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    How does my team look and what am i missing

    in Trash

    Posted

    Pikachu is a usable attacker in OU if you have Volt Tackle, but it's a total glass cannon and it can't break walls that well

    Gyarados is great, you just gotta know how to use it right

    Starmie is meh, wouldn't reccomend

    Chansey is a special wall/utility sponge, it doesn't stand up to physical attackers

    Arcanine is ok but its weakness to rock/ground (combined with the rest of your teams weakness to rock/ground) will hurt you

    Porygon2 is an ok special wall but it's mostly outclassed by Chansey. 

     

    My first piece of advice is swapping out P2 since Chansey does its job better. You'll want a physical wall of sorts, unless you'd rather just run an offensive core that works with Pika/Gyara. Unfortunately, since Pika has no resistances and dies to pretty much anything, it's going to be largely useless for you unless it's surrounded by walls that can force switches.

     

    The main problem I see from a teambuilding perspective is that Arcanine only does well on teams that feature heavily defensive cores, for instance, Ludicolo/Arcanine/Chansey. It won't provide you much utility as is against most top sweepers and your teams lack of a physical wall will hurt you. Aerodactyl, Gyarados and Flygon can just rip through your team once in play, and things like Agility Metagross will have an easy time ripping through your team if Arcanine dies. Arcanine is decent for checking CB Metagross or Heracross, but it hates EQ from either and doesn't have the bulk of other physical walls. Weezing is a good partner for Chansey, as is Skarmory, to some degree. Even Forretress could work here. 

     

    While losing Starmie's Rapid Spin will hurt, it's just too risky since you have no way of beating Chansey. Gyara struggles to swap in, as does Pika, and neither threatens Chansey that much. So one option would be to gear your team for defense and get a Venusaur that can come in on anything Chansey does and Leech Seed it, or to run other walls like Skarm/Clops or something to rack up residual damage. Metagross is great at beating Chansey and can pair up with Arcanine well, but then you'll definitely want something to sponge Physical water attacks and Earthquakes, something your team currently doesn't have much of.

     

    I'd highly recommend ditching Pikachu to be totally honest.

     

    Last a quote from me some long time ago: "the best way to lose battles is to cling to a pokemon that underperforms in battle". You may feel like Pikachu is your baby now, but after 10 consecutive losses you may have a change of heart.

    [OU Discussion] Chansey (Remains OU)

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    I think that soon Zangoose and Crobat will be moved to UU anyway due to usage. But back on topic

     

    I can't agree with that. Not at all. With Metagross and Chansey being in 50% of the teams (give us usage stats to see how far I am from the truth), and like 30% going for pokes like Slowbro/ Arcanine/ Weez (forming awesome defensive core with Chansey), I simply cannot agree. I keep seeing same pokes over and over. It's not interesting to see the same pokes all the time. I don't see many innovative sets or low-usage pokes being used more often.

     

    The tier is BORING and it's because of the fat pink blob, that's how I see it.

     

    Yeah, I definitely agree that Chansey makes things boring. There's a reason this thread has stayed open so long, though, and it's because usage stats haven't materialized for us in ages to test our theories and because a potential ban is still on the table. When I say that the tier is diverse, I mean it's better than anything we've had before since the split- no 60% Gengar, no 60% Curselax, etc. People do use odd pokemon here and there, like Blaziken, Charizard, and CB Swampert, however. 

     

    I think your issue is similar to JJ's thread about how people breed safe, boring pokemon instead of innovate because the cost of innovation is so much higher than just playing it safe. It's way easier to rip off someone else's team than it is to say "Fuck it, I'm breeding SubPunch Zard, Trapinch, Trick Zam instead of wall Arcanine" because there's the risk that these pokemon are not going to be as useful as 

     

    I will say one thing: I'm coming back around to the idea of banning Chansey, in part because of the community's input, but I still find it rather troubling. First, being boring =/= being banworthy yada yada. Second, I'm not sure if banning Chansey would help that much. Umbreon, Gardevoir, and Vaporeon can still perform a similar role on teams, though not without Heal Bell. Without Chansey, Toxic stall can kill many specially defensive pokemon and Special Kingdra is pretty hard to stop without Ludicolo or Vaporeon, both of whom are harder to swap into. While there are options here, I like Chansey because it also allows for offensive teams to have some confidence against random special threats and status-stall that would otherwise take 2 walls to deal with.

     

    Londar ninja'd me on that. I'd like to keep complaints about the game (e.g. not complaints about the metagame, but complaints about how hard it is to grind for everything) out of this thread to avoid a derail. 

    [OU Discussion] Chansey (Remains OU)

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    So it's confirmed, the tier council went on vacation. They can't even come to a decision to close this thread, or push UU tournaments to make a decision on Scizor, or bring up any sort of conversation regarding NU.

     

    Let me ask this, does the tier council believe the tiers are now stable and healthy, or are any decisions being postponed because we have an upcoming update which will alter tiering as is (for example, introduction of legendaries)? 

