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I know someone who wanted to use it.

Kings Rock is banned.

I'd argue that Dugtrio is not amazing right now. There's a lot of ifs on whether it can trap and kill things right now, look at the OU tier. On a great day it can trap more or less around 18 Pokemon, That great day includes, being switched in safely, that Pokemon not being under any sort of boost, and maybe having the right tools to deal with said Pokemon. However on a bad day, you cannot risk switching in directly, it cannot trap and kill weather boosters so -3 mons to that list Speed boosters and Scarf users require you to have a scarf of your own which means you miss out on KOs to other things and even then you may not be able to RK in some cases (Cloyster, Haxorus), you have huge 4MSS so you may be able to beat certain things but become dead weight against others, you may end up being set up bait for stuff like Mence after killing something. It's good if you need a "I specifically want to remove this particular thing" but outside of that it feels mediocre specially without sash, I could be wrong but so far my personal experiences and looking at the tier list it just feels meh. Using future implementations is confusing to say the least, this patch took almost a month to come out. Who knows when the next one will come out? Should we include Xatu in B+ Rank because the Hidden Abilities patch will come out in the future? Garchomp to S? Of course this is exaggerating but we barely have data on the metagame that started out yesterday so we shouldn't assume how things will look on a future patch. Touche, it just has more checks, my mistake. Thunder Wave spreading should be going the way of the Dodo, it's just not good anymore, Gunthug took it behind the barn and shot it in the back of its head. But anyways that's a niche set I'm sure if I had access to the usage % of Gyarados sets Dragon Dance would be on around 95% of them. On paper Cloyster is really really good, in action however it can't really set up on that many things, if it's a special attacker then you're very likely not going to want to set up on it, Its physical bulk is impressive until you realize that it's uninvested so you take a good amount of damage from strong physical attackers, Physical walls that may not damage you much like Hippowdon or Skarmory can just phaze you away. Your weakness to Rocks also reduces your chances of sweeping for too long and safely setting up. It is good when set up, absolutely, however it requires quite a bit of support and good momentum in order to successfully set up, on top of that it still has the 4mss problem, and can be revenge killed by some priority, You mention it can hit pretty hard without setting up however if your opponent switches a hard check to it on that turn, then you're less likely to be able to set up a later turn due to the damage you may have taken by the incoming attack you switched it into, and maybe hazard damage. And I don't want to start with its vulnerability to status. Due to all these reasons I think it shouldn't be S rank and maybe not even A+ rank. It's still too early to say. The tier discussions were added to discuss the game in general and maybe nominate something for a ban if that thing was clearly too strong(I was afraid of Wobb but it ended up being pretty mediocre) , it was essentially protocol. Thankfully nothing was too strong and the only nominations we got were Skill Link Mamoswine and Volcarona by a person who until recently thought Stealth Rock was for nabs. Viability rankings however are there to guide people into the tiers, not solely discuss them and right now there's not a stable enough metagame to rank things, specially since we're including things from future implementantions for some reason. It may do more harm than good to an unexperienced player who could blindly make a Dugtrio because it's S tier and then not quite understand how to use it.

These are supposed to be used so players have a general idea on what to build around and prepare for. You list Sash on Pokemon like Dugtrio and Cloyster as if it's implemented. Mention Hydreigon having no counters, which would be true if Draco Meteor was in the game, then there's wording on certain things that just leave me thinking ??? Oh, Gyarados has the option to run DD? It's its standard set, Pelipper should be run in the rain? Pelipper IS the rain. Duggy listed on S. I agree Duggy 's niche is amazing, but right now without Sash it can barely switch into things and if the opponent has priority it has a hard time taking that hit, it can't revenge kill speed set up sweepers unless it runs Scarf and it doesn't pack a big enough punch to break past defensive set up sweepers. Right now however without sash and a proper understanding of how hazard control works (in a weird meta with defog and no magic bouncers) it's far too early to stick it on S. Cloyster in S. If set up it's scary as hell, you mention its 4MSS as a problem but you also don't list that it's kinda hard to set it up right now, and if your opponent has a hard wall to its set then it's not gonna get a second chance to set up. S rank should be reserved for things that shape up the metagame entirely or that can be put on any team and work just fine (like Conk/Scizor/Reuniclus) Overall I think it's a solid list, but at this point it's pure theorymoning it's far too early to make this thread, there's a ton of stuff not implemented, the patch just came out a day ago so people who are just starting to get used to playing against certain things now have to deal with a whole new barrage of powerful Pokemon and new moves. It's a confusing move to new players to say the least.

Dragon Pulse's tutor is also missing i sense a conspiracy

This. Scizor is possibly the safest Pokemon to breed at the moment. Effective on the grand majority of teams and is pretty versatile.

0 atk 0 speed 0 evasion, let's go

The 2000 RP advanced version should turn the pokemon you mail into gifts The 3000 RP master version plays an animated cutscene of Kyu sharting on your character's face whenever you send mail. On top of that you'd need two (or three) for each character in your account.

Oh I thought you meant the game should recount which votes go to which language my bad.

Even with the fix it can be kinda abused. Let's say I dislike a person, let's call them Nermal and let's say my whole Team hates them too, we could all agree and insta-vote Nermal to be stuck in the Abu Dhabi channel that way they cannot communicate with anyone who has that channel blocked.

Prone to abuse but seems feasible.

10k plis es todo i have xDD

Auto filter words like "hola" "ayuda" "vendo" to stick Spanish speakers in ES chat and seal them for a week without any chance of switching back if they use them in EN.

this is currently happening by the way, if anyone still wants to join

whens johto

nah use torkoal

I mean Poison Heal Breloom still tends to work like normal Breloom except he can heal through sandstorm damage and doesn't mind scald, he's far from useless without an ability unlike say Cloyster he's more on the "useable but kinda shitty" tier like Mienshao.

kyu should change his name to homura because i think he's destined to eternally suffer

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No focus sash makes it very vulnerable to scarfers/priority and can't boldly switch into many things it may want to trap but yeah Orange has it right.

Because it's a slippery slope. Should Technician-less Scizor be UU since it has infinitely less usage than Technician Scizor? (Let's assume it works atm for the sake of this example) I'm sure everyone who has been using and playing against Scizor since the Unova release would say "fuck no" to that. Now that'd add the extra mile of not only relying on usage of certain mons to tier them but also on the usage of their abilities and it's just a clusterfuck. Add the extra slope of "what if we allow STAB less, technician less Scizor in NU" for extra fuckery.

Ok Speed Boost Blaziken is allowed but only if it uses Scratch, Agility, Focus Punch and Ember and also holds an Lagging Tail, has 69 evs in speed and is also shiny.

Yeah let's intentionally remove a pokemon's entire competitive value by getting it insta-banned just to have a nice PVE sweeper, that's a good idea and won't make anyone who spent good time and money breeding said mon upset.

100 BP at best i think

The only non-working moves that aren't banned are the ones that don't heavily affect the game. Quiver Dance and Dragon Dance are working properly and don't rely on luck.