DoubleJ Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So we've had a lot of discussion on Rhydon and I'm still clueless. On paper it truly is an absolute monstrosity. It can 2HKO every UU wall and can OHKO over 50% of the UU walls with proper prediction and a Choice Band. On the other hand though it has really been pretty bleh in tournament play. It hasn't been able to set-up Swords Dance and it hasn't really "broken" holes in teams to exploit. I think the meta has had enough time to adjust, so either players aren't willing to run the risks associated with Rhydon or Rhydon really isn't that uber. So discussion points: Rhydon can outspeed and beat every common wall the Under-Used tier has. It also punishes really any switch in with a risk for KO. On the other hand Rhydon cannot switch into anything outside of physical Normal and Flying attacks and is easily revenge killed by anything with speed greater than 101 and a grass, water, or special attack. So please, take a vote in the poll and state your opinion below. Link to comment
DrCraig Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 gbush sneaking in there Noad, gbwead, Robofiend and 2 others 5 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I used to think Rhydon was not going to break the meta, but it seems to hurt significantly stall teams to the point where they become unviable. Link to comment
Robofiend Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I also agree that Rhydon does a lot to invalidate stall. More importantly, it does a lot to invalidate balance and bulky offense as well - if your your whole team isn't above 102 speed, you stand a chance of getting nuked by one of its attacks. gbwead and DrCraig 2 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Looking for decision yo gbwead 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 I'm currently in discussion with Artemiseta and LeTyrone, our Overseeing member, about requesting a possible quick ban on Rhydon. If they approve this move, I will submit a request to the overseeing council to approve that a quick ban is appropriate. gbwead 1 Link to comment
Artemiseta Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 post it to put it up for discussion Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) *This write-up was designed to be posted after approval of a quick-ban by the Overseeing Council. [UU] Rhydon Rhydon has been heavily discussed since it was first introduced to UU a couple months ago. Initially Rhydon had very little usage and was having a difficult time finding a presence in this very offensive meta. As time wore on though this changed and players learned that Rhydon wasn't an outright sweeper, but rather a weapon to break walls. Its incredible attack stat, wall breaking speed, and extensive move-pool provided the perfect recipe to destroy a defensive core and open the road for other sweepers to succeed. With the ability to one to two shot every wall in the game, Rhydon has proven to be an offensive juggernaut with no safe switch in. Players facing a Rhydon were forced to predict right or lose a member of their team, and the only safe option was to build an offensive team to avoid being wrecked by this monster. With this in mind, Rhydon has put the UU tier in a choke-hold and has hindered the meta by breaking stall and crippling balance. This thread first observed Rhydon to see if it was banworthy under the Uber Offensive category, but interestingly enough it just couldn't sweep the tier with ease. It was easily revenge killed, and had major weaknesses to nearly any special attack and also physical grass or water attacks. After much discussion it was determined that Rhydon wasn't an offensive uber, but rather uncompetitive due to its support characteristics and/or unhealthy for limiting the tier in so many ways. Considering this, the UU Tier Council has requested a Quick Ban of Rhydon to bypass the one month waiting period that was instigated by the recent Charizard ban. With the approval of the Overseeing Tier Council, Rhydon has been quick banned from UU to Borderline. Edited September 21, 2015 by DoubleJ gbwead 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Really good text. Gj guys. DoubleJ and Zehkar 2 Link to comment
Robofiend Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 LeTyrone, our Overseeing member He's not an overseeing member but that's just me nitpicking Otherwise full support Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I'm not completely sure what happened, but the moving down of rhydon+dusclops should have been overviewed by the overseeing tier council before anything actually happened. At least that's how we did it with the first usage shift where medicham+blaziken+sceptile dropped below the OU usage line, but medicham and blaziken were decided to just be quickbanned without too much discussion, since they were clearly offensive uber. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 I'm not completely sure what happened, but the moving down of rhydon+dusclops should have been overviewed by the overseeing tier council before anything actually happened. At least that's how we did it with the first usage shift where medicham+blaziken+sceptile dropped below the OU usage line, but medicham and blaziken were decided to just be quickbanned without too much discussion, since they were clearly offensive uber. Zebra please, just vote. He's not an overseeing member but that's just me nitpicking Otherwise full support Robo, I'm tired of your shit =) https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/54048-pokemmo-tier-council-and-official-tier-policies/?p=1066981 Robofiend 1 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Robo, I'm tired of your shit =) https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/54048-pokemmo-tier-council-and-official-tier-policies/?p=1066981 Nah Joey, what Robo meant is that LeTyrone is an overseeing staff member, which means he runs the overseeing council, along with Noad and Darkshade. The overseeing members are Zeb, Art, Orange. Good write up, time to get this beast out of UU. Edited September 21, 2015 by NikhilR Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Nah Joey, what Robo meant is that LeTyrone is an overseeing staff member, which means he runs the overseeing council, along with Noad and Darkshade. The overseeing members are Zeb, Art, Orange. Good write up, time to get this beast out of UU. Yes I know nik, i was giving him shit for being a dumb dumb Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Not sure if this was made clear, but the UU Council is requesting the Overseeing council for a Quick Ban on Rhydon, in order to bypass the one month mandatory "no bans" period post-Charizard. So, if the Overseeing Council (Zebra, Art, and Orange) could just make a quick vote below we'd appreciate it, or if they need time to discuss it, just let us all know. EDIT: Sent a pm to the council, zebra's inbox is full. Edited September 21, 2015 by DoubleJ Link to comment
Noad Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Add me and I will add him Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Oh sorry I'm too popular DrCraig 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Add me and I will add him Done. Link to comment
Noad Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 JJ and Arte seem to have Rhydon under control for the time being but we would like to see this thing banned / announced that it will be staying by the end of the month due to some new changes we will be implementing. Updates nearer the time. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 JJ and Arte seem to have Rhydon under control for the time being but we would like to see this thing banned / announced that it will be staying by the end of the month due to some new changes we will be implementing. Updates nearer the time. Noad so slow =) I already announced the ban in the thread that was locked in comp alley. Link to comment
Noad Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Noad so slow =) I already announced the ban in the thread that was locked in comp alley. Eek no one told me, it still needs to be banned in game and the tier lists changed. Will get online and ban it now~ DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks noad! I'll update you in the future Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 >bluejim changing his vote to yes DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 Anyone else curious about these changes? Link to comment
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