vsalinas005 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I like it, maybe Growleth could have 1% for 2 separate TMs or something? Wouldn't be impossible in theory, but I imagine it would be a pain to implement for coding purposes, I could also remove the ten percentile of held items since I had it there as a place holder and add a second 1% column. Just depends on what Desu and the devs can accomplish coding wise on top of what they've done for pokemon specifically so far. Robby 1 Link to comment
Darkshade Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 I like it, maybe Growleth could have 1% for 2 separate TMs or something? TM 1 - Focus Punch Machop Machoke TM 2 - Dragon Claw Dratini Dragonair TM3 - Water Pulse Goldeen Seaking Psyduck Golduck TM 4 - Calm Mind Drowzee Hypno TM 5 - Roar Growlithe TM 6 - Toxic Weezing Koffing Tentacool Tentacruel TM 7 - Hail Swinub Piloswine TM 8 - Bulk Up Heracross TM 9 - Bullet Seed Bellsprout Weepinbell TM 10 - Hidden Power Unown TM 11 - Sunny Day Vulpix TM 12 - Taunt Zubat Golbat TM 13 - Ice Beam Seel Dewgong TM 14 - Blizzard Delibird TM 15 - Hyper Beam Gyarados TM 16 - LightScreen Natu Xatu TM 17 - Protect Shellder Krabby Kingler TM 18 - Rain Dance Poliwag Poliwhirl Horsea Seadra TM 19 - Giga Drain Tangela TM 20 - Safeguard Chansey TM 21 - Frustration Rhyhorn Tauros TM 22 - Solar Beam Hoppip Skiploom TM 23 - Iron Tail Onix Steelix TM 24 - Thunderbolt Pichu Pikachu TM 25 - Thunder Elekid Electabuzz TM 26 - Earthquake Cubone Marowak TM 27 - Return Cleffa Clefairy TM 28 - Dig Diglett Dugtrio TM 29 - Psychic Abra Kadabra TM 30 - Shadow Ball Gastly Haunter TM 31 - Brick Break Mankey TM 32 - Double Team Rattata Raticate TM 33 - Reflect Wobbuffet TM 34 - Shockwave Magnemite Magneton TM 35 - Flamethrower Slugma TM 34 - Sludge Bomb Grimer Muk TM 37 - Sandstorm Sandshrew Sandslash Larvitar TM 38 - Fire Blast Houndour TM 39 - Rock Tomb Geodude Graveler TM 40 - Aerial Ace Spearow Fearow TM 41 - Torment Murkrow TM 42 - Facede Senret Furret TM 43 - Secret Power Jigglypuff TM 44 - Rest Slowpoke Slowbro TM 45 - Attract Smoochum Jynx TM 46 - Thief Meowth Persian TM 47 - Steel Wing Skarmory TM 48 - Skill Swap Ditto TM 49 - Snatch Sneasel TM 50 - Overheat Magmar We've already worked who holds what out. (Yes it does include Sevii island Pokemon) Link to comment
Fratley Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Earthquake should be on rarer pokemon than on both lists. Marowak is quite a common encounter on Victory Road. Link to comment
Metallica0118 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Earthquake should be on rarer pokemon than on both lists. Marowak is quite a common encounter on Victory Road. Maybe a Tauros in the safari zone. Makes sense to me at least. Link to comment
Darkshade Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Maybe a Tauros in the safari zone. Makes sense to me at least. That actually works very well. Although again, percentage rates include rarity also, but I'd be up for that. Link to comment
Fratley Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Maybe a Tauros in the safari zone. Makes sense to me at least. Yes, but 5% or 10% rate on a Tauros. Absolutely no way anybody is going to try and get those if theyre rarer than Lucky Eggs. I would just make an alt account. Link to comment
Darkshade Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Yes, but 5% or 10% rate on a Tauros. Absolutely no way anybody is going to try and get those if theyre rarer than Lucky Eggs. I would just make an alt account. This is true. Link to comment
vsalinas005 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Should I flat out remove the Double Team TM since its a banned move in a majority of Meta games? I'll move Earth quake from Marowak and think on what TM should replace it (Though I've only made everything hold a TM 1% chance across the board) in the long run, probably swap Tauros holding Double Team with Marowak's Earthquake.. Link to comment
Darkshade Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Should I flat out remove the Double Team TM since its a banned move in a majority of Meta games? I'll move Earth quake from Marowak and think on what TM should replace it (Though I've only made everything hold a TM 1% chance across the board) in the long run, probably swap Tauros holding Double Team with Marowak's Earthquake.. No, it's still a move and should therefore be included. Also Do a copy of both Tauros and Marowak and we'll have a vote? Link to comment
vsalinas005 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Sure, I'll just do it on the document spread sheet provided and place it at the bottom. EDIT: Readded the google docs link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmfXqI2KjpUFdEtmVnhDMlZfU3dqY3VKRlJtSTBSRmc Darkshade 1 Link to comment
