[[Unofficial] Shiny Existence Thread [5th Life]]

17 minutes ago, Jate said:

Thanks Mariah, long time no see. That's pretty cool, seems like its via hordes. Could anybody link me a thread about horde mechanics, or how to shiny hunt through them? Ive seen pics with big hordes but my first couple are only 3 pokemon

 

Certain hordes are 3, others are 5. Spots with 5s that come to mind are cinnabar mansion and it's basement, pattern bush or what ever that heracross spot is, and sky pillar. Try those places. 

12 minutes ago, RealLifeAngel said:

Yes I has seen that too, also been told that berry farming helps w/ finding shinies too, I suppose a specific type of berry & the use of the move "sweet scent" also apparently helps by attracting more Pokémon or something like that, idunno lol

 

but yes long time in need like 3 or 4 years lol

Sweet scent attracts hordes. Every time you use sweet scent it takes 5 pp from every Pokémon in the party with the move. Leppa berries restore pp. 

[[Unofficial] Shiny Existence Thread [5th Life]]

@Parke

[~30 Days to go until Unova]

6 minutes ago, BlizzardGG said:

i hope scizor won`t move up to OU otherwise i have to change my pvp tier 

Access to U-Turn/Bullet Punch and also Technician could definitely push it over the edge. I fully expect the thing to hit OU by usage. 

[~30 Days to go until Unova]

Just now, DarylDixon said:

don't think gengar and ttar will be ubers there are some pokes can stop em

I don't think they will either, I was talking about how they will be coming back to OU from Ubers where they currently sit. 

[~30 Days to go until Unova]

35 minutes ago, Matoka said:

What do you think the "Flavour of the Month" pokemon we'll be seeing left and right will be at launch and what set will it run?

I think Ferrothorn is without a doubt going to be the most popular new competitive pokemon. I'm sure there will also be hype for the return of the old Ubers, prepare for Gengar/Tyranitar/Salamence.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Aerun said:

 

Cannot believe you guys still play!

 

Please end my suffering 

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On 10/3/2017 at 12:21 AM, Champlooo said:

I legitimately love it, was pretty entertaining, intentionally and maybe unintentionally

Alright you weren't wrong that was pretty good. 

[Value Advice]

16 hours ago, HowLXG said:

 Does Hidden Power Grass affect the price of a Shiny Ninetales with average IV's?

I would say no

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These CC's mark the 1 year anniversary of CC. That's why the prizes are special. 

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52 minutes ago, Champlooo said:

AY BUT HOW YALL uguuS FEEL ABOUT NEO YOKIO IF U AINT GIVE IT A 10/10 THEN DONT BOTHER TBH

is that the jaden smith thing? looked pretty awful. hopefully its awful enough to at least be funny. 

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Stripper: any of you guys want a dance? 

Me: my friend tj does

 

a few minutes later 

 

TJ: you're the best Pokémon teammate I could ever ask for 

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Yo @Bestfriends. Me, @TJXD and @DiDi were thinking of you today. Got a couple pictures in NYC that you'll like. 

 

[Questions about the future Dungeons]

1 hour ago, Matoka said:

Considering it has already been stated Dungeons will be a source of legendary pokemon, is there an idea on how you want to handle the distribution of these legendary pokemon? when I ask this
more so mean in terms of their power levels, it seems safer to add in say Regirock than it does to add in Deoxys as Deoxys is a far more powerful pokemon for a plethora of reasons.
Are you taking the mentality of "Eventually we want all of them to be available" and simply have some put into Ubers, or do you plan for only a certain group of legendary pokemon, i.e. less super powerful ones, to be implemented through dungeons?

Uber legends are to be added the way Mewtwo and Rayquaza exist. The OP as fuck legendaries that will never be allowed in PvP and PvE will presumably never be permanently obtainable.

 

As for the first thing, I imagine they kinda want to trickle HA's in slowly. First because it gives them more time to make them work, and secondly because it gives pvp players something to look forward to in updates. It's not exactly unheard of for this game to change aspects of PvP like that slowly over the course of time through multiple updates.

