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MMO- bro showdown - No mons allowed, both trainers fight against each other. All moves allowed.

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Arbok does the exact same but better

Perfectly Fair. As all shinies should be.

Defensive Rapidash can switch into and beat p2 with toxic. @gbwead

1/3rd of the tier beats conkeldurr 1v1 (With reliable sets) By 1v1 I mean none are switching against each other.

I addressd this in the earlier post, after you posted. That is not really a argument because several other Pokemon, if saved, can effortlessly sweep under the same circunstances just like conkeldurr does.

This makes no sense. If a 5v6 where Conk is not coming and where the player with 6 mons doesnt win, why is this a discussion for Conk? Seems more a discussion for whatever People use along with Conk. You are putting too many variables on conks to sweep. You are assuming you can switch in against everything Conk has to switch out, which you cannot. Let me ask you this. Lets ignore Conkeldurr and focus on reuniclus for a while. Let´s also assume you wait with reuniclus until stuff like hydreigon, scizor and tyranitar are down. Then you come in, calm mind and sweep, how is this any different from what you are trying to achieve with Conk? Let´s assume you save a sniper kingdra until chansey/Blissey are gone. Then you come in, focus energy and destroy everything in its path. How is it any different? This same argument can be used on too many pokemons in the tier. IF what you say is true, if people can indeed switch against everything people throw vs Conkeldurr, then this should be a discussion about those things and not about Conk itself. Also, you seem to be assuming people can´t run more than 1 check for Conkeldurr, which also doesnt make sense. If you take the 39 Mons out of OU, and choose 6 completely random, odds are you have at least 2 of them that beat easily Conkeldurr. If people choose not to run Pokemon that beat Conkeldurr, when there are actually a lot, I feel people want to be slapped by Conkeldurr. If out of 39 Mons, people choose 5 or 6 that cant defeat Conkeldurr when like 15 of the tier can, that´s bad teambuilding.

If conk is waiting, its a 5v6. If its a 5v6, unless one of them is an idiot, the player with 6 Pokemons should win.

Cofagrigus helps a lot against conkeldurr, mienshao, scizor,metagross, lucario, snorlax. It can haze top used set up mons like salamence, and it can also toxic spikes. Saying cofagrigus is seeing light of day just because Conkeldurr is kinda untrue at this point.

Fair enough. However, I dont think psychic is bad on starmie cause psyshock can+t 2hko chansey either. Both are viable imo. By pressure hard enough, I mean this. 252+ SpA Life Orb Salamence Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Conkeldurr: 199-235 (93.8 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO Dragonite makes it similar. And it can hurricane too. And finally, on a specs chandelure, I believe overheat > flamethrower, mostly because a specs chandelure isnt sweeping anytime soon. Low speed and too many things countering locked flamethrower makes, imo too, overheat a better choice. I actually also believe Conkeldurr punishes pure offense more than Stall for the reasons you said earlier. Thus I have no idea why people claiming it beats stall. Balance seems to do just fine, however.

1- life orb darma does. Psychis starmie does. overheat chandelure does. Most draco meteors pressure it hard enough. Acrobactics with flying gem as well. Also, why is this conk 252 hp 228 spdef.

This is wrong. People don´t run 2 fighting types these days. Also if they did, then it would be even harder for them to switch against stuff, which contradicts your argument of conk is able to come back everytime it pleases because its godly made team switches into everything.

Also, tentacruel is OU. Just saying.

With that logic, Reuniclus is uncounterable as well. Where´s the ban?

Ppl be like: No man, Queen is garbage, conkeldurr also has eq which destroys it. EDIT: Weezing is also able to counter it, and that thing was OU not long ago.