Oikaze Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Took the TM list and re-ordered it so that they're in the order you obtain them ingame. Now all we have to is sepparate them into tiers (and possibly re-order some of them based on their usefullness). https://docs.google....X1Nlc2owSXpOd1E Link to comment
vsalinas005 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Took the TM list and re-ordered it so that they're in the order you obtain them ingame. Now all we have to is sepparate them into tiers (and possibly re-order some of them based on their usefullness). https://docs.google....X1Nlc2owSXpOd1E "Google Drive Error" There should be an option under share where you can allow anybody with access to the link itself to view without permission, just can't alter it. EDIT:Error is that I'm signed in and don't have permission to access the doc, then tells me to either request permission to access or to sign in a different account. Link to comment
Oikaze Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Sorry about that. Changed the settings, try it now. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3Y_y3CJZYSdENTU0Y1U0lkTExoX1Nlc2owSXpOd1E Link to comment
Oikaze Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just in case anyone is wondering, the TMs missing from my list are the ones that are renewable ingame, and as such, don't need this system to become renewable. Link to comment
vsalinas005 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 That looks like an excellent, Tier list, I'm imagining the bottom half is the "more common" TM portion and the upper end is the "Ultra Rare" tiers? Link to comment
Oikaze Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I'm imagining the bottom half is the "more common" TM portion and the upper end is the "Ultra Rare" tiers? Something like that, yes. We need to balance it so that using this method to aqquire tms is just slightly quicker than making an alternate account and getting them the normal way. So the ones at the bottom like the ones available at pewter and cerulan can be fairly common as it would only take a new account less than an hour to get them. The ones at the top like earthquake and fireblast should be rare enough that it would take you a few hours to farm one on average, as that's how long it will take to get it the conventional way. Link to comment
Robby Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Something like that, yes. We need to balance it so that using this method to aqquire tms is just slightly quicker than making an alternate account and getting them the normal way. So the ones at the bottom like the ones available at pewter and cerulan can be fairly common as it would only take a new account less than an hour to get them. The ones at the top like earthquake and fireblast should be rare enough that it would take you a few hours to farm one on average, as that's how long it will take to get it the conventional way. Will they be unlimited, or a cap per player? Link to comment
Strych Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Will they be unlimited, or a cap per player? Unlimited. A cap would defeat the purpose of the idea? Robby 1 Link to comment
Oikaze Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Unlimited. A cap would defeat the purpose of the idea? Exactly. The point of this suggestion is an alternative to creating a new account to farm tms. If you could only get one more copy of a tm via this method it would defeat the purpose entirely. Link to comment
Robby Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I love this idea, with it 100%. Link to comment
Fratley Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I love this suggestion so much. I want to have sex with it, and have lots of baby suggestions with it. Darkshade 1 Link to comment
Darkshade Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Sorry about that. Changed the settings, try it now. https://docs.google....X1Nlc2owSXpOd1E This is very helpful. Could we get estimate times on each? Then we need to take into account rarity of a Pokemon, and value of the TM. Link to comment
LightningChaser Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 this sounds like a great idea once all the pokemon are added! Link to comment
vsalinas005 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 This is very helpful. Could we get estimate times on each? Then we need to take into account rarity of a Pokemon, and value of the TM. My second draft is already up, complete with the Tauros/Marowak TM swaps and the to be voted on original TMs held as well. Link to comment
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