[Implemented] Implement XD gale of darkness move tutors.

[Matoka]

We will get hoenn eventually so there is no need to implement emerald move tutors here in kanto, HOWEVER, we will most likely (almost 100% sure) never get access to the Orre region, where several move tutors are available.

 

Unless directly added, Self destruct, Sky attack and Nightmare will not be available to some pokemon.

 

EDIT: Thread was locked and unlocked because OP was not entirely clear, The purpose of this suggestion is to allow ALL pokemon who could learn it through move tutor to be able to get it in Pokemmo, Some pokemon just cannot breed with a pokemon that can know the move, therefor making it impossible to chain breed to, Examples include but are not limited to:

 

Self destruct:Qwilfish, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Shellder, Cloyster, Lunatone.

 

Nightmare: Butterfree, Clefairy, Clefable, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Dunsparce, sneasel.

 

Sky attack: Aerodactyl, Crobat, Togetic.

[Sakura]

I'm pretty sure you can get these moves via breeding

[Kyu]

I'm pretty sure you can get these moves via breeding

Correct. XD Move Tutor moves can be inherited via Breeding from the Father.

[Matoka]

Correct. XD Move Tutor moves can be inherited via Breeding from the Father.

Only if there is a possible father that can know the move, however.

[AngryPyro]

I think this is a great idea, especially because my crobat is already EV trained and everything, it would take ages to get a new one with sky attack.

[iSmashbro]

I just want to go boom with my Magneton

[XelaKebert]

Only if there is a possible father that can know the move, however.

You can use bridges between species in order to teach Pokemon these moves, unless they can't breed period.

[AlbinoDrow]

You can use bridges between species in order to teach Pokemon these moves, unless they can't breed period.

Some moves are still missing outright though, and some bridges may be missing.

 

Brave Bird was introduced in 4th gen. Good Luck.

Sky attack: Aerodactyl, Crobat, Togetic.

 

Nightmare can only currently be learned by the Gengar line, or Hypno at lv. 0 (thus move-relearner) so its currently in the Amorphous and Human-Like egg groups (and field with smeargle). There are no bridges that can learn this, so it is unavailable outside of those egg groups.

Nightmare: Butterfree, Clefairy, Clefable, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Dunsparce, sneasel.

Dunsparce and Sneasel are in the Field egg group. They can possibly get it.

 

Ok I guess I'll do selfdestruct too...

Selfdestruct is learned by Geodude, Voltorb, Koffing, and Pineco. Thus Mineral, Amorphous, and Bug egg groups (plus Field for Smeargle). Wailmer is needed as a bridge to pass it into the Water 2 egg group (Quilfish). Seedot is needed to pass it into the Grass egg group (Exeggcute). Shellder is in the Water 3 egg group. There is no bridge to this with Selfdestruct.

Self destruct:Qwilfish, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Shellder, Cloyster, Lunatone.

Lunatone is in the mineral group. It can learn it.

(Also there is no bridge to the monster group. No selfdestructing snorlaxes possible)

 

Oh give me more egg chain questions.

[AngryPyro]

^ So you're saying that without the move tutors, certain pokemon still can't get it right? It was a bit hard understanding your post. Also, I still think its a good idea because there are other moves available through breeding but we still have move tutors (Rockslide for example.)

[Matoka]

I think this is a great idea, especially because my crobat is already EV trained and everything, it would take ages to get a new one with sky attack.

even if you wanted to get a new one, it is -IMPOSSIBLE- to get sky attack on crobat since its pre-evolutions cannotlearn it, therefore it cannot learn sky attack from breeding.

 

Some moves are still missing outright though, and some bridges may be missing.

 

Brave Bird was introduced in 4th gen. Good Luck.

Sky attack: Aerodactyl, Crobat, Togetic.

 

Nightmare can only currently be learned by the Gengar line, or Hypno at lv. 0 (thus move-relearner) so its currently in the Amorphous and Human-Like egg groups (and field with smeargle). There are no bridges that can learn this, so it is unavailable outside of those egg groups.

Nightmare: Butterfree, Clefairy, Clefable, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Dunsparce, sneasel.

Dunsparce and Sneasel are in the Field egg group. They can possibly get it.

