I've been playing since 2012 so hopefully my opinion is seen as valid since I have seen the evolution of this game since near the start.
I tried talking about this last year, only to get flamed by the devs and supported by the player base, so I'm going to try this again in more of a "clear point" form to get to the "core issue" of why this is a bad idea, instead of just saying its a bad idea.
So I quit playing (and donating monthly) for the last year cuz I was told by your staff that instead of releasing Hidden Abilities you where going to instead force us to re-catch all of our already made pokemon in order to have access to the HA that would ONLY come from this "new special dungeon". In my mind, by not continuing to pay, I was removing my support... And when I mentioned this the vibe I got was that nobody cared that there was a large group of people who where upset about this and willing to stop paying over it.
I wondered if anything had happened in the last year or more so thats what has caused me to log in recently and talk to some of the mods, having the exact same results as I did previously the year or so before.
So to prevent us from going in a circle yet again I'd like to do this in simple point form so people can address the core issues of why this is a issue that upsets so many people.
I'd like to talk about this.
The points given by your staff are this:
1)
"This is a mmorpg"
2)
"we need content"
3)
"Can't give away everything at once"
4)
"We need a reason for people to play the dungeon"
5)
"You are not special, there are tons of people like you" (in response to being upset HA is being held hostage as a dungeon reward cuz you have no content)
Longest conversation and most recent conversation was with "matoka" and I am directly quoting him for the last quote.
Okay so these are the "main reasons" given to me by the mods when I talk to them about why hidden abilities have not been released in the game yet.
Here are my issues with this:
1)
Mmorpg's release a "core game" with no restrictions, then come out with expansions or DLC's for additional content. That is NOT what this game is doing when your releasing "broken" pokemon that are part of the core game. I say they are broken since "by design" you have chosen to not finish coding them to give them the hidden abilities, in alot of cases the pokemon no longer function properly without it, so there is non-working pokemon as part of your "core release".
I would say this is closer to "the sims 4" cuz there is the "core game" that lacked all the features of the orginal game that everybody loved to begin with. Then they released all those features everybody loved as dlc's and everybody hated it cuz it was supposed to be part of the "game itself" so it felt broken and incomplete without it. Thats how this feels, the pokemon feel incomplete and broken, yet they are actually in the game atm in this horrid state, in fact they have been like this for years.... despite actually being in the game, trainers and gym leaders ALREADY HAVE hidden abilities, this is "by design" being kept out of the game, "by design" having half coded incompletely pokemon that don't work due to being broken without their HA.
2)
First off if your releasing a dungeon and your self-admitting that its so bad that the only reason to go there is the HA pokemon, then maybe you should focus on creating content thats actually worth while instead of artificially creating "content" by holding back base parts of the game?
Your not creating content if your fixing a broken part of it. Finishing the coding on a group of pokemon you've refused to finish is not "creating new content" its holding a handful of pokemon hostage under the guise that its part of your "dungeon content". When I hear this, all I can think is that your dungeon must be beyond horrid if you can't find a better reason to lure players there then give them fully coded pokemon that should've been in the game years ago as a normal part of it.
If you have so little faith in your own dungeon "content" that without HA that "nobody would use it" then are you admitting now that its not going to be a fun addition to the game that people are going to want to do? I mean if nobody is going to want to do it if you didn't have HA pokemon there, then isn't that just saying the whole thing is unfun, boring and not worth doing? Maybe you guys should come up with a better reward system then using "finished coding of a pokemon thats already in the game" as "content"
3)
I touched this a bit above in 2 but the main point here is that if your releasing the core game you should either:
~a)
~Hold all HA pokemon back and release them exclusively in the dungeon
Or
~b)
~Finish the coding on the pokemon already released and find a new reward system for this dungeon.
Since you've already failed in doing a) that only leaves us with b). To release a pokemon, in half form, unfinished in its coding and then coming out with a "new version of it" that has its coding finish as "new content" isn't impressing anyone here. This is equal to the sims 3 releasing core game with kids then sims 4 releasing core games with kids dlc, your fan base is going to look at your like wtf are you thinking cuz its a extremely greedy and cheap and lazy way to "create content" out of nothing.
Cuz lets be honest here, it is creating content out of nothing, your refusing to finish coding and then calling the finished coding "new content"
4)
"Can't give away everything at once"
This makes me laugh. Cuz they act like this is all they have up their sleeve, if they give us HA "for free" (despite the fact it should've been in the game already) then they won't have any other content or anything else to release? If this is reality then I'm not sure what to even say cuz this is a sad state of things if this is true.
Why I think this statement is such a joke is simply cuz its already in the game.
Gym leaders use HA, trainers use HA, yet we can't cuz the game hasn't been finished coding to alow us to use them.
If all you have is HA, if HA is "everything at once" then this game is in a much much more sad state of affairs then I thought.
You guys have the entire world open to you, you could do anything, theres hundreds of great ideas out there and the best you can come up with is using something that should be in the game already as a way to lure people to use a feature you self admit they wouldn't use if you didn't have HA there as a lure?
