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"So placing some sort of grind requirement to get or change abilities is consistent with how the game works already." So grinding for money, in order to buy an ability pill, that is consistent with how the game works already, is somehow not? Your confusing the two here; I'm not saying ZERO grind requirements; an ability pill requires money and thats grind. I just think locking it behind something that people don't want to do - like myself - is really stupid. Not only does this gatekeep away from people who are new, but it also gatekeeps away from people who dont actually want to catch all pokemon and just want to pvp. Wild concept I know; but majority of the pvp scene isn't here to catch'em all; they are here to pvp; your ignoring this fact in this suggestion. "If other pvpers put in the work to be able to do it then why should a person with multiple incomplete characters be given a pass?" This is exactly why I think it shouldn't be put in the game; I dont think there should be a requirement to catch every pokemon in the game before your able to actually pvp on a serious level, its again gatekeeping people out of the pvp scene mainly new players who already have a hard grind ahead of them; why pretend they dont? Nobody is getting a "pass" if nobody needs to do this at all. If everybody can spend their GRIND money on an ability pill that COSTS GRIND MONEY than its no different than any other money sinkhole exchanging grind money for a item; they still need to grind and do something for it; its not a free pass; its not free; you gotta pay for an ability pill they are not free; you gotta pay for breeding braces they are not free; why you guys think these items are free cuz they dont cost 1.6m is beyond me. I think your honestly missing the point; "you need to grind for it" Why? HA should be part of the game, not withheld to create 'features" like this; it should already be in the game; pokemon should naturally have them; restricting part of the game is silly. "The fact that they became expensive is because people got greedy and wanted more than one for various reasons. " Wait what? You don't know about buddy with 10 variants of infernape? Why WOULDNT people want multiples of them? Are you daft? Every pvper is going to want like a minimum of 1 to 5 of these. The whole limited edition thing is by far the worst idea to ever happen here. Even worse than the orignal dungeon idea where it cycled pokemon each day, at least that way you had a chance to access them; anyone who missed that event has no hope of getting one outside of buying it and no forseeable event coming in the future; this sucks and to suggest it doesn't suck is bloody ignorant cuz all new players cannot get them, they missed the event, this is just bad game design.

Since nobody cares or listens to us in the suggestions forums here, I suggest you directly message this to Rache and Vukooo who apparently are in charge of overseeing the development of this. I feel like if we all message them personally instead of talking amongst ourselves in these forums, they might actually notice the problem.

Devs think its a "cool new feature" to make you remake and rebreed all 10 of those infernape variants. I've been complaining about this for 4 years honestly, its madness they are trying to withhold a part of the game to turn into this "feature" that really just means "everyone who has a pvp poke needs to rebreed it" It sucks big time and is probably one of the worst ideas to ever come to this game. I fully agree with you that there should be an ability pill you can buy from the same vendor to unlock it for pokemon who don't have it; I feel all other pokemon should naturally come with it, anywhere, none of this "alpha you need to breed into other pokes to get the HA" sillyness. Since nobody cares or listens to us in the suggestions forums here, I suggest you directly message this to Rache and Vukooo who apparently are in charge of overseeing the development of this. I feel like if we all message them personally instead of talking amongst ourselves in these forums, they might actually notice the problem.

1-2 days of farming gyms for a item they should be able to buy from the vendor for around the price of an ability pill? Oh I understand your angle now; you want something to farm so you can sell to newbs, without the newbs being able to access the thing your farming so they need to buy it off you. It all makes sense now why your being so ignorant and unreasonable; your greedy af.