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16 minutes ago, Draekyn said:

@Rigamorty after you take a shower

 

When I saw that you tagged me in a post immediately what came to mind was "it's going to be a picture involving hair" 

 

also you should've seen my sink after I shaved my face the other day, it basically looked like that 

[OU Tier Discussion Request Thread]

Did you ignore the rest of the post where I say that it's stupid to actually try to beat venu with milo because venu exists like mostly because it counters milo 

[OU Tier Discussion Request Thread]

42 minutes ago, Moetal said:

Can't beat giga.

252+ SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Venusaur: 96-114 (51.3 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

And Milotic has higher base speed, so in your "venusaur switches in on milotic" scenario, it could get hit by ice beam, then get KO'd by the next one because Milotic is faster. Granted this will pretty much never happen because lol offensive milotic, but saying "okay so a hard counter comes in on your thing, what do you do to regain momentum?" is a good question, and the answer lies in prediction, the rest of your team, and how much of your team your opponent has seen. One of the things about Venusaur is, the way its coverage works, most of the time you've got like a 2/3 chance of switching in on it correctly, because while say something like milo gets hit hard by giga drain, it's tickled by sludge bomb and hp fire. Same goes for switching in shit like Metagross, Flygon, Skarmory, Arcanine, etc kinda just went down usage and named things. But yeah, point being, when you're predicting a move from Venusaur, you've got the advantage on attacking moves, and that's not even regarding the fact that Venusaur is going to want to use Growth at some point.

Also what in the world would venu be suspected for? Offensive Uber? Seems like a super far stretch given the fact that it's pretty slow for a sweeper, requires set up, and is outclassed by other set up sweepers in the tier when it comes to the "you're fucked if it sets up" factor. 

[Value Advice]

4 minutes ago, HowLXG said:

Why is the Poli priced so high? I don't think it's that desirable tbh, and I'm pretty sure I've seen it's evolutions be sold for a lot less than that.

 

Wobb and Sableye are priced reasonably, I think.

 

Pikachu is priced a bit too high honestly, I've seen random shiny Pikas sell for 6-6.5M recently, so I'd lower the price to around 6.5-7M if I were you.

 

 

(Please note that this is entirely my opinion and I apologize if I'm wrong, I wish you luck with your store regardless)

To build on this, I have a politoed that I got for 11~ a few months back, and wag definitely isn't a 5m step up from toed for me since toed is the one thing in the species that actually looks good shiny. 

 

Sableye I've seen go for like 7 or less a lot because again it's easy to hunt in hordes 

 

wobbuffet i have no idea, and that's probably why you don't get offers for it because I doubt I'm the only one 

 

pikachu I put at like 5-6, but I haven't paid a lot of attention to pika lately so I could be off 

[Value Advice]

2 minutes ago, Imperial said:

Okay, I'm currently selling a Shiny Duskull (as mentioned in my trade shop). The IVs are bang average, someone levelled it up and it's a female -

 

Nature: Modest

OT: Squirtle

Level 20 (Female)

IVs:

HP 19

Attack 4

Defence 6

Sp. Atk 1

Sp. Def 9

Speed 13

 

However, the OT is @Squirtle. Basically this shiny was given as a prize for tourneys before shinies became tradeable, so the OT increases the price IMO. I personally value Duskull at around 20m+ (Had over 5 offers between 17-20m for it).

 

However, many of my shiny trading bois have been gone awhile. Any thoughts on values for this particular OT?

I traded my last shiny duskull for something like 6m + 2 flaming skull masks, and I valued that trade at about 17m at the time, so that's kinda where I put duskull. Although I sold because I had expected it to drop in value because it's an easily huntable horde Pokémon. 

 

As for OT squirtle I never really see people giving a shit about that (except for lolnoopkiller who will pay high for Lvl 1 OT squirtle pokemon) and quite frankly I don't see a reason too. Those prizes happened for a long time so they're not exactly rare to find, and any OT other than my own or close friends don't mean shit to me. 

