInTrouble 0 2 712 Lunarck 1 3 751 Lunarck 1 3 693 NecasInTrouble 0 2 742 zLumiere 1 3 686 zLumiere 1 3 742 NagaHex 1 4 628 NoWall 0 3 688 NoWall 0 3 623 Juanchoqui 1 4 678 Titinn 0 3 614 Titinn 0 3 675 Juanchoqui 1 4 613 NagaHex 1 4 671 DarkQuiler 0 4 529 DarkQuiler 0 4 577 Zokuru 1 5 507 Zokuru 1 5 570 These changes will most likely not be effective for this psl season, but for the future please let me know if these adjustments are better or worse.

I don't know why this thread is called Movement Discussion when there is no discussion in 8 pages. Please rename the thread to PvP Suggestions & Feedback.

OVERALL (Not MVP) Over Used Under Used Never Used Doubles Little Cup DPP Rankings details can be found here.

Give us back Wobbuffet.

Wobbuffet would be perfect to beat Amoongus. We need cancer to beat cancer. Bring back Wobbuffet.

Spore is not the main issue on Amoongus, Regenerator is. Amoongus was Untiered with Spore. Amoongus is OU with Regenerator. Safety Goggles are nice and all, they will help slightly vs Amoongus, but they won't help vs what makes Amoongus an OU mon.

The thing is that it's not only stall. Balance runs Regen cores a lot. The problem is that when a regen core faces another we often end up in a deadlock situation where it's difficult to make progress. Amoongus will be able to switch into the opposing Mienshao/Amoongus with little risk involved. It's not the same situation as having Garchomp switch into Rotom or Rotom switching into Garchomp. Both these mons check each other and can break each other. Amoongus doesn't break Amoongus, they just look at each other and do nothing. On top of that, very few pokemons can switch in Amoongus since very few mons are capable to switch into Spore. Mandibuzz can, but hardly threathen Amoongus. Grass types can switch into Spore, but are instantly forced out because Amoongus coverage (poison/fire). Conkeldurr can switch into Amoongus if Flame Orb is already activated, but Amoongus will most likely win the encounter. The main answers are really Amoongus itself and Gliscor. This shows imo a serious degree of centralization. I'm singling out Amoongus here, but that mon is not the only one responsible for the lack of versatility we see in OU. We have other mons that are currently "too good not to use" and it's very concerning to see. Sure, you can run a team designed to break Regen cores, that's feasible, but that's not what people are doing, that's not the optimal strategy. People don't bring teams that break regen cores and why would they when they can simply stall out the opponents Regen Core with their own. Why would they deprive themselves of one of the strongest archetype when that archetype already has all the tools to wall itself? I was kind of indifferent about the PP nerf at first, but now it's more than clear imo that Regen cores are benefitting way too much from this. Not only did they gain value since their recovery mechanic remained intact, but they also gained a lot from the downfall of Reuniclus and Togekiss which were arguably the best mons to run vs Regen cores. Espeon, a very good mon vs regen cores was also massively hit by the recent addition of Mold Breaker Excadrill. After spectating tournaments, ladder duels and PSL matches, I believe there is nothing healthy about our metagame and it's not going to get better. Something must be done, but the issue is so much needs to be undone before we can even tackle this issue. We have the PP nerf to deal with, the timer exploit to deal with and the regen cores to deal with. We can't deal with everything at once and yet we can still expect more issues to arise with the upcoming Johto update.

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Oh I would love to elaborate, but that would mean you no longer have to go back and read what was already posted on the matter. That's no fun; revealing the spoilers without watching the movie, I would never do that to you Munya. Don't you worry, I'll wait for you to catch up and then we can discuss.

Is something going to be done about the awful state of the OU metagame?

i see what you did...

Don't you guys worry. By the time a decision is reached on Shaymin, Miltank Sap Sipper will be released for the Johto update.

tactics?!? @DoctorPBC

You can point out mistakes by saying: Hey I think person A with a score of 1-0 should definetly not be above Person B in the rankings because Reason 1, Reason 2, etc. I have no idea who you were refering to and it just seemed like petty trashtalk. As for the spreadsheet being locked, you can simply make a copy and everything will be unlocked.

dude i said i did it fast and there was probably mistakes... just tell me what they are instead of being a passive agressive nab

I renamed this thread and edited the opening post so everyone is welcomed to post their suspected bugs and errors.

Also, reminder that Overall = / = MVP. Those are two different things this season.

Rankings look like this so far: Overall OU UU NU Dubs LC DPP I did it fast so there might be mistakes. Please point them out if that is the case. Ranking details can be found here.