Again you twist reality around to fit what you want to say. Buying a ability pill from the vendor is not "falling from the sky" or "free without any effort" you still need to grind for the money in order to sinkhole into the item to use the pill; its already a mmo grind sinkhole and doesn't require any of the extra bullshit your ignorantly going off about while ignoring everyone's valid concerns about what your sayin; instead of addressing peoples valid concerns you just strawman and honestly its very dishonest debating to be doing this. A regular pvp feature of the game should not be a "pvp reward" or "an additional feature of the game you have locked behind something" or "breeding into pokemon" all of these suggestions are just screwing around from what should be obvious; hidden abilites are not some magical special thing that some pokemon have and others don't; every single pokemon that could have a HA should have a HA cuz its part of what makes them them; to lock part of the pvp capability behind anything is stupid to me cuz it makes new players out classed by rich players and it makes old players have to redo their boxes in the current state with breed in HA. Nothing about this feels good. Nothing about this is "more mmo" than just buying an ability pill. It would be like locking pokemon moves behind your caught rate; why would that make sense? "Your blastiose is trying to learn hydro pump! But you haven't caught enough pokemon yet so screw you he cant learn it!" how would this be any different? You have a pokemon; they can't use HA without breeding or doing something impossible for the common player; this just creates gatekeeping for those who are able to do it; or forces players to buy overpriced HA versions of pokemon due to being unable to make them themselves... How is locking players out of content helpful for a mmo? The whole point should be you could grind for anything; not have things impossible to get for the common player so they need to buy one overpriced off someone else cuz they cant grind for it. Do you even play this game?

the way you twist words around to fit what you want really sucks. Did I say fall from the sky when I suggested they could buy it from the same vendor they buy everything else from when they spend 1.6m+ on a comp poke? If you think breeding a comp poke is "falling from the sky" than maybe actually go breed one yourself instead of buying them off other players, since you clearly have no idea what kind of effort goes into a 5x31 or 6x31 if you think they are "falling from the sky" If you think extra grind for the sake of extra grind is what makes mmos fun than your wildly out of line there too; people actually want to have fun playing; not re-grinding all the grinds they already did purely cuz the devs and you think it would be a neat feature to screw over our hard work and effort; this is effectively stealing grind from all players by forcing them to redo their grinds.

This idea sucks, its just gate keeping for older players cuz most new players wouldnt be able to get them, so they'd have to grind harder and "buy" a tradeable one? naw this idea sucks. Should be an ability pill you grab from the breeder vendor, so that old and new players alike have access to the same meta for pvp.

I mean.. I started playing again this past week.. did some pvp.. heard about the alpha pokemon and that restarted me coming back to the forums... I have a post last year.. and I have a post in 2018 also talking about this same subject; that forcing us to breed HA into pokes is a horrid idea and I quit in protest cuz 4 years ago they said "soon" and "2 weeks" so I figured it was coming alot sooner than 2022... but now that its here, its no less a bad idea. Why pvp here if I'm only interested in pvping if the devs think forcing me to rebreed my whole box is a "cool new feature" - miss me with that crap.

Yeah thats how I feel too, dozens of pokemon, multiples of each.. and they expect me to rebreed them all in order to get HA? Its bloody insanity, I don't think they are even thinking about the amount of grief they are causing their players.

Yeah thats what their goal is; to screw all players by making us rebreed our pokemon in order to get HA on them. I complained about this 4 years ago and honestly mostly stopped playing, pretty saddened to come back to see what they've done with the game. They said "soon" 4 years ago so I quit.. been checking every year since.. and looks like they gave up on the daily rotation dungeon they planned on doing to release these HA pokemon and are doing limited special events, with none in the forseeable future.. so these ha pokemon "alphas" have hidden abilities but regular versions of the same pokemon do not; they screwed us.

I think this idea sucks big time. I think its a way of gatekeeping that would prevent newer players from being as competitive in the pvp scene. I feel this is punishing players who do not enjoy the "capture every pokemon" goal or quest that some people adopt onto themselves. I feel this would be punishing players who just want to focus on pvp. I feel this would be punishing players who want to have multiple characters since it would force them to spend all their time and investment onto one in order to "be able to do what everyone else can do and get the hidden ability pill so they can be on the same playing field as other pvpers" Honestly this whole alpha pokemon thing feels bad. We should just have a ability pill, like for common abilities.