 

So all in all, I put duskull at 17ish and expecting like 3m+ extra just because OT squirtle seems silly to me 

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10 minutes ago, cchiovitti527 said:

Seriously, I almost said 'a special fuck you' at work instead of 'thank you'

Hullo 

[how to add soul silver to pokemmo]

Heart gold and soul silver are only used for improved graphics/follower sprites. There is no Johto region 

[New Offical Metas/Tiers]

31 minutes ago, Senile said:

so, this shouldn't come as a surprise, but I highly disagree with like, a lot of this list. I'd go into UU/NU, but honestly, I barely looked at them because if the OU list is fucked up, it's basically guaranteed the lower tiers will similarly look twisted so there's not really much of a point.

so, normally, I'd go into this huge tangent about how deciding pre-emptively what will be in what tiers to determine temporary tiers is dumb and an absurdly bad idea (Because, yes, I think it is), but it obviously sounds like the matter is out of your hands, so that's kind of pointless.

So, realizing that, I would naturally go indepth onto which ones I disagree with, giving reasons and explanations for each individual one, but I realize that would be equally pointless. Why? Because it sounds like all of this was discussed internally, with internal information about what will and won't be in the update that most people (and certainly not me, since it's not like I've been keeping up with the content) know about, so there's a pretty good chance that some (but probably not all, just based on the quantity of disagreements) of my criticisms of the list won't really be applicable, because of information I straight up just don't know.

I really don't understand how anyone not on the tier council could provide substantial critique this list. As of right now, what do I know? Uhhhh, I know that the pokemon on the lists are almost definitely coming out, it's a safe bet that weather starters won't have permanent weather because Swift Swimmers are legal (also it'd be dumb), it's gen 5-ish, most if not all legendaries aren't coming, and SOME hidden abilities are being released, but I don't know which ones, although I can infer some based on the list. I dunno, maybe there's more information out than these tier lists and the bit I know/can infer, and I just don't know it because I haven't been paying much attention, but from the responses in this thread it seems most all of this information is internal, and just having these lists isn't very helpful.

With that being said, I'm going to cross out and critique the lists with some minor comments as to why I'm suggesting they be changed, since going in-depth will probably be wrong in some minor, or even major details. The point of the list is maybe you guys can "internally" re-analyze or look at some of the ones I suggest, I wouldn't recommend anyone point-by-point try and refute them, because some of it's probably wrong, but hey, you can't win them all. 

Also, one last note; I am assuming the reason most of the pokemon are in the tier they're in is because you're being reaaaaally conservative, based on some of the pokemon I'm seeing. I'm guessing a good amount of these pokemon you put in OU aren't really necessarily pokemon you guys think are OU, but BL as well. and well boo that, lame af cmon guys. Any ones I striked through I think should definitely be moved. Anyway, here you go:

 

To answer a few things to the best of my knowledge to clarify:

 

Good Defog is probably going to be a thing

 

Hidden Abilities will not initially be a thing (pretty common knowledge)

 

No perma-weather at all (as is already the case with sand stream) 

 

We're not really trying to predict usage, just placing things according to power at the moment, since we clearly have no usage to go by and we aren't psychic. So the things you say seem like BL, its basically because this is a huge BL tier list in the regard that we have no usage.

 

I think a lot of your "LMAO WHY IS THIS HERE???" comes from the fact that all of us on tier council are a lot more used to pokemmo than gen 5 (i personally barely touched gen 5 competitively) so shit like Medicham, Blaziken (although with a lack of infernape to 100% totally outclass it it looks not as ass), Milotic, etc just seem good to us because its hard to think they'll go from top tier OU pokemon in game right now to being not OU at all later on. Those are basically the kinds of things we wanted to hear from the community on the matter, so thanks. 

 

Also cloyster will (probably) get shell smash + skill link (as its not hidden ability, just a secondary) and that's fucking terrifying to me. 

 

EDIT: note that these things are just how we were told to consider them when building our lists, so they're presumably becoming a thing, but not guaranteed, so dont be mad if it doesn't all happen the way i said

[New Offical Metas/Tiers]

Just now, ykh9108 said:

Where is Rotom???

@Darkshade is actually satan and decided we won't be getting it until Sinnoh becomes a thing. ;_;7

[When will the new gen be released?]

1 hour ago, BadPiriPiri said:

Will they add the 6 and 7 or there will be a point on the game that the game doesnt update anymore?

Kyu once said something like "we'd go straight to gen 7 if 3DS roms weren't such a mystery" 

 

so we can probably assume that yes they'll try to go onto gen 6-7+ in the future. 

[New Offical Metas/Tiers]

Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. 