 

Ok I guess I'll do selfdestruct too...

Selfdestruct is learned by Geodude, Voltorb, Koffing, and Pineco. Thus Mineral, Amorphous, and Bug egg groups (plus Field for Smeargle). Wailmer is needed as a bridge to pass it into the Water 2 egg group (Quilfish). Seedot is needed to pass it into the Grass egg group (Exeggcute). Shellder is in the Water 3 egg group. There is no bridge to this with Selfdestruct.

Self destruct:Qwilfish, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Shellder, Cloyster, Lunatone.

Lunatone is in the mineral group. It can learn it.

(Also there is no bridge to the monster group. No selfdestructing snorlaxes possible)

 

Oh give me more egg chain questions.

 

You cannot simply dismiss being able to get one move in gen 3 by saying we will get a new move in gen 4. that is not a valid reason to dismiss it since we will probably not get gen 4 for i'd say 2 years or more. Also Sky attack is an entirely different move. Its unfair to say they are one and the same.

 

Lunatone is genderless, as far i know it cannot breed with other pokemon to receive self destruct.

 

You say once we get Wailmer we can get qwilfish with self destruct right? No. Because wailmer cannot learn self destruct without the move tutor, So that would mean BOTH of them are unable to get it without the move tutor

 

in regards to nightmare, i missed that hypno can learn it so you are correct. however some pokemon STILL cannot learn it, Eg sneasel + dunsparce.

 

I will re-clarify the reason for this suggestion, To allow -ANY- pokemon that can learn it from move tutor to be able to get, Not just those lucky few who have egg move chains.

 

When i said "only if the father can learn the move" i literally meant "only if it can learn the move through any means possible", Including TM, Tutor, Breeding, Level up. Some pokemon just don't have the connections.

[Matoka]

Brave Bird was introduced in 4th gen. Good Luck.

Sky attack: Aerodactyl, Crobat, Togetic.

 

Sorry for double post however, it seems you thought Sky attack WAS brave bird, they are different, Sky attack is like solar beam, you charge up 1 turn then attack. Brave bird activates on the first turn but has high recoil.

 

Its like saying Solar beam and Double edge are identical :p

[AngryPyro]

Matoka you can get move tutor moves through breeding with the way breeding works in this game. And sneasel and dunsparce can learn nightmare if you use a male smeargle who has it.

[Matoka]

Matoka you can get move tutor moves through breeding with the way breeding works in this game. 

 

Yes, However only if the baby for of the pokemon can learn it, For instance Crobat can learn Sky attack through move tutor, But zubat cannot, so you cannot breed sky attack onto zubat. sadly.

[AlbinoDrow]

Sorry about the Sky Attack/Brave Bird thing, mixed up the two.

 

But Wailmer is in the Field and Water 2 Egg groups. So with a male smeargle it can learn it. So chain from Smeargle, to Wailmer, to Shellder.

 

I was trying to show whoever wanted to say "just use egg chains" that its still quite impossible for some Pokemon to learn the move. 2 in your nightmare list can learn it through smeargle, but there are simply no bridges for some of the moves. This also made me wonder about other pokemon now that we are relying completely on egg chains for better movesets.

 

I'll say it again:

Some moves are still missing outright though, and some bridges may be missing.

 

 

I like this idea, though I'd also like to see more move tutors. Make us trade specific items (like shards) for the better moves like how it was done in Emerald. Some tutors wanted a specific amount of shards, others BP. Heck maybe this could be part of the trainer tower reward system.

[XelaKebert]

 

I'll say it again:

Some moves are still missing outright though, and some bridges may be missing.

Then why should this be implemented? If some of the moves are missing or the bridges are missing, why is this needed in the meantime? All this amounts to is a temporary solution for learning moves that could be learned via breeding once the proper bridges are in place; with the exception of Snorlax being able to learn Selfdestruct.

 

Note: There were two ways to get Selfdestruct on Snorlax, one was the tutor in XD:Gale of Darkness and the other was catching a Munchlax on Winner's Path in HG/SS. The Winner's Path method was an event only way to catch a Munchlax with Selfdestruct, from there you could evolve it into Snorlax for breeding, and it is entirely possible that there will be a different way to teach Selfdestruct to Snorlax in the future.