Yeah I agree it sucks big time they are trying to use HA as a "feature" to force us to breed pokemon with HA. It would be great if they could just add it as a pill instead of this "alpha" pokemon nonsense. I said it 4 years ago before we had this and I'll say it again now; nobody wants to rebreed their pokemon to get a HA in them; a item; even if only gained as a reward from a dungeon would be a billion times better than what they have planned with forcing us all to rebreed our pokemon to get HA.

I agree it should be added to the dex. However all pokemon don't have hidden abilities outside of gym leader pokemon who all have their hidden abilities and "limited edition event pokemon" called "alphas" that have HA that you would than need to breed into your comp pokemon in order to have that HA on your pvp pokemon. So for older players like me with dozens of pokemon and maybe 5 of each with different builds its actually a huge nightmare and alot of grief to think about remaking your entire box to rebreed in HA pokemon, this is probably the worst feature in the game.. So your bulba doesn't even have his hidden ability, unless you get a special bulba from a limited event and breed him into that bulba... and theres no special event in the forseeable future with more of these "alpha" pokemon so basically your shat out of luck if you want to get one yourself... the whole concept is badly designed and thought out. Really they should be adding it as a pill or something you can change your pokemon you already have; making you rebreed your pokemon for this is honestly just a kick in the nuts, it feels really bad.

Honestly I really dislike the way they added HA in a way that forces you to get a "alpha" limited addition pokemon and rebreed it into your pokemon that you probably have 5 of already. This whole thing just seems like its punishing old players into regrinding their boxes and punishing new players cuz they don't have the resources to actually get alpha pokemon or properly breed one up to a pvp tier. I'm hugely unimpressed about how HA is only able to be gained via breeding, its feels really bad and is exactly how bad I predicted it would be 4 years ago. No reason for this honestly; could have HA with a pill and I whole heartedly believe that would be a better feature than having HA locked behind events that "who knows when the next one will be" with none in the foreseeable future, locking a normal common game feature behind a limit edition wall is just silly, we are really pretending like all the other pokemon just simply don't have their HA cuz the devs thought it would be fun to force us all to remake our pvp pokes? I'm honestly choked about this and have been going off about how much this sucks since 2018 when they suggested this crap idea of turning a part of the game into this "feature" Now if there was a dungeon and you finish it and at the end it asks you "what pokemon do you want to be blessed by the alter" and you put your pokemon on the alter and you gain a hidden ability; I'd be all over that cuz you wouldn't have to rebreed your pokemon. I'm 10000% aginest having to use HA pokemon rebreed into the same pokemon you have 5 of to remake all the pokemon you already have instead of just applying this to a pokemon you already have like an ability pill, or a reward for getting through a dungeon.

Cuz HA are not naturally on pokemon in this game. They added a "feature" that made HA only on new event pokemon they call "alphas" So if you want a pokemon with a HA you need to get one from that limited event that noone knows when the next one will be with no plan in the forseeable future for one, than you'll have to rebreed it into your over pvp pokemon, basically rebreeding your entire pvp box. It honestly sucks so bad. But this guy has a good suggestion, if it was a pill intead of a breedable pokemon that would remove alot of player grief.

I did check the game; this whole "alpha released pokemon on limited events, but theres no event in the forseeable upcoming future" is total crap. Having to rebreed your pokemon cuz you need to breed in a hidden ability is total crap. Still no "dungeons" in the game that was supposed to have rotation of daily HA pokemon you could farm.... I can't believe I'm acutally saying this; but that would've been better than what we have now cuz at least you could get a HA pokemon outside of trading... but you'd still be screwed to breed it in and the breeding it in part is the problem. Why can't we just have a pill like normal abilities? Why force players with dozens of pokemon, with multiples of each, to remake their pvp boxes as a "feature" ? The only interesting thing you said was the copyright issue with slush rush, that was one of the first things I noticed that it was "snow plow" So they can use the names for all the other abilities but not slush rush? Is there a thread you can link me to read more about this? I'm curious about the legalities, what the issue is with these and why others are okay.