OU

Spoiler

 

Aerodactyl

Azumarill

Bisharp

Blaziken

Blissey

Breloom

Bronzong

Chandelure

Chansey

Conkeldurr

Dragonite

Dugtrio

Excadrill

Ferrothorn

Flygon

Forretress

Gengar

Gliscor

Gyarados

Haxorus

Heracross

Hydreigon

Jellicent

Kingdra

Lucario

Machamp

Magnezone

Mamoswine

Medicham

Metagross

Milotic

Pelipper

Porygon-Z

Reuniclus

Rhyperior

Salamence

Scizor

Skarmory

Slowbro

Snorlax

Staraptor

Starmie

Swampert

Togekiss

Tyranitar

Venusaur

Volcarona

Weavile

Yanmega

 

UU

Spoiler

 

Absol

Alakazam

Altaria

Ambipom

Arcanine

Archeops

Armaldo

Beartic

Bouffalant

Braviary

Carracosta

Charizard

Clefable

Cloyster

Cofagrigus

Crobat

Darmanitan

Dodrio

Durant

Dusclops

Dusknoir

Electivire

Emboar

Espeon

Feraligatr

Froslass

Gallade

Gardevoir

Gigalith

Golurk

Gothitelle

Hariyama

Hitmonlee

Honchkrow

Houndoom

Jolteon

Kangaskhan

Krookodile

Lilligant

Linoone

Ludicolo

Magneton

Marowak

Mienshao

Miltank

Mismagius

Nidoking

Nidoqueen

Porygon2

Rhydon

Roserade

Samurott

Sceptile

Scrafty

Sigilyph

Slaking

Stoutland

Swellow

Tangrowth

Tauros

Tentacruel

Torkoal

Typhlosion

Umbreon

Ursaring

Vaporeon

Venomoth

Weezing

Whimsicott

Zangoose

 

NU

Spoiler

 

