Robofiend Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 doesnt sneasel get icepunch + pursuit now though ? 40 base power move= 2stronk? Also it can't fuck with Torkoal Choice Band Sneasel Frustration vs. Torkoal: 91-108 (26.4 - 31.3%) -- 19% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery Link to comment
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OldKeith Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) 40 base power move= 2stronk? Banded Adamant Sneasel Pursuit: -vs Haunter (138.8% - 165.3%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Misdreavus (53.9% - 64.7%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Hypno (43.8% - 51%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Mr. Mime (58.5% - 70.7%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Grumpig (46% - 55.6%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Xatu (48.8% - 57%) Yep, it definitely sucks. Edited January 13, 2015 by OldKeith DrCraig 1 Link to comment
Robofiend Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Banded Adamant Sneasel Pursuit: -vs Haunter (138.8% - 165.3%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Misdreavus (53.9% - 64.7%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Hypno (43.8% - 51%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Mr. Mime (58.5% - 70.7%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Grumpig (46% - 55.6%) -vs 252 HP 252+ Def Xatu (48.8% - 57%) Yep, it definitely sucks. Are these switch or staying in calcs? Also all of these are UU. Where are your calcs for the ghosts and Psychics in NU? Link to comment
OldKeith Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Are these switch or staying in calcs? Also all of these are UU. Where are your calcs for the ghosts and Psychics in NU? Yeah they are for staying in. I could do NU calcs too if you really need, but I think it is quite obvious that Sneasel is pretty op right now. Ice Punch, Pursuit, Brick Break cover anything nicely. Edited January 13, 2015 by OldKeith Link to comment
felix Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yeah they are for staying in. I could do NU calcs too if you really need, but I think it is quite obvious that Sneasel is pretty op right now. Ice Punch, Pursuit, Brick Break cover anything nicely. but the fact that a poke can be used in UU means nothing when the talk is about how it will play in the NU tier, usually you don't provide calcs saying that sableye is good in UU if you want it banned from NU, you show calcs how it is strong in NU. Same thing about moving down, you provide calcs of it in the tier they want it moved to show how it is strong in that tier, not how it plays in the current tier. Robofiend 1 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) but the fact that a poke can be used in UU means nothing when the talk is about how it will play in the NU tier, usually you don't provide calcs saying that sableye is good in UU if you want it banned from NU, you show calcs how it is strong in NU. Same thing about moving down, you provide calcs of it in the tier they want it moved to show how it is strong in that tier, not how it plays in the current tier. Of course that is how it works. I only posted those calcs to show why Sableye is better and not worse with the update. But since you want the calcs, let's have some fun: Banded Adamant Sneasel 40BP Pursuit vs... Abra 312% - 368% Gastly 207.6% - 245.7% Duskull (max def) 56.7% - 67.7% Chimecho (max def) 48.8% - 57% Lunatone (max def) 48.6% - 58.8% - in case lunatone gets moved down Sableye (max def) staying in 25.5% - 30.6% Sableye (max def) switching out 49.7% - 59.9% Banded adamant Sneasel Ice Punch vs... Sableye (max def) 47.8% - 56.1% Pidgeot 136.7% - 160.8% Swalot (252 HP) 48.3% - 57% Edited January 13, 2015 by OldKeith RysPicz 1 Link to comment
felix Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Of course that is how it works. I only posted those calcs to show why Sableye is better and not worse with the update. But since you want the calcs, let's have some fun: Banded Adamant Sneasel 40BP Pursuit vs... Abra 312% - 368% Gastly 207.6% - 245.7% Duskull (max def) 56.7% - 67.7% Chimecho (max def) 48.8% - 57% Lunatone (max def) 48.6% - 58.8% - in case lunatone gets moved down Sableye (max def) staying in 25.5% - 30.6% Sableye (max def) switching out 49.7% - 59.9% Banded adamant Sneasel Ice Punch vs... Sableye (max def) 47.8% - 56.1% Pidgeot 136.7% - 160.8% Swalot (252 HP) 48.3% - 57% I'm not asking you to do anything. Robo said: how about Sneasel and you came out using calcs that have nothing to do with NU and saying that it should not be moved. I think Sneasel maybe be too much for NU, fast, strong, access to sd, can use choice band for more damage, access to Fake Out, Low Kick, Brick Break, Ice Punch, Pursuit I'm using 252Atk/Speed Jolly Sneasel with CB in my calcs here: 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Torkoal: 30-36 (16.9 - 20.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Torkoal: 25-30 (14.1 - 16.9%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Metang: 79-94 (47.3 - 56.2%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Metang: 50-59 (29.9 - 35.3%) -- 20.4% chance to 3HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 67-81 (42.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mawile: 56-68 (35.6 - 43.3%) -- 96.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Mawile Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sneasel: 160-192 (123 - 147.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wartortle: 44-52 (26.5 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO Besides that we are probably gonna see Torkoal everywhere, not many walls can stop Sneasel easily in NU, if you decide to not bring Torkoal and your opponent has Sneasel it is a GG. Edited January 13, 2015 by felix Robofiend 1 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm not asking you to do anything. Robo said: how about Sneasel and you came out using calcs that have nothing to do with NU and saying that it should not be moved. I think Sneasel maybe be too much for NU, fast, strong, access to sd, can use choice band for more damage, access to Fake Out, Low Kick, Brick Break, Ice Punch, Pursuit I'm using 252Atk/Speed Jolly Sneasel with CB in my calcs here: 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Torkoal: 30-36 (16.9 - 20.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Torkoal: 25-30 (14.1 - 16.9%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Metang: 79-94 (47.3 - 56.2%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Metang: 50-59 (29.9 - 35.3%) -- 20.4% chance to 3HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 67-81 (42.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mawile: 56-68 (35.6 - 43.3%) -- 96.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Mawile Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sneasel: 160-192 (123 - 147.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wartortle: 44-52 (26.5 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO Besides that we are probably gonna see Torkoal everywhere, not many walls can stop Sneasel easily in NU, if you decide to not bring Torkoal and your opponent has Sneasel it is a GG. Why jolly in NU? Pretty sure Adamant outspeeds everything else, beside itself in jolly version. Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Why jolly in NU? Pretty sure Adamant outspeeds everything else, beside itself in jolly version. Non existing Persian felix 1 Link to comment
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