So it actually happened? I been complaining about this for the past 4 years now.... To be honest, I quit the game cuz the idea of remaking my entire pvp box that I've spent years making just didn't appeal to me purely to get a HA. I really like your idea; there is no reason why HA should be all this bullshit and rebreeding, legit it should just be a pill or a usable item. Legit all this is doing is punishing players and causing them to quit, like I did, I've barely played in the past 3-4 years cuz I felt like my entire box was a waste and making anymore new pokes would be a waste cuz apparently "I needed to wait for them to release dungeons and rebreed all my pokemon with HA to remake them all with HA" honestly who wants to do this? Who is this a good idea for? This is trash.

Still not in game, this is insane.

Have you heard, hidden abilities are coming *Soon* They said so 4 bloody years ago, it must be true.

4 years later still no access to them despite them being in the game for at least 4 years now.

I'm back in 2022 complaining yet again about the same 4 year old issue that still hasnt been fixed. The same 4 year old "soon" dungeon that still is not in the bloody game. The same gym leaders who get to taunt us with hidden abilities on their pokemon; but we have them locked cuz the devs hate us.

Four years later and beartic is still in bad shape, no slush rush OR swift swim but they gave him "snow plow" that has the same effect as slush rush, but isn't called slush rush... cuz screw me and this whole thread? Barely playing now, been using other pvp communities if this one isnt coded properly and the devs want to withhold content to "make new content" Bloody silly to me the game is still left in this state..... Gym leaders all use hidden abilities; they are coded in the game; but we can't have access to them cuz they want to make some dungeon that still isnt out 4 years later? Mind boggle'n. Its next year, its your turn to complain about this

Like I'd rather see them give a way to grind cash shop points through the dungeon, cuz I mean you can buy things from other players but it would be nice if you could earn your own cash shop points. That would be a super valuable thing that people could grind for and would grind for, I think you could see people repeatedly doing dungeon all day for days grinding to try n get what they want. At that point its universal, you could grab anything you wanted if you had enough points. I'm just spitballing ideas here but withholding hidden abilities so it can be added to a part of the game that never existed to start with is a extremely bad idea when there is many other alternative options. I've got over 2000 hours in the game at this point (my sig is old) and honestly it really just sap'd the energy out of me continuing to play to know that all comp/pvp pokes I make will have to be used as breeding material later.. Its like every pokemon I ever meet won't ever be good enough to use till these hidden abilities come out, than what, now every breeder has to work harder to complete orders by finding some special dungeon only pokemon that only spawns on a particular day? This whole thing is silly, theres over 600 pokemon in the game and your telling me that your gona cycle them what, daily? 85 different pokes a day somewhere in this dungeon? This sounds like a spawn rate nihgtmare, you'd have to chop them up into different zones spawn diff pokes but even than, you'd need what, 8+ zones? And at that point your what, gate keeping hidden abilities of some pokemon in the last zones away from the community who might not make it that far or forcing them to pay a premium to get someone else to do it? The more I think about it (from a dev/game design point of view) the more it seems like a really bad idea. Dungeon could be great but it would be nice to see some real rewards, even minor versions of cash shop items that last a day to a week instead of a month could be cool rewards. or grinding points you could exchange for things in the cash shop like the HM flutes. I mean you could always buy this stuff with in game money, but I feel like having the ability to farm the materials yourself would be good for alot of players who would rather do it themselves, having a dungeon to do that would be awesome... think battle points but for cash shop items, maybe different versions of cash shop items that are locked to player and don't last as long.. could even make it so the cash shop items you buy like the HM flutes disapear after a month forcing you to hit the dungeon again if you want it for another month without actually buying it, if you bought it with a new point type like battle points, than people would need to grind a number of dungeons depending on what they wanted much like battle points. <-- this would be great imo.