[AngryPyro]

Then why should this be implemented? If some of the moves are missing or the bridges are missing, why is this needed in the meantime? All this amounts to is a temporary solution for learning moves that could be learned via breeding once the proper bridges are in place; with the exception of Snorlax being able to learn Selfdestruct.

 

Note: There were two ways to get Selfdestruct on Snorlax, one was the tutor in XD:Gale of Darkness and the other was catching a Munchlax on Winner's Path in HG/SS. The Winner's Path method was an event only way to catch a Munchlax with Selfdestruct, from there you could evolve it into Snorlax for breeding, and it is entirely possible that there will be a different way to teach Selfdestruct to Snorlax in the future.

 

Like I said before, there are other moves that can be learned through breeding chains and move tutors (rockslide). It doesn't have to be a temporary solution, it doesn't have to be removed when the bridges are brought into the game.

[Matoka]

Then why should this be implemented? If some of the moves are missing or the bridges are missing, why is this needed in the meantime? All this amounts to is a temporary solution for learning moves that could be learned via breeding once the proper bridges are in place; with the exception of Snorlax being able to learn Selfdestruct.

 

Note: There were two ways to get Selfdestruct on Snorlax, one was the tutor in XD:Gale of Darkness and the other was catching a Munchlax on Winner's Path in HG/SS. The Winner's Path method was an event only way to catch a Munchlax with Selfdestruct, from there you could evolve it into Snorlax for breeding, and it is entirely possible that there will be a different way to teach Selfdestruct to Snorlax in the future.

 

There are still SOME pokemon that will -NEVER- be able to learn them from breeding, LIke genderless pokemon who cannot inherit egg moves.

 

Also thank for pointing out Wailmer is in field... Muhahahh..  i will have fun with this ^-^

[guyverone]

Correct. XD Move Tutor moves can be inherited via Breeding from the Father.

 

Sky attack is one of several things that we learn via tutor and have no access to via breeding. Since it IS the signature of moltres and an acceptable thing not to have with no legendaries and all.

[Matoka]

Sky attack is one of several things that we learn via tutor and have no access to via breeding. Since it IS the signature of moltres and an acceptable thing not to have with no legendaries and all.

i hate to say this but your wrong, altaria learns sky attack so it will be available to breeding however some pokemon can only learn it in their final forms, so breeding isnt an option~

[guyverone]

i hate to say this but your wrong, altaria learns sky attack so it will be available to breeding however some pokemon can only learn it in their final forms, so breeding isnt an option~

 

Two years later..................

[XelaKebert]

There are still SOME pokemon that will -NEVER- be able to learn them from breeding, LIke genderless pokemon who cannot inherit egg moves.

 

Also thank for pointing out Wailmer is in field... Muhahahh..  i will have fun with this ^-^

Pokemon that are genderless were designed to not be able to breed in the first place. I see no issues with that. However, the only notable exception to this being a temporary solution is that Snorlax will still not be able to learn selfdestruct because of the two ways it can learn it were either in a side game or via event. However, the devs might be discussing a way to deal with that. You don't know, and I don't know. The thing is, once the proper chains are in to pass these egg moves, these moves could (in theory) be placed in the Move Relearner pool, thus removing any need for these tutors in the first place. That alone is reason enough to say that this is a temporary solution at best.

[Kababs]

Move Tudors are now kinda useless in some areas.

[AngryPyro]

The thing is, once the proper chains are in to pass these egg moves, these moves could (in theory) be placed in the Move Relearner pool, thus removing any need for these tutors in the first place. That alone is reason enough to say that this is a temporary solution at best.

 

Moves from breeding aren't placed in the move relearner pool, and shouldn't be because that depreciates the value of breeding.

[XelaKebert]

Moves from breeding aren't placed in the move relearner pool, and shouldn't be because that depreciates the value of breeding.

Either way, once the proper chains are in place there will be no need for this. It is a temporary solution.

[AngryPyro]

Either way, once the proper chains are in place there will be no need for this. It is a temporary solution.

 

Doesn't mean its a bad suggestion.