Abra

Accelgor

Aggron

Aipom

Alomomola

Amoonguss

Ampharos

Anorith

Arbok

Archen

Ariados

Aron

Audino

Axew

Azurill

Bagon

Baltoy

Banette

Barboach

Basculin

Bayleef

Beautifly

Beedrill

Beheeyem

Beldum

Bellossom

Bellsprout

Bibarel

Bidoof

Blastoise

Blitzle

Boldore

Bonsly

Bronzor

Budew

Buizel

Bulbasaur

Burmy

Butterfree

Cacnea

Cacturne

Camerupt

Carvanha

Cascoon

Castform

Caterpie

Charmander

Charmeleon

Chikorita

Chimecho

Chinchou

Chingling

Cinccino

Clamperl

Claydol

Clefairy

Cleffa

Combee

Combusken

Corphish

Corsola

Cottonee

Cradily

Crawdaunt

Croconaw

Crustle

Cryogonal

Cubchoo

Cubone

Cyndaquil

Darumaka

Deerling

Deino

Delcatty

Delibird

Dewgong

Dewott

Diglett

Ditto

Doduo

Donphan

Dragonair

Dratini

Drifblim

Drifloon

Drilbur

Drowzee

Druddigon

Ducklett

Dunsparce

Duosion

Duskull

Dustox

Dwebble

Eelektrik

Eelektross

Eevee

Ekans

Electabuzz

Electrike

Electrode

Elekid

Elgyem

Emolga

Escavalier

Exeggcute

Exeggutor

Exploud

Farfetch'd

Fearow

Feebas

Ferroseed

Finneon

Flaaffy

Flareon

Floatzel

Foongus

Fraxure

Frillish

Furret

Galvantula

Garbodor

Gastly

Geodude

Girafarig

Glaceon

Glalie

Gligar

Gloom

Golbat

Goldeen

Golduck

Golem

Golett

Gorebyss

Gothita

Gothorita

Granbull

Graveler

Grimer

Grovyle

Growlithe

Grumpig

Gulpin

Gurdurr

Happiny

Haunter

Heatmor

Herdier

Hitmonchan

Hitmontop

Hoothoot

Hoppip

Horsea

Houndour

Huntail

Hypno

Igglybuff

Illumise

Ivysaur

Jigglypuff

Joltik

Jumpluff

Jynx

Kabuto

Kabutops

Kadabra

Kakuna

Karrablast

Kecleon

Kingler

Kirlia

Klang

Klink

Klinklang

Koffing

Krabby

Krokorok

Lairon

Lampent

Lanturn

Lapras

Larvesta

Larvitar

Leafeon

Leavanny

Ledian

Ledyba

Lickilicky

Lickitung

Liepard

Lileep

Lillipup

Litwick

Lombre

Lotad

Loudred

Lumineon

Lunatone

Luvdisc

Luxio

Luxray

Machoke

Machop

Magby

Magcargo

Magikarp

Magmar

Magmortar

Magnemite

Makuhita

Mandibuzz

Manectric

Mankey

Mantine

Mantyke

Maractus

Mareep

Marill

Marshtomp

Masquerain

Mawile

Meditite

Meganium

Meowth

Metang

Metapod

Mienfoo

Mightyena

Mime Jr.

Minccino

Minun

Misdreavus

Mothim

Mr. Mime

Mudkip

Muk

Munchlax

Munna

Murkrow

Musharna

Natu

Nidoran♀

Nidoran♂

Nidorina

Nidorino

Nincada

Ninetales

Ninjask

Noctowl

Nosepass

Numel

Nuzleaf

Octillery

Oddish

Omanyte

Omastar

Onix

Oshawott

Palpitoad

Panpour

Pansage

Pansear

Paras

Parasect

Patrat

Pawniard

Persian

Petilil

Phanpy

Pichu

Pidgeot

Pidgeotto

Pidgey

Pidove

Pignite

Pikachu

Piloswine

Pineco

Pinsir

Plusle

Politoed

Poliwag

Poliwhirl

Poliwrath

Ponyta

Poochyena

Porygon

Primeape

Probopass

Psyduck

Pupitar

Purrloin

Quagsire

Quilava

Qwilfish

Raichu

Ralts

Rapidash

Raticate

Rattata

Relicanth

Remoraid

Rhyhorn

Riolu

Roggenrola

Roselia

Rufflet

Sableye

Sandile

Sandshrew

Sandslash

Sawk

Sawsbuck

Scolipede

Scraggy

Scyther

Seadra

Seaking

Sealeo

Seedot

Seel

Seismitoad

Sentret

Serperior

Servine

Seviper

Sewaddle

Sharpedo

Shedinja

Shelgon

Shellder

Shelmet

Shiftry

Shinx

Shroomish

Shuckle

Shuppet

Silcoon

Simipour

Simisage

Simisear

Skiploom

Skitty

Slakoth

Slowking

Slowpoke

Slugma

Smeargle

Smoochum

Sneasel

Snivy

Snorunt

Snubbull

Solosis

Solrock

Spearow

Spheal

Spinarak

Spinda

Spoink

Squirtle

Stantler

Staravia

Starly

Staryu

Steelix

Stunfisk

Sudowoodo

Sunflora

Sunkern

Surskuit

Swablu

Swadloon

Swalot

Swanna

Swinub

Swoobat

Taillow

Tangela

Teddiursa

Tentacool

Tepig

Throh

Timburr

Tirtouga

Togepi

Togetic

Torchic

Totodile

Tranquil

Trapinch

Treecko

Tropius

Trubbish

Tympole

Tynamo

Tyrogue

Unfezant

Unown

Vanillish

Vanillite

Vanilluxe

Venipede

Venonat

Vespiquen

Vibrava

Victreebel

Vigoroth

Vileplume

Volbeat

Voltorb

Vullaby

Vulpix

Wailmer

Wailord

Walrein

Wartortle

Watchdog

Weedle

Weepinbell

Whirlipede

Whiscash

Whismur

Wigglytuff

Wingull

Woobat

Wooper

Wormadam Plant

Wormadam Sandy

Wormadam Trash

Wurmple

Wynaut

Xatu

Yamask

Yanma

Zebstrika

Zigzagoon

Zorua

Zubat

Zweilous

 

 

[New Offical Metas/Tiers]

25 minutes ago, Moetal said:

I'm more interested at what is going to be banned to uber.

New approach is trying to balance mechanics for the sake of nothing being uber. We'll see how that goes. 

 

Also we've been given permission to share the tier lists we've made for community input. I'll post those in this thread when I get home from work if no one does it before then.