Yeah like I don't care about the vanity shit.. I'll be real, I've put real legitimate money into this game and had zero problems supporting this game for years. But I quit in 2018 cuz the response to adding hidden abilities was so lame, I gotta wait for dungeons AND use all my comp pokes as breeding materials for these new pokes I need to hunt down? The whole thing is absolutely silly. Make a dungeon but give us something rewarding from it instead of punishing the entire community into forcefully remaking all their pokes. Just really pisses me off cuz they are so lazy they can't think of anything better to have as rewards? Like sheeet just let them earn something that doubles shiney rate and is locked to your person and everybody would be grinding for it, have it only be good for a day or two and everybody will be repeatedly doing your dungeon... But it might reduce costs of people buying shiney increase with real money so they won't do that... I can think of dozens of other things that would be useful rewards without withholding hidden abilities. I fear this game that I tried to support and invest into, just became more focused on making money than actually finishing the game by finishing the pokemon's hidden abilities... like they are in the game, some enemy trainers have them so its really bothersome to see that its there, its coded to be there, they are just making the CHOICE to withhold this part of the game from us cuz they view it was part of their "feature" that is dungeons. Like if you wana create a new feature; cool. But don't take part of the game away and call it a new feature. Legit they told me last time if they released HA's than they wouldn't have anything else to release for feature and that wouldn't be good... like isn't that the whole bloody point? Finish all features in the game so that we have a completed thing and THAN add something new like dungeons as a new feature.... people want to play a finished game, nobody cares if the dev's don't have a feature to work on, thats the whole point of being a dev, completing tasks and moving past them... not saying "we can't complete these tasks cuz we need tasks to work on, so we're going to withhold these parts of the game so we can have tasks to do" its bloody silly as hell and kinda pisses me off that this is an actual choice they made.

Big disagree, I think it would increase the amount of pokemon used in other tiers instead of the majority of pokemon being in a junk bin of never being used. I don't care of your disinterested in the matter, thats great, go away instead of screwing with me cuz "I actually do care" about this, its been 3 years and it bothers me alot that a large chunk of pokemon are not usable in todays meta due to this. I feel like it would widen the meta, whats the problem with more choices? I mean we got both blissy and chancy in overused atm, I'm sure even if beartic got added to overused (and I doubt that even with his HA) he wouldn't "displace or replace" something else, it would be another option, another thing people could do. Like sheeit I'm using kabutops atm with kingdra for their swift swim, even tho kabutops isn't overused tier it still does fairly well there.... thats the whole point with beartic, altho he might not make overused tier, he could still do fairly well there if used correctly... but without his HA there is no possibility of that happening, along with alot of other pokemon in the never used box. Maybe your too dense to see the point I'm making here but the majority of pokemon are in the never used box, I think anything we can do to take more pokemon out of that never used box and back into general play is a good thing. Having the meta selection limited by inactive hidden abilities, again, limits the selection of viable pokemon, again, I'd use beartic without a 2nd thought if he had swift swim, I already have a 5x31 built from back in 2018 but without swift swim he just sits in my unused box, not getting the love he deserves or could have. Plus lets not pretend like this dungeon idea is good. Your tryna tell me that my 5x31 beartic needs to be used as breeding material purely cuz hidden abilities are exclusive to pokemon from this dungeon and won't be enabled for all pokemon? <- This is very upsetting to know that my entire box of pokes will need to be remade in order to have what they should have naturally anyways with their hidden abilities. No part of this experience has been fun or has expanded the meta, in fact, its been frusterating to deal with the limited pokemon selection "I'd use this, but I cant cuz its missing its hidden ability so I cant do what I wanted with this poke anymore" is a very real thing, it limits the selection of pokes that could be used in comp pvp and limits the meta to the point where there is alot of people using the same teams or combos of pokemon cuz theres legitimately no other choice to get the goals they want due to the limited selection.