I mean if your going to create content should you not be creating content worth a damn instead of holding key-parts of the game hostage in order to make your dungeon worth something?
I'd feel better about a dungeon that was fun to play or had a interesting reason to do it instead of being forced to do it in order to remake the pokemon I already own simply so I can have access to HA. I mean honestly who wants to remake the pokemon you already have just simply cuz you guys are greedy? I say greedy with no shame cuz the only reason I've been given as to why HA is not in the game is cuz you want to USE it as a way to make your dungeons worth playing cuz they would not be otherwise.
Guess what I'm saying here is that you guys could be doing ~Anything~ but instead you made the choice to hold game-braking parts of the game away from us as a way to "create content" instead of just simply creating great content people would actually want.
5)
Its pretty widely accepted that this is a bad thing, even "matoka" says it wasn't a good thing, trying to play like it was more of a neutral thing "not good or bad". Well we agree on one thing, its for sure not a good thing to release neutered half coded versions of pokemon that are broken and don't work properly, then hold their fully working versions hostage behind a "dungeon content" cuz you can't think of any other way to create content.
Legit you need a ideas man on your team cuz if you can't think of anything else, or see why this isn't a good idea, then you have no legitimate ideas.
I mean just throwing this out there but regional leagues would be pretty awesome cuz theres a large player base who dislikes the fact you keep releasing new pokemon and changing the pvp meta.
Personally I had alot of fun back when it was gen 1-3 so having a kanto league I think would be pretty rad cuz I honestly all I see is a power creep with the newer pokemon replacing older pokemon that would've filled the same role.
Riddle me this: once you release all pokemon what is the difference between this game and all the other pokemon pvp games? Not much aside of the single player, in fact I would say other pokemon pvp games would be BETTER cuz you can just make pokemon by selecting exactly what you want instead of being forced to grind for them or use them without hidden abilities in some half-braked version of themselves.
Really losing the charm of this game fast and I'm not sure if the devs even realize it when the mods don't take that feedback to the devs and when I post here I'm flamed and told thats how it is and how its gona be instead of taking this as legitimate feedback.
To be clear I'm not hating on new content releases, I think that you should want to release new content. I just think that refusing to program in half a pokemon thats already in the game, then releasing the fully coded version in a speical area only is super lazy to call "new content" cuz its not new content, its the same old content but properly coded and finished instead of left in a broken bugged version of itself cuz you think letting us use half coded pokemon is legitimate cuz.... you need content and can't figure out a way to get it any other way? You see how sad this sounds?
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greenspade
I've been playing since 2012 so hopefully my opinion is seen as valid since I have seen the evolution of this game since near the start.
Edited by greenspadeI tried talking about this last year, only to get flamed by the devs and supported by the player base, so I'm going to try this again in more of a "clear point" form to get to the "core issue" of why this is a bad idea, instead of just saying its a bad idea.
So I quit playing (and donating monthly) for the last year cuz I was told by your staff that instead of releasing Hidden Abilities you where going to instead force us to re-catch all of our already made pokemon in order to have access to the HA that would ONLY come from this "new special dungeon". In my mind, by not continuing to pay, I was removing my support... And when I mentioned this the vibe I got was that nobody cared that there was a large group of people who where upset about this and willing to stop paying over it.
I wondered if anything had happened in the last year or more so thats what has caused me to log in recently and talk to some of the mods, having the exact same results as I did previously the year or so before.
So to prevent us from going in a circle yet again I'd like to do this in simple point form so people can address the core issues of why this is a issue that upsets so many people.
I'd like to talk about this.
The points given by your staff are this:
1)
"This is a mmorpg"
2)
"we need content"
3)
"Can't give away everything at once"
4)
"We need a reason for people to play the dungeon"
5)
"You are not special, there are tons of people like you" (in response to being upset HA is being held hostage as a dungeon reward cuz you have no content)
Longest conversation and most recent conversation was with "matoka" and I am directly quoting him for the last quote.
Okay so these are the "main reasons" given to me by the mods when I talk to them about why hidden abilities have not been released in the game yet.
Here are my issues with this:
1)
Mmorpg's release a "core game" with no restrictions, then come out with expansions or DLC's for additional content. That is NOT what this game is doing when your releasing "broken" pokemon that are part of the core game. I say they are broken since "by design" you have chosen to not finish coding them to give them the hidden abilities, in alot of cases the pokemon no longer function properly without it, so there is non-working pokemon as part of your "core release".
I would say this is closer to "the sims 4" cuz there is the "core game" that lacked all the features of the orginal game that everybody loved to begin with. Then they released all those features everybody loved as dlc's and everybody hated it cuz it was supposed to be part of the "game itself" so it felt broken and incomplete without it. Thats how this feels, the pokemon feel incomplete and broken, yet they are actually in the game atm in this horrid state, in fact they have been like this for years.... despite actually being in the game, trainers and gym leaders ALREADY HAVE hidden abilities, this is "by design" being kept out of the game, "by design" having half coded incompletely pokemon that don't work due to being broken without their HA.