     

    We're waiting on Scizor in UU and not really sure what to do about Chansey in OU. There are lots of mixed opinions here about what the best way to proceed is. We have updated usage that applies to Chansey in particular, but I believe it's still classified until we get UU usage. We also have been discussing some mechanics changes with staff to make sure that nothing breaks the game there.

     

    As for NU, no one has bothered to post in the NU Tier Discussion Thread since Christmas, so I'm not sure what you want here. We've internally talked a little bit about Zangoose and Lapras but since we haven't had any complaints from the community we've agreed to sit back and let the tier develop some more. Every time I play NU I feel the game is balanced, diverse, and interesting, so I'm personally not highly interested in pushing for more bans, although maybe pokemon like Zangoose and Lapras deserve some public discussion.

     

    I like that NU is a really offensive tier where stall can still thrive. 

     

    I left the council to see it become more active and to see it function better. I felt I was a hindrance to this because I was opposing a lot of opinions and beliefs by seasoned members like Robofiend and Burntzebra, which led to a lack of uniformity that prevented decisions from being made. Since I've left, there really hasn't been anything done at all and this is frustrating to me. 

     

    Well technically nothing has been done since we re-organized the TC structure into a supergroup instead of a bunch of warring factions. Your leaving was coincidental. If you recall, slowing down the process was a highly intended consequence of this, because in the past, various sub-councils had moved too hastily in making decisions. We all still disagree on pretty much everything and it's hard to get everyone to come around to vote on things (it also hurts that we lost Noad). 

     

    I personally don't see what the issue is: OU is more interesting than it has been in months, UU is stalled as you would expect, NU is pretty enjoyable.

    OU Viability Thread

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    Sub punch charizard isn't really worth running as it loses to arcanine and doesn't really stop chansey the same way drum zard does. Wish jolteon supports guts pokemon so well that switching in chansey vs jolteon is a risky game unless you magically found an ursaring counter. 

     

    Edit:

    starmies also don't have to be 252 special attack/252 speed if they're outspeeding charizard. I know a lot of starmies that just aim to outspeed base 100s, then maximizes hp, then puts the rest into special attack, which still beats charizard while being able to spin vs everything else. 

     

    Right, but Zard does destroy wall-heavy teams, especially if you find a way to neuter their sweeper support early enough. I'm not saying it's A+, but that it does have a niche and plenty of options to stay threatening despite the opponent's team.

    OU Viability Thread

    in Competition Archive

    Posted · Edited by Robofiend

    jolly max speed+3 attack coverage. I don't see it as that threatening just because of how most people run 1-3 things that are faster than 167. Jolteon is becoming rather common now as a wish user, along with the defensive gyarados set, which walls the official gladiator set that lacks thunderpunch. Aerodactyl sees a lot of usage as well. Espeon+alakazam sets are getting more usage as people have realized how ridiculously powerful they are. Starmie is also seen a lot, and is somethings hard to figure out how fast it is, unless you just want to gamble on losing your charizard before you kill a mon. 

     

    But it's not just the Gladiator set.

     

    Sub Punch sets are great for catching Aerodactyl with Tpunch and Charizard's weaknesses to Rock and Water (and Electric) can be mitigated by other offensive teammates. Other pokes like Jolteon and Starmie are great at revenge-killing but can be played around to some degree, especially since Chansey is so common, and full offensive Starmies are kinda rare.

     

    I've got Zard listed at B+ - it's not a meta-defining pokemon, but with the right teammates it can successfully fill its niche as a jack-of-all trades attacker and wallbreaker.

    OU Viability Thread

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    Breloom is questionable anyway - Weezing's a nearly perfect check to CB sets and Metagross resists at least two of its attacks well enough to swap in. Not to mention that Gyarados, Arcanine, Heracross and a bunch of other offensive pokes can switch in on it. If no one's going to contest JJ's ranks, I'll just use those.

    OU Viability Thread

    in Competition Archive

    Posted · Edited by Robofiend

    We'll start Miltank at B and then see what happens - maybe it'll become more viable with time. Rhydon can go B+ for now.

     

    EDIT:

     

    I'd like to hear thoughts on Blaziken, Swampert, Flygon and Weezing.

     

    I think each deserves a boost, but maybe not. All of them seem to have useful niches. For example: Blaziken can't get Wisp'd by the common Weezing, Swampert with CB has great coverage, Flygon is a common way to cover up some of Metagross/Arcanine's weaknesses. Weezing is also pretty solid as it can't get worn down by Chansey, has a couple useful resistances, and it's super highly used. 

     

    Others like Venusaur and Sceptile may also deserve some love.

    The Pokemon Showdown Thread

    in Competition Alley

    Posted

    Shouldn't struggle too much vs stall with energy ball cm magic guard reuniclus, unless they're running mandibuzz which could probably be a problem. My 3 stall teams would all hate to play that reuniclus set though, since I don't really like mandibuzz in UU much

     

    Well there are a couple other things that can be a problem. It doesn't like Steel types and also struggles against Sableye. Whimsicott is pretty solid too, since it can Encore me into submission, but Crobat, & Arcanine are there to keep any of them from being too threatening. Mandi isn't scary at all to me since Cobalion can abuse Foul Play/Toxic, altho it'd be nice to have a fairy to deal with it.

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