All I see is kingdra subbing on mantine, focus energing on the switch, agility as it loses the subs, and then 6-0 with draco meteor (Providing it doesnt miss) Can we ban kingdra yet? Secondly, ppl should start learning what checking and countering means. From what some posts I have read, some have no idea and still are commenting. Third, I said before and I will repeat, conkeldurr can´t switch in infinitely. Neither can the other 5 Pokemon of the opposing team switch infinitely against whatever opponent sends that beat Conkeldurr. And if you can´t counter infinitely whatever opponent sends against conkeldurr, you also can´t switch out conkeldurr to safety that often. Fourth, People say we should not benefit some styles over another. For instance, offense against stall. But from what I am seeing stall is still the most used strat in this community. It goes both ways. You can´t simply kill offense so people can just stall with their 6 Mons all the time they wish just because its the predominant style. Both styles need to be balanced, and so far, Stall is still superior to Offense (Btw, the argument where conk kills stall is completely useless because Togekiss is in the tier. And if that thing doesn´t absolutely utterly destroy most kinds of style, idk what it does) Fifth, conkeldurr can only have 1 or 2 at max, coverage moves. For some reason I can still not understand people claim Conkeldurr is able to beat 2 or 3 Pokemons of the opposing team just to reveal its scouting moves. I really don´t need to explain what is wrong about this. Unless of course conkeldurr is so busted and so broken that a single Move of them kills 2 Pokemons at once. Lastly, just wanted to mention all this wasn´t specifically directed to you in particular (Just quoted you because that funny little image, where from what I saw, that guy was using all the cool good mons without even thinking about synergy- Maybe besides arca) No, this is directed to everyone. If they disagree, feel free to disagree but at least gib me a valid reason for that.

Tbh, I believe some selling guys should be put in Drake´s room of Kanto E4. Now yes, that is an adventure.

I legit did in an earlier post.

And the bs award goes to. I said bold metagross was a counter. Metagross as a whole is a check. Please think before posting.

Just you wait until they confiscate your moneys you got after selling big nuggets to the mart.

Conkeldurr has 13 effective checks and some other more shaky ones. If the other 5 members of your team allow you to counter every single one of those 13 checks all the time, either you are a genius or your opponent is an idiot. First, I realize people are just assuming 100% they can counter whatever pokemon comes in front of conkeldurr all the time, so conkeldurr can come in over and over again. This is far from the truth, there are at least 13 great checks (IN OU), some other shaky checks, and even other checks under lower tiers. You can´t just assume you can counter every single one of those Pokemons every time because that won´t happen too often. Most likely, one of them (or several even) may find his way through the opponent team and make it unable to switch in anymore, and therefore making Conk lose its ability to come in over and over again. Second, the sole assumption people make of countering everything everywhere proves how stale this game has become. People don´t think anymore, they only care about countering countering countering. For god sake, this is a discussion about Conkeldurr, not a discussion about who helps conkeldurr countering all mons conk can´t beat, which are many as I said. If everything could be countered 100%, where would be the fun on that?

HA cofagrigus ofc

Fair enough, and I admit you are right there, but I legit made a post with 13 viable checks for conkeldurr. (Out of OU only) Some of those can counter with some scouting beforehand (As in switches or whatever) Lastly, if you watch the first 7 or 8 top used mons in OU, you realize none of them beat conkeldurr. This, in my opinion shows two things: Either conk is not troublesome enough for people to halt the usage of these mons, because if it really was, people would decrease their usage (Unless they like to lose) and 2: Shows that conk beats stall (Some type of stall actually). As an offensive player, I never had trouble with conkeldurr, and I use gigalith/ferrothorn often. OU is consisted in 39 Pokemons. The problem I see with conkeldurr is not that it beats the majority of them, but that it beats what people like to use more often. 1/3rd of the tier can potentially check it without trouble. If people stick to those 2/3rds that can´t all that time, and don´t even get a counter for it, then I assume they are literally asking Conk to rofltstomp them.

1- Cofa deals slightly better with pursuit trapping and the likes of scizor cuz wow and higher defense I think (Not sure) 2- Sadly Cofagrigus doesn´t possess in this game its HA, making it infintely weaker in this tier.