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Implying smellingsalt is not competitive.

if by any chance omastar and magneton become that common, eq destroys them with the advantage of dealing some damage to rhydon, without relying on surf predicitons. (Still surprised eq isnt used more ofen)

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I can sweep OU with agility+ sd kingler yet it isn OU. Useless argument over there. Now, if gyara is solid OU and their roles are similar, if fera isnt weaker than gyara, than is also solid OU. You are making no sense.

Wait, first you said he is not complete material for OU. Gyarados is OU. Now you complain him not weaker than gyarados. Rip Logic.

meganium:UU Typhlosion:OU (cant believe this is discussable but ok) Feraligatr: OU (meh, a weaker gyarados, with slightly better sp atk and superpower)

well, gyara is a bigger problem than lax against fera.

fera: ddance, crunch, waterfall, hp electric life ball typhlosion is rly more versatil. U can use any charizard set (besides bdrum) or scarf/specs eruption

this sounds faker than a cabriole submarine. In 8 hordes there, 8 beautifly hordes, not even an horn seen. Great for special attack ev train but rip attack without leppas.

anyway back tot opic, for a good special wall, if u dont like chansey (Making me love you already) porygon2 should fit well in that team.

true, but in keep in mind that works if the opponent knows u are specially defensive, I would not risk my jolteon for a specs or life ball milotic.

no, my starting point is that jolteon doesnt necessarily fuck it, not that it isnt a good wall against it, cause it isnt.

well, thats subjective, milotic can also predict growth and use haze Edit: Also if u put hydro pump u can 2hko jolteon while he has small chance to ohko with +1 tbolt + life orb.

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true, but u use twave with the intention to paralyze, the same shouldnt be applied for bslam.(at least as literal as twave)

yeah, bslam paralyzes you, you dont attack, he does another bslam, u again dont attack, and he kills your gyara. Sry but still not a solution, and as I said in the earlier post, its out of your hands to beat that paralyze chance of lax.

Best discussion ever, still we need to get rid of this bslam on snorlax. Like gbwead said, that huge paralyze chance is not in your hands, you can´t do anything to stop it (No, lum berries are not worth most of the cases) Winning/losing by some factor that you can´t control is highly unhealthy. OHKO moves like fissure or sheer cold have literally the same chance of body slam paralyze and they are banned for a good reason. Despite bslam´s paralyze not being a decisive factor like those moves, it still is a huge problem in a pokemon with so many switches in like lax. Without bslam snorlax is much less rng dependant. And even there, lax has the stats to be a worthy pokemon for the meta, however without the pressure(too huge) on paralyze chance, the opponent has choices for checking and countering it like any other mon. So, unless u are willing to go 252 hp/def ampharos to not get paralyze, a complex ban on lax would be the best.

Absol counters defensive grumpig effectively well, but u didnt specify. Offensive grumpig is a thing.

yeah, careful raichu walls physical orineted mixed elctabuzz all day. also, grumpig is faster than absol and can ruin it with hidden power/ signal beam on switch

after reading last chapter, rip everything.

81 and 79

How much relaxed arca?

Well, in later handheld gens, its possible, and honestly, it is a great addition. Just set a fixed point each route, shouldn´t be hard. I´m on this.

44 and 50 plz