2)
First off if your releasing a dungeon and your self-admitting that its so bad that the only reason to go there is the HA pokemon, then maybe you should focus on creating content thats actually worth while instead of artificially creating "content" by holding back base parts of the game?
Your not creating content if your fixing a broken part of it. Finishing the coding on a group of pokemon you've refused to finish is not "creating new content" its holding a handful of pokemon hostage under the guise that its part of your "dungeon content". When I hear this, all I can think is that your dungeon must be beyond horrid if you can't find a better reason to lure players there then give them fully coded pokemon that should've been in the game years ago as a normal part of it.
If you have so little faith in your own dungeon "content" that without HA that "nobody would use it" then are you admitting now that its not going to be a fun addition to the game that people are going to want to do? I mean if nobody is going to want to do it if you didn't have HA pokemon there, then isn't that just saying the whole thing is unfun, boring and not worth doing? Maybe you guys should come up with a better reward system then using "finished coding of a pokemon thats already in the game" as "content"
3)
I touched this a bit above in 2 but the main point here is that if your releasing the core game you should either:
~a)
~Hold all HA pokemon back and release them exclusively in the dungeon
Or
~b)
~Finish the coding on the pokemon already released and find a new reward system for this dungeon.
Since you've already failed in doing a) that only leaves us with b). To release a pokemon, in half form, unfinished in its coding and then coming out with a "new version of it" that has its coding finish as "new content" isn't impressing anyone here. This is equal to the sims 3 releasing core game with kids then sims 4 releasing core games with kids dlc, your fan base is going to look at your like wtf are you thinking cuz its a extremely greedy and cheap and lazy way to "create content" out of nothing.
Cuz lets be honest here, it is creating content out of nothing, your refusing to finish coding and then calling the finished coding "new content"
4)
"Can't give away everything at once"
This makes me laugh. Cuz they act like this is all they have up their sleeve, if they give us HA "for free" (despite the fact it should've been in the game already) then they won't have any other content or anything else to release? If this is reality then I'm not sure what to even say cuz this is a sad state of things if this is true.
Why I think this statement is such a joke is simply cuz its already in the game.
Gym leaders use HA, trainers use HA, yet we can't cuz the game hasn't been finished coding to alow us to use them.
If all you have is HA, if HA is "everything at once" then this game is in a much much more sad state of affairs then I thought.
You guys have the entire world open to you, you could do anything, theres hundreds of great ideas out there and the best you can come up with is using something that should be in the game already as a way to lure people to use a feature you self admit they wouldn't use if you didn't have HA there as a lure?
I mean if your going to create content should you not be creating content worth a damn instead of holding key-parts of the game hostage in order to make your dungeon worth something?
I'd feel better about a dungeon that was fun to play or had a interesting reason to do it instead of being forced to do it in order to remake the pokemon I already own simply so I can have access to HA. I mean honestly who wants to remake the pokemon you already have just simply cuz you guys are greedy? I say greedy with no shame cuz the only reason I've been given as to why HA is not in the game is cuz you want to USE it as a way to make your dungeons worth playing cuz they would not be otherwise.
Guess what I'm saying here is that you guys could be doing ~Anything~ but instead you made the choice to hold game-braking parts of the game away from us as a way to "create content" instead of just simply creating great content people would actually want.
5)
Its pretty widely accepted that this is a bad thing, even "matoka" says it wasn't a good thing, trying to play like it was more of a neutral thing "not good or bad". Well we agree on one thing, its for sure not a good thing to release neutered half coded versions of pokemon that are broken and don't work properly, then hold their fully working versions hostage behind a "dungeon content" cuz you can't think of any other way to create content.
Legit you need a ideas man on your team cuz if you can't think of anything else, or see why this isn't a good idea, then you have no legitimate ideas.
I mean just throwing this out there but regional leagues would be pretty awesome cuz theres a large player base who dislikes the fact you keep releasing new pokemon and changing the pvp meta.
Personally I had alot of fun back when it was gen 1-3 so having a kanto league I think would be pretty rad cuz I honestly all I see is a power creep with the newer pokemon replacing older pokemon that would've filled the same role.
Riddle me this: once you release all pokemon what is the difference between this game and all the other pokemon pvp games? Not much aside of the single player, in fact I would say other pokemon pvp games would be BETTER cuz you can just make pokemon by selecting exactly what you want instead of being forced to grind for them or use them without hidden abilities in some half-braked version of themselves.
Really losing the charm of this game fast and I'm not sure if the devs even realize it when the mods don't take that feedback to the devs and when I post here I'm flamed and told thats how it is and how its gona be instead of taking this as legitimate feedback.
To be clear I'm not hating on new content releases, I think that you should want to release new content. I just think that refusing to program in half a pokemon thats already in the game, then releasing the fully coded version in a speical area only is super lazy to call "new content" cuz its not new content, its the same old content but properly coded and finished instead of left in a broken bugged version of itself cuz you think letting us use half coded pokemon is legitimate cuz.... you need content and can't figure out a way to get it any other way? You see how sad this sounds?
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