[Denied]Apply gift ribbon for a price, and 2 gift pokemon can breed without going RIP

[Shaniqualela]

1) Apply a gift ribbon to Pokemon of your own OT for a price.

2) Two pokemon of the same species and OT can breed without dying, producing a baby with a gift ribbon.

 

BUT SHANI THEN WE CAN CLONE LIKE CRAZY!!! NO!!

Yes, but only for yourself. Which I think is fair since you will only be able to everstone two natures at most, of one species, not an entire egg group. I think this is a fair trade off for breeding two pokemon in the new grind-heavy system.

 

If someone wants to dump money into doing this they would need to buy a total of four non-OT pokemon of most likely very high stats to be able to 'clone' pokemon of one species that would be un-tradable anyways

 

However, it should use a system similar to the old breeding.

 

What this would do--

Well, lets start with the con's of current breeding system:

 

1) Casuals/New players/People who dont know how to math HATE it (or so it seems)

• This would allow them to breed casually without setbacks.

2) Redundant breeding to change nothing except one move or just to have multiple's of the same ev spread

• You don't have to start breeding from scratch yet again, and gives a sense of completion/accomplishment.

3) Current breeding is grind heavy

• This will relieve the grind/sacrifice you have to make once you have 'completed' a pokemon

 

How this would effect the economy:

 

The first thing you might be thinking is "if i can pop out all the pokemon I want i dont need to trade for any, so rip economy"

• This is false, because you have to get to that point for a species. If you want to trade to be able to clone as many as you want, without any breeding of your own, it would take a total of 4 non-OT comp-IV pokemon of that species, which is more than most people have anyways. (2 to make each gender of your OT) Which will increase demand!

 

 

(this is a rough draft, I have to go to work now. Leave arguments/comments/opinions please)

 

things i know i didnt take into consideration yet: genderless pokemon 

(gift [comp] shinies are not OT so they wouldnt work)

egg moves would still require more work since you'd be limited to a pool of moves from two pokemon

Edited July 28, 2015 by Shaniqualela

[Darkshade]

The reason we decided to assign those gifts with a 'Gift' Ribbon is because they are intended to assist you with the storyline.

This is why we have added a renewable method to obtain each of them.

They're not supposed to be top tier competitive, and they're not supposed to be breedable/have any effect economically at all.

(Being untradeable does not mean something does not have any effect on the economy, as it has the potential to remove some desire/value from something which is tradeable).

Because they sit at a relatively low standard and cannot be improved/traded at all, or 'touched' in any other way, they don't have very much of an effect at all.

[Shaniqualela]

The reason we decided to assign those gifts with a 'Gift' Ribbon is because they are intended to assist you with the storyline.

This is why we have added a renewable method to obtain each of them.

They're not supposed to be top tier competitive, and they're not supposed to be breedable/have any effect economically at all.

 

ok then a different ribbon. the name of it doesnt really matter.

 

(Being untradeable does not mean something does not have any effect on the economy, as it has the potential to remove some desire/value from something which is tradeable).

Because they sit at a relatively low standard and cannot be improved/traded at all, or 'touched' in any other way, they don't have very much of an effect at all.

 

" If you want to trade to be able to clone as many as you want, without any breeding of your own, it would take a total of 4 non-OT comp-IV pokemon of that species, which is more than most people have anyways. (2 to make each gender of your OT) Which will increase demand!"

 

most people don't buy more than 1-2 of a certain comp to begin with. it's just meant to be a 'relief' to the grind after you have done a fuckload of breeding in a species, only for yourself. if someone is doing this much breeding chances are they aren't buying from other players anyways. only someone who is willing to invest into a pokemon heavily will even do this (dede on mareeps)

[SamuraiHunter]

what if we call it a breeding ribbon so it works for breeding and still cant trade

[Gilan]

It's too complicated... And Staff is way too focused on species rarity to even consider this.

[Shaniqualela]

>go to npc to buy ribbon
>breed and it won't die based on only 2 conditions

Idk what's complicated

Also, how does this take away from species rarity? You will still have to breed up from the new breeding system to get to this point

I guess technically you could just use the old breeding with this if you get two really good wilds, but I guess an easy solution is just change the rolls to live -7/+1 or something like that

It's too complicated... And Staff is way too focused on species rarity to even consider this.

>go to npc to buy ribbon
>breed and it won't die based on only 2 conditions

Idk what's complicated

Also, how does this take away from species rarity? You will still have to breed up from the new breeding system to get to this point

I guess technically you could just use the old breeding with this if you get two really good wilds, but I guess an easy solution is just change the rolls to live -7/+1 or something like that Edited July 28, 2015 by Shaniqualela

[Darkshade]

Changing the name isn't going to remove the economic implications, if that were the case we would rename money 'stabilization'.

 

Old breeding is not making a comeback, trading away the parents is a necessarily evil that exists to help stabilize the economy.

Evidently it's worth doing, as if it wasn't nobody would bother breeding.

 

 

 

Also, how does this take away from species rarity? You will still have to breed up from the new breeding system to get to this point

 

It takes away from species rarity because you're allowed to mass produce a rare species. 

Yes, it would then become untradeable but then it suddenly becomes incredibly easy for that particular species which is more difficult on the tradeable side.

 

 

 

I guess technically you could just use the old breeding with this if you get two really good wilds, but I guess an easy solution is just change the rolls to live -7/+1 or something like that 

 

The new breeding system does not use +/- rolls, it simply averages the remaining non-inherited IVs from the two parents.

 

We have no intent to split the breeding system in two, or in any way put together a 'work around' to bring back the old system.

 

EDIT:

 

We do however have plans to make the new system easier to understand, hopefully this should help new users to adopt it more easily than it's current rendition.

Edited July 29, 2015 by Darkshade

[bigbangattack]

[quote name="Darkshade" post="1107241" timestamp="1438121090" date="28 July 2015 - 11:04 PM"]
The reason we decided to assign those gifts with a 'Gift' Ribbon is because they are intended to assist you with the storyline.
This is why we have added a renewable method to obtain each of them.
They're not supposed to be top tier competitive, and they're not supposed to be breedable/have any effect economically at all.
(Being untradeable does not mean something does not have [i]any[/i] effect on the economy, as it has the potential to remove some desire/value from something which is tradeable).
Because they sit at a relatively low standard and cannot be improved/traded at all, or 'touched' in any other way, they don't have very much of an effect at all.[/quote]


Well darkshade I agree until I get that shiny casteform on an alt account one day

[Darkshade]

Well darkshade I agree until I get that shiny casteform on an alt account one day

 

Gifts can no longer be shiny.

[Choconical]

till this time i still feel the ribbon thing is the lamest thing ever that came